So if Duchene doesn't resign with Columbus, does conditional pick become a 2nd rounder or something?

If it's nothing, that kinda sucks
- Trilla

It's nothing.

There was an Uber Colorado video, who knew?!

Seriously though, Duchene has been nothing but professional since coming to Ottawa. He was the only guy to take responsibility for the video publicly and privately (video the day after the release of him on the ice with the coach apologizing).

To pretend players don’t talk about coaches in a negative fashion from time to time is absurd. Happens all the time. Just like a regular person complaining about inefficiencies in the workplace.

The cause of the teams failures are far from Duchene and Uber-gate.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Voracek came to their defense for God's sake, they all do it.

It just suckkkkks that the sens were the ones exposed.

It just added to the colossal mess we've been dealing with the last two seasons

It's nothing.
- BINGO!

That actually sucks.

Don't like the move despite some positivity from others

That actually sucks.

Don't like the move despite some positivity from others
- Trilla

Agreed.

I think you got a mid-late 1st and two guys that probably never see the NHL for Duchene.

That actually sucks.

Don't like the move despite some positivity from others
- Trilla

They got a 1st rounder and 2 C+/B- prospects for a guy they were going to lose in a month and a half. That's not too shabby. Not terrible, not great.

Who are we talking about here? Abramov played in the Q, and everybody knows that the Q gives inflated offensive stats

http://www.hockeydb.com/i...s/pdisplay.php?pid=186189
- Horus1927

I said O, meant Q

Inflated, maybe, but 100 point seasons and 40-50 goal seasons are still a pretty good sign

Based on the Duchene deal.

To OTT: Nik Petan, 2019 1st round pick, Mathieu Perreauly, Conditional 2020 1st round pick

To WPG: Mark Stone
- TheUltimateJet

That’s worse than the duchene deal, and Stone is a better player.

Pass

That actually sucks.

Don't like the move despite some positivity from others
- Trilla

Duchene is the best player in the deal but it’s the best deal you could probably hope for given the circumstances. Would you rather get what they got or let him walk like Tavares did?

I hate trying to find the positive in the negative, but that is all we can do right now.

I said O, meant Q

Inflated, maybe, but 100 point seasons and 40-50 goal seasons are still a pretty good sign
- sensarmy_11

That was my concern too. Junior stats you have to take with a grain of salt. I’m not sold on this guy being a huge piece, but it sounds like the potential is there. I always take Russian prospects as hit or miss. Would be interesting to read where scouts place him in relevance to the existing Sens prospects.

I respect that Columbus is at least willing to take a shot at success. No matter what, they are probably going to lose Panarin and Bob next year...knowing thay Panarin most likely already has an idea of where he wants to go, BJs don't have enough leverage to walk away with a fair deal...even if they have to start fresh next year, Columbus deserves a team that can make it passed the first round for once in their history...plus, look at NYI...they lost their franchise player and are now playing the best hockey they have in years...good luck to the new Dark Horse.

A third line center with five more years at a $6 mil clip? I think the Sens are happy to not be fronting that bill.

But man oh man that 1st round pick hurts. At least the return on the EK deal so far hasn’t come around to bite them the way that most expected at the time of the deal.
- TommyHawk

I agree...... let's see how it plays out. Hope Sens go on a run - maybe that's what happens with these young kids coming up

Sens need players coming back with stone + Dzingel to help the young kids develop and get the sens out of the basement

So here's a far-fetched question:

What if CBJ misses the playoffs and the pick becomes top 3? Its protected, but does that then mean they get a 2020 1st instead? What if Duchene also signs, would they then get another 2021 1st?

I know, I know, pie-in-the-sky wishful thinking.

Sens need players coming back with stone + Dzingel to help the young kids develop and get the sens out of the basement
- AlfieisKing

You'd have to assume that to be the case, but that would be hilarious.

Duchene is the best player in the deal but it’s the best deal you could probably hope for given the circumstances. Would you rather get what they got or let him walk like Tavares did?

I hate trying to find the positive in the negative, but that is all we can do right now.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

If that was the best move available, then wait it out.

There are some legit cup contenders out there that could get desperate on deadline day.

To me, it seems that Dorion has too many UFA's to focus on, and the Duchene deal was the best deal Currently presented to him until this point.

So here's a far-fetched question:

What if CBJ misses the playoffs and the pick becomes top 3? Its protected, but does that then mean they get a 2020 1st instead? What if Duchene also signs, would they then get another 2021 1st?

I know, I know, pie-in-the-sky wishful thinking.
- sportsdataguy

Ya, we get 2020 1st if they land in 3

And if he re-signs conditional becomes 1st rounder for 2021

So here's a far-fetched question:
What if CBJ misses the playoffs and the pick becomes top 3? Its protected, but does that then mean they get a 2020 1st instead? What if Duchene also signs, would they then get another 2021 1st?
- sportsdataguy

My understanding is that this is exactly what would happen - deferring the guaranteed 1st round pick to 2020 would also defer the conditional 1st round pick to 2021.


As per capfriendly:
https://www.capfriendly.com/draft/2019&pick=19

Ottawa Senators Acquire:
Vitaly Abramov
Jonathan Davidsson
2019 conditional 1st round pick* (CBJ)
2020 conditional 1st round pick** (CBJ)
*Conditions: If the pick is top 3, the Senators will receive Columbus' 2020 1st round selection instead.
**Conditions: If Duchene re-signs with the Blue Jackets, Ottawa will receive Columbus' 2020 1st round pick. (If the 2019 pick moves to 2020 as a result of the lottery and Duchene signs with Columbus, the 2020 conditional pick would then move to 2021). If Duchene does not re-sign with Columbus, no pick is exchanged.

Ya, we get 2020 1st if they land in 3

And if he re-signs conditional becomes 1st rounder for 2021
- Trilla

Well then, tank and sign Duchene! He had a miserable transition for us when we acquired him, maybe the jinx can work again! Lol

I really dislike them trading Duchene, but I'm not sure they were going to do substantially better with this deal. Some people are clearly pretty unfamiliar with both Abramov and Davidsson, but Abramov in particular is a quality prospect (making the NHL top-50 list). Davidsson may have potential as a supporting winger, but will depend on how he transitions from the SEL.

https://lastwordonhockey....s-blue-jackets-prospects/

https://www.habseyesonthe...eport-rankings-highlights

Clearly having a 1st round pick in the coming draft is key, and Columbus seems unlikely at his point to crack the top-10 in league standings. The deal becomes substantially better if Duchene re-signs with Columbus, but that will likely depend on how well Duchene fits in, and can handle Tortorella.

Alternatively, it would be great if Duchene signed in Ottawa... but that seems more than a bit unlikely.

I really dislike them trading Duchene, but I'm not sure they were going to do substantially better with this deal. Some people are clearly pretty unfamiliar with both Abramov and Davidsson, but Abramov in particular is a quality prospect (making the NHL top-50 list). Davidsson may have potential as a supporting winger, but will depend on how he transitions from the SEL.

https://lastwordonhockey....s-blue-jackets-prospects/

https://www.habseyesonthe...eport-rankings-highlights

Clearly having a 1st round pick in the coming draft is key, and Columbus seems unlikely at his point to crack the top-10 in league standings. The deal becomes substantially better if Duchene re-signs with Columbus, but that will likely depend on how well Duchene fits in, and can handle Tortorella.

Alternatively, it would be great if Duchene signed in Ottawa... but that seems more than a bit unlikely.
- khawk

Abramov is just Sergei Tolchinsky.

The Hockey News Future Watch didn't have him in the top 100 in 2019 or 2018 and they have him as Columbus's 5th best prospect.

Davidsson isn't even in their top 10.

So if Duchene doesn't resign with Columbus, does conditional pick become a 2nd rounder or something?

If it's nothing, that kinda sucks
- Trilla

Agree, that's what it SHOULD be

This russian better be GREAT

Agree, that's what it SHOULD be

This russian better be GREAT
- AlfieisKing

Yes, and with our track record with Russian players, the future's looking bright...

If bright means eternal darkness

If that was the best move available, then wait it out.

There are some legit cup contenders out there that could get desperate on deadline day.

To me, it seems that Dorion has too many UFA's to focus on, and the Duchene deal was the best deal Currently presented to him until this point.
- Trilla

But the 1st rounder likely becomes weaker as in lower in the draft, if you trade with higher contender. I hate the deal just looking at it as we don’t have a play of Duchene’s quality coming back, but if he is going to be walking from Ottawa in the summer, I’m ok with this. Again, it’s looking at the positive in the negative.

Will be interesting to see what Stone gets. Likely pretty similar. I agree Dorion is in over his head. Should have more sorted out before now.

But the 1st rounder likely becomes weaker as in lower in the draft, if you trade with higher contender. I hate the deal just looking at it as we don’t have a play of Duchene’s quality coming back, but if he is going to be walking from Ottawa in the summer, I’m ok with this. Again, it’s looking at the positive in the negative.

Will be interesting to see what Stone gets. Likely pretty similar. I agree Dorion is in over his head. Should have more sorted out before now.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

I'd rather have a lower pick and prospects we can be excited about rather than a middling pick in a weak draft and prospects I've never heard of (until now).

Again, Dorion should've gotten a feel for his UFA's sooner rather than clutter everyone 4 days before the deadline.

Im sure if we traded Duchene to the Sharks they could've flipped him and got a better deal!

Deal!
- jmatchett383