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EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Jan 14 @ 2:14 PM ET
These D pairs are frustrating. Why have 2 young defenders playing on their opposite side when it makes sense to just swap them on the lineup card. Jokiharju should play RHD with a solid partner in Keith and Gustafsson should play LHD in sheltered ES minutes with Seabrook.
- AEL_Fox



It is an adjustment, but a guy with the skill and IQ of Jokiharju...he's definitely played his off side previously and shouldn't be an issue. For a guy with mobility issues like Seabrook, he should NOT play his off wing bc it requires more 360 movement to accept passes and adjust your body to make plays with the puck.. Young high skill/skater like Jokiharju..it will only help him to have the off-side experience. My gripe is that Jokiharju only played 12minutes last game. Yes, he got out-muscled by Tuch on their goal, but Alex Tuch is a beast that would do that to many defenseman bigger and older than Joki. Let the kid play and develop. There's no reason that Collitan should be shortening the bench in a development season like this.
GPHawksfan
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: AB
Joined: 01.26.2018

Jan 14 @ 2:20 PM ET
Right he is terrible I said that at the beginning of the year when Q the goalie shouter continued to roll him out ,and refused to play the better goalie at the time Forsberg .It is idiotic to play Ward over Forsberg at this point ,kind of like playing Kunitz over young players .. Wave him do what ever it takes bar moving any prospect or picks to get rid of him .I said EDM because they are crazy enough to bite on just about anything . Tor is getting both their goalie back as of today .
- oldduffman

No movement clause means you can't waive him. What part of this do you not understand? I'm not sure you know anything at all about hockey or this team except everything was all Quenville's fault. You're probably one of the people on here that posted the hawks would have 8 cups if Q wasn't the coach.
GPHawksfan
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: AB
Joined: 01.26.2018

Jan 14 @ 2:21 PM ET
Trouble with Ward is with an over 35 contract and an NMC all they can do with him is healthy scratch him. He cant go to Rockford, and Rockford needs two goalies.
- Return of the Roar

He doesn't understand what MNC means. Or anything else for that matter. He's a broken record.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Jan 14 @ 2:25 PM ET
These D pairs are frustrating. Why have 2 young defenders playing on their opposite side when it makes sense to just swap them on the lineup card. Jokiharju should play RHD with a solid partner in Keith and Gustafsson should play LHD in sheltered ES minutes with Seabrook.
- AEL_Fox


Maybe there's a bigger picture? Why not have any defender learn to play either side and more importanly be comfortable on either side? That gives a coach all kinds of options in all situations. What if it didn't matter who the coach threw out in a certain situation? Two lefties on the PP, two righties on the pk, two lefties to shutdown a line or even a righty and a lefty together? Also what if a coach is thinking beyond the linear way most teams play and wants to introduce a fluid attack where position on the ice isn't as relevant as it is now? The Soviets would use this strategy with the defense and forwards when the opposition employed zone defenses. I'm sure the Hawk coaches have explained what they are trying to do with the players.


DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jan 14 @ 2:26 PM ET
Get on the phones Stanley!



EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Jan 14 @ 2:28 PM ET
Get on the phones Stanley!



- DarthKane



Saad for Nurse
Newgod77
Boston Bruins
Location: IL
Joined: 05.10.2015

Jan 14 @ 2:31 PM ET
Great OT coaching. Winning faceoff only to have your 2 best offensive players skate around center ice for 40 seconds and go for a change.
Beaver-Warrior
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: in my great and unmatched wisdom
Joined: 07.28.2011

Jan 14 @ 2:32 PM ET
All lines and pairings are the same, but Ward starts. I kind of figured that.

DeBrincat — Toews — Kahun

Anisimov — Strome — Kane

Saad — Kampf — Caggiula

Kunitz — Kruger — Hayden

Keith — Gustafsson

Jokiharju — Seabrook

Dahlstrom — Murphy

Ward

Delia

- I Am The Breadman


A fourth line for the ages.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Jan 14 @ 2:33 PM ET
It is an adjustment, but a guy with the skill and IQ of Jokiharju...he's definitely played his off side previously and shouldn't be an issue. For a guy with mobility issues like Seabrook, he should NOT play his off wing bc it requires more 360 movement to accept passes and adjust your body to make plays with the puck.. Young high skill/skater like Jokiharju..it will only help him to have the off-side experience. My gripe is that Jokiharju only played 12minutes last game. Yes, he got out-muscled by Tuch on their goal, but Alex Tuch is a beast that would do that to many defenseman bigger and older than Joki. Let the kid play and develop. There's no reason that Collitan should be shortening the bench in a development season like this.
- EnzoD


While you have a point you also have to factor in the business side of this. Imagine selling a guy tickets for $500 a pop (or whatever the cost) and say we're here to develop? Chicago and anywhere isn't like Toronto where not only would fans pay to see you and I play, they'd buy our jersey from the sports store.
matt_ahrens
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: San Carlos, CA
Joined: 06.30.2014

Jan 14 @ 2:33 PM ET
Hey TC, how did you come up with the Justin Lowe moniker? Is there a story?
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Jan 14 @ 2:34 PM ET
Great OT coaching. Winning faceoff only to have your 2 best offensive players skate around center ice for 40 seconds and go for a change.
- Newgod77



17 SECONDS!!!!!
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Jan 14 @ 2:37 PM ET
I got this from SCH, and I don't see Koekkoek, so it could be wrong. If it is, don't shoot the messenger. I do agree with your complaints in general about JC.
- I Am The Breadman

No worries, I knew were just the messenger!

Once Koekkoek arrives, I'd expect Dahlstrom to sit even though I would rather not.

Watch, Jokiharju will get the healthy scratch. Sort of kidding but sort of not, unfortunately the way Colliton doles out TOI.
EbonyRaptor
Joined: 03.28.2013

Jan 14 @ 2:38 PM ET
I don't have a problem with playing Joki on his off side because the objective at this point should be to build for the future and if Joki shows he can play either side equally well that would be a good thing to know when constructing the 2019/20 team.

The mindset should be geared to the future, not trying to squeeze out wins this season.
bhawks2241
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.17.2013

Jan 14 @ 2:40 PM ET
No worries, I knew were just the messenger!

Once Koekkoek arrives, I'd expect Dahlstrom to sit even though I would rather not.

Watch, Jokiharju will get the healthy scratch. Sort of kidding but sort of not, unfortunately the way Colliton doles out TOI.

- AEL_Fox



Some of the shine has worn off Dahlstrom a bit. Muprhy has covered for his mistakes quiet a few time the last 3-4 games. Think this speaks to how well Murphy is playing.

He is more a bottom pairing guy. I also think opposing teams are realizing that you can beat Dahlstrom wide b/c he isn't the fastest skater, and then out muscle him to the front of the net, despite him being a bigger defenseman.
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

Jan 14 @ 2:41 PM ET
A fourth line for the ages.
- Beaver-Warrior


I really don’t get why Kunitz is playing.
I Am The Breadman
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Richton Park, IL
Joined: 09.16.2018

Jan 14 @ 2:42 PM ET
No worries, I knew were just the messenger!

Once Koekkoek arrives, I'd expect Dahlstrom to sit even though I would rather not.

Watch, Jokiharju will get the healthy scratch. Sort of kidding but sort of not, unfortunately the way Colliton doles out TOI.

- AEL_Fox


Okay, just clearing myself of the head biting, haha.

Dahl had a bad game, so he's safe in JC's eyes. I laughed at your Joki comment ... and agreed.
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jan 14 @ 2:44 PM ET
Great OT coaching. Winning faceoff only to have your 2 best offensive players skate around center ice for 40 seconds and go for a change.
- Newgod77

It's the way OT is played these days - get possession, don't give it up, don't be aggressive, wait for the defense to make a mistake.

The problem was (IIRC) that the wrong guy shot the puck - Keith.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Jan 14 @ 2:46 PM ET
Some of the shine has worn off Dahlstrom a bit. Muprhy has covered for his mistakes quiet a few time the last 3-4 games. Think this speaks to how well Murphy is playing.

He is more a bottom pairing guy. I also think opposing teams are realizing that you can beat Dahlstrom wide b/c he isn't the fastest skater, and then out muscle him to the front of the net, despite him being a bigger defenseman.

- bhawks2241

Its his first year at the NHL level. Of course he is going to have some down periods. Its a process.
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

Jan 14 @ 2:46 PM ET
All lines and pairings are the same, but Ward starts. I kind of figured that.

DeBrincat — Toews — Kahun

Anisimov — Strome — Kane

Saad — Kampf — Caggiula

Kunitz — Kruger — Hayden

Keith — Gustafsson

Jokiharju — Seabrook

Dahlstrom — Murphy

Ward

Delia

- I Am The Breadman


Per Lazerus:

Slater Koekkoek could make his debut tonight. Jeremy Colliton said they were still weighing lineup options. Kunitz and Hayden were on the ice late (usually a sign of a scratch), but Colliton wouldn't commit to that, either. Blackhawks didn't skate lines, either. #subterfuge
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Jan 14 @ 2:46 PM ET
It is an adjustment, but a guy with the skill and IQ of Jokiharju...he's definitely played his off side previously and shouldn't be an issue. For a guy with mobility issues like Seabrook, he should NOT play his off wing bc it requires more 360 movement to accept passes and adjust your body to make plays with the puck.. Young high skill/skater like Jokiharju..it will only help him to have the off-side experience. My gripe is that Jokiharju only played 12minutes last game. Yes, he got out-muscled by Tuch on their goal, but Alex Tuch is a beast that would do that to many defenseman bigger and older than Joki. Let the kid play and develop. There's no reason that Collitan should be shortening the bench in a development season like this.
- EnzoD

Agree that the TOI allocation could be better, especially for Jokiharju.
Beaver-Warrior
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: in my great and unmatched wisdom
Joined: 07.28.2011

Jan 14 @ 2:47 PM ET
I really don’t get why Kunitz is playing.
- walleyeb1


Especially with Hayden in the lineup. One or the other, not both.
EbonyRaptor
Joined: 03.28.2013

Jan 14 @ 2:47 PM ET
As for playing Gustafsson on his offside - maybe it's more about playing him with Keith to give him more TOI and scoring opportunities to showcase him for a TDL deal. He certainly has good offensive skills but he is still bad in the d-zone. If the plan is to have Boqvist make the team next season - how many good offense but not so good defense guys can we have in the lineup when we're trying to win again? We don't know if Boqvist will end up being a better defender than Gustafsson but he probably won't be a good defender as a skinny 19 year old next season. I'm in favor of trading Gustafsson if Stan can get a decent return for him - sell high. Boqvist will be at least as good offensively as Gustafsson. The hope is he'll eventually be a lot better defensively.
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Jan 14 @ 2:50 PM ET
Maybe there's a bigger picture? Why not have any defender learn to play either side and more importanly be comfortable on either side? That gives a coach all kinds of options in all situations. What if it didn't matter who the coach threw out in a certain situation? Two lefties on the PP, two righties on the pk, two lefties to shutdown a line or even a righty and a lefty together? Also what if a coach is thinking beyond the linear way most teams play and wants to introduce a fluid attack where position on the ice isn't as relevant as it is now? The Soviets would use this strategy with the defense and forwards when the opposition employed zone defenses. I'm sure the Hawk coaches have explained what they are trying to do with the players.
- paulr

Fair enough. If the reasoning is for developmental purposes towards versatility, then I'm all for it. It's just frustrating to shake up the D pairs when they really don't need to be shaken up.
oldduffman
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.06.2013

Jan 14 @ 2:50 PM ET
No movement clause means you can't waive him. What part of this do you not understand? I'm not sure you know anything at all about hockey or this team except everything was all Quenville's fault. You're probably one of the people on here that posted the hawks would have 8 cups if Q wasn't the coach.
- GPHawksfan

Your a Richard why don't you Puck off
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Jan 14 @ 2:51 PM ET
I really don’t get why Kunitz is playing.
- walleyeb1

Cause Perlini sucks?
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