anybody have thoughts on a fantasy trade from JJ Kane to Avs for first round pick OTT and prospect Makar and Tysone Barrie
- Count Caggula

Possibly have the 1st two picks in the Draft . Add 1 more 1st in 2020 and we may have something . Wonder if they would wait till after the Lottery ..

anybody have thoughts on a fantasy trade from JJ Kane to Avs for first round pick OTT and prospect Makar and Tysone Barrie
- Count Caggula

no way to that... Kane is the only reason why to watch this team.

That is the thing though. His play on the ice had yet to match what Kruger was doing at a younger age. Sure, he is bigger a bit, but Kruger was much more effective defensively and provided just as much offensive capability on the 4th line.
- breadbag

Nah. Kampf is just as effective if not more so since he has size and speed. He wins draw flips ice and doesn't get scored on.

Also a guy that was meh in the ozone that took a full year to figure it out and misplaced sometimes higher in the line up.

Same skill set on a better athelete = upgrade.

His defensive numbers are quite good.

The offensive side isnt there yet but a bigger stronger faster more skilled version of Kruger a few years back is I think what they have here. Definitely a useful player to have around.
- fattybeef

With you on Kampf Mr. Beef. He's an ideal 4th line center/winger with his speed, tenacity, checking, and he can create some offense. He's all Swedish, no Finish, but he's had how many breakaways already this year?? Not easy to do in the NHL....I like his game and he's definitely not a bad player...just playing higher in the lineup than he should due to the lack of team depth.

no way to that... Kane is the only reason why to watch this team.
- BGKarras

Who else will play 28 minutes and have 5 point nights?

Besides, we have a decent shot at the first overall without anybody's help.

no way to that... Kane is the only reason why to watch this team.
- BGKarras

They should get 3 1sts and 15.0M cash in addition to the prospects.

All you need to know about Kampf is available on Youtube when Bergeron stripped him on the breakaway in the outdoor game and then deposited the biscuit into the Hawks net at the other end. Thats the difference between a real player and a journeyman/career AHL'er.
- RickJ

Ummm to be far it was Bergeron who stripped him. One of the best 2 way players in the last 20 years.

We have seen Toews do that to many legit NHL players. Soooo not sure how you draw a conclusion based on that. Kampf is an NHL player. He would be a solid 4th line PK guy on a championship team.

The Hawks aren't going to have the luxury of a 20 goal guy on the 4th line ala Frolik. That just doesn't happen anymore with the cap and higher salaries.

Holy hell, for those complaining about seabrooks contract right now look at JJ's fanboy crush of Ryan Kesler right now:

Seabrook Cap Hit: $6.875
Kesler Cap Hit: $6.675

Seabrook Contract Expiration: 2023
Kesler Contract Expiration: 2022

Seabrook Pts This Year: 17
Kesler Pts This Year: 6
- Stan_Bowman

So were not the only ones that handed out stupid contracts.

How does that help us?

no way to that... Kane is the only reason why to watch this team.
- BGKarras

Damn straight!

And they're still in the hunt for a playoff spot after a 12 game losing streak.
- Hawks_49

welcome bettmans world of nhl mediocracy... half the nhl teams are with in 1 game of .500 or worse...

anybody have thoughts on a fantasy trade from JJ Kane to Avs for first round pick OTT and prospect Makar and Tysone Barrie
- Count Caggula

yeah....NUTZ...

about players with NTC and NMC is just a complete waste of time...

when the rumors start or it is reported one of them is willing to waive then go ahead and speculate away...

Nah. Kampf is just as effective if not more so since he has size and speed. He wins draw flips ice and doesn't get scored on.

Also a guy that was meh in the ozone that took a full year to figure it out and misplaced sometimes higher in the line up.

Same skill set on a better athelete = upgrade.
- fattybeef

I think agree to disagree. I just feel like Kruger from like 2011-2015 was a heck of a lot more effective than Kampf of 2018-2019. He was our clear #1 PK forward, got assigned tough match ups and a huge slant in Dzone deployment and put up the same offense Kampf does. Late in the game the 4th line was used to hold the lead and they did it really well. At the same age Kampf is now, Kruger was on his way to being a part of his second Stanley cup. He wasn't a top player, but he was a valuable piece. I don't think Kampf is there yet and given his age, not sure he will be.

I really like the effort from Kampf, he has that in spades, but I don't know if that is enough.

no way to that... Kane is the only reason why to watch this team.
- BGKarras

And Kane is the only guy who can command a decent return to make this team watchable again. Either we enjoy watching Kane play on a team going no where or we accept that the team will be weak for a few years and that the return for Kane may expedite that process.

I'm in the camp that prefers Stone over Panarin. But, does it make sense to sign Stone (or any of the high priced FAs) this summer, and can we afford it moving forward beyond 2019/20? More importantly, is using a good chunk of the cap space for a top-6 forward the best use of that cap space to get the Hawks back into contender status?

The main unknown is who will be the #1 goalie when the Hawks have improved enough to be a contender to win the Cup? Most likely the earliest the Hawks would be that improved is 2020/21 and we don't know if Crawford will ever return, let alone be able to be the #1 guy in 2020/21. Delia is still an unproven guy so we can't count on him. The point is we may need to spend a bunch to acquire a goalie more than a top-6 forward.

Can the Hawks afford (say) $9M for Stone and another $7M for the top free agent goalie available before the start of the 2020/21 season? It depends on a lot of other variables but if we sign Stone this summer that limits the options to do other things not only next summer but the following few years. What if our bevy of baby d-men don't pan out - we'll need to spend on shoring up the d-corps.

It just seems a little scary to lock up big bucks for a free agent this summer when we don't know how many of these variables will play out.
- EbonyRaptor

Agreed that stone isn’t the missing piece for 2019-2020. However, if he is the guy you want in the team when (if) it gets back to contending in 2 or 3 years you probably need to sign him now, otherwise he is probably signed long-term to someone else and thus never available to the hawks.

Think they should be looking at the real need for 2 to 3 years out and if it’s not stone, they have to identify free agents hitting the market each of the next 3 years to determine who they need to go after.

They need to be looking 3 years into the future to see where they need to target the guys they want. If the best one is coming out in 3 years, wait for him. If Stone is the best in the 3-year window, sign him now

Respectfully Rick, when healthy Bergeron is damn near a complete hockey player as anyone on earth. ............. Kampf is useful on THIS roster. A "predictable" type for a coach. Agree he is a depth guy on a good club, comes up for injuries. IMO he's better than Kruger who has not one sliver on offensive IQ. Kampf is no finisher either but a better option than Kruger.
- Mr Ricochet

Bergeron is as close to Hossa as you might find in the league today. Agreed that the Bergeron-Kampf play was like a man playing in a child’s game.

anybody have thoughts on a fantasy trade from JJ Kane to Avs for first round pick OTT and prospect Makar and Tysone Barrie
- Count Caggula

I doubt Colorado would make that trade but it's a pretty tempting offer to jump start the rebuild. Obviously losing Kane will be a traumatic culture shock but it would probably almost ensure the Hawks will finish with one of the worst record and Ottawa will probably be the other worst team. Imagine starting the rebuild with Jack Hughes, Kaapo Kakko and another $10.5M in cap space to sign one of the top free agents this summer. Cale Maker is one of the best d-prospects not currently in the NHL - he would be chosen ahead of any of the d-prospects currently in the Hawks pipeline. Barrie certainly wouldn't hurt to add to the Hawks team.

The optimistic plan is to improve enough to make a run at the Cup while Kane and Toews are still playing at a high level - but there's a lot of stuff that would need to go right for that to become a reality. A trade Kane type of rebuild will take longer but it's probably a more realistic approach to getting back to being a Cup contender.

His contract was expiring, and he wasn't going to sign here again. The trade itself was not the mistake. We have to look at the events that led up to and forced the trade.
- 333inthe3rd

That’s part of the problem.

Early 60's here, I remember I think it was 1964, and the game of the week was on CBS, and at that time to do the game in color they had theses huge floodlights, and painted the ice dark blue. It was an afternoon game to accommodate TV, and it was warm, the old madhouse didn't have air conditioning yet, and fans were still allowed to smoke. I remember Harvey Wittenberg go on the PA, and ask the fans to please stop smoking cause the television cameras were fogging up. My dad an avid cigar smoker, took out a fresh one and lit up, as did almost everyone of age in the mezzanine section where we sat. I thought it was one of the funniest things at that time. Way to go dad.
- LAHawk

Dad sounded like a true gamer. Boys night out, and who was gonna stop it/him? The alcoves in the second balcony were smoke dungeons in between periods. Smelled like an old time tavern. People having a great time. Could barely find the men's room as a kid due to the bluish hue.

Welcome aboard, Brownie!

To answer your question, generally I think it's good for any team (good, bad, or in between) to compete hard each game and lay it all on the ice. A team with high compete level and zero quit can still beat a team that has more skill. If the team falls short, they at least fought proudly and make the other team earn the win. Hopefully, too, entertain their fans along the way.
- AEL_Fox

Totally agree with your perspective!

It would be nice if they could win every year, but that’s not possible given the cap situation, league push for parity and the simple fact that as your best players age and their performance declines or they retire because of injury and such, it is virtually impossible to replace them with equals. While your team is on top or starting to slide, others in the league are getting the better young players and rebuilding. It’s the nature of any sport!

Possibly have the 1st two picks in the Draft . Add 1 more 1st in 2020 and we may have something . Wonder if they would wait till after the Lottery ..
- oldduffman

I would consider it but probably would not do it unless aves 2 1sts this and their 1st next year plus the 2 defenders. What forwards do the aves. Have in their system top 6 quality?

Granted Beaudin and/or Kurashev could flop, Ejdsell could end up being the weakest of the 3 assets in the Hartman trade and result in being the throw away. Hope he does find another gear and make a sharp turn upward in his development but he isn't trending well.

If Ejdsell is part of a trade, I doubt anyone would miss him. But if either Beaudin or Kurashev were traded, there could be some angst on these boards.
- AEL_Fox

There will always be angst on this board!

Picking one play to decide if a player is good is silly. EVERY player has plays where they look like goofs.

Dad sounded like a true gamer. Boys night out, and who was gonna stop it/him? The alcoves in the second balcony were smoke dungeons in between periods. Smelled like an old time tavern. People having a great time. Could barely find the men's room as a kid due to the bluish hue.
- gabriel

Seen a few fights start with people throwing partially eaten hot dogs at each other and throwing beers. Heard my first curse word as a kid at the stadium. Good times.

Picking one play to decide if a player is good is silly. EVERY player has plays where they look like goofs.
- mohel

Good point. It does happen to everyone. Even look at the game the other day. Kane coughed up the puck on the half boards on the PP and Gus made a solid defensive play to bail him out. You can't look at that play and say Kane sucks at handling the puck and Gus is a defensive specialist.