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homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Dec 18 @ 11:11 AM ET
Yeah, Botts needs to tell him to show up in Rochester, for his new team, if they push too hard. I agree, the Sabres definitely are in the drivers seat. Just want it to work out for the franchise.
- RhinoFan

it will work out


berglund can kiss their a$$ to try to come back but the sabres do not have to let him come back


he wants out and now he got his out

pouted because he was not going to play on saturday and either didn't think it through, or knew exactly what he was doing so he could go home and sign biggest contract ever in Sweden
adambuffalo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 01.30.2007

Dec 18 @ 11:14 AM ET
Berglund, while with the Blues, had a full no-trade clause until June 30, 2018. As of July 1, when the trade happened, it became a partial no-trade clause. His updated list of teams was not received in time and therefore the trade was legal and binding.

https://thehockeywriters....o-sabres-berglund-future/

It really seems shady on Doug Armstrong's part. How much time did he really give to get the 20 team list? A lot of people questioned Berglund's contract when it was first signed, and many here and elsewhere called it a cap dump. I would think that if he wasn't willing to come here they could have contested the trade at the time it was made.
SABRES 89
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Buffalo Sabres
Location: I'm very Happy to be here. Las Vegas Via Buffalo N.Y.
Joined: 02.17.2007

Dec 18 @ 11:20 AM ET
In all fairness, most can't, you're a quick one.
- RhinoFan

She told me I wasn't.
RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Visionville
Joined: 10.12.2015

Dec 18 @ 11:20 AM ET
it will work out


berglund can kiss their a$$ to try to come back but the sabres do not have to let him come back


he wants out and now he got his out

pouted because he was not going to play on saturday and either didn't think it through, or knew exactly what he was doing so he could go home and sign biggest contract ever in Sweden

- homiedclown


You have to imagine a lawyer or his agent let him know what the consequences would be if he simply didn't show. He could have simply stayed with the "I'm sick" excuse and stretched this out a while.

The more I think about it, the more I think you're completely right. The Sabres should play nice until Friday then bring in every legal mind they can to answer the simple question: how do we axe this contract and keep it off the books?
RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Visionville
Joined: 10.12.2015

Dec 18 @ 11:22 AM ET
She told me I wasn't.
- SABRES 89


And that's all that matters
BareMetal
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 11.15.2017

Dec 18 @ 11:29 AM ET
my guess is the sabres will be off the hook on the deal

first step will be unconditional waivers

once unclaimed, my guess is the berglund camp won't fight the 3 mil or so he loses so he can go home

- homiedclown


Why do you think Pegs will just roll and give him 3M a year settlement?

I'm genuinely curious.. contracts, legal binding, contract language, etc., I just don't see why Pegs would pay a guy 3M a year to not be on his team...
Pairo11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Cancel my subscription to the resurrection.
Joined: 10.15.2007

Dec 18 @ 11:29 AM ET
Okposobilities.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Dec 18 @ 11:29 AM ET
Berglund, while with the Blues, had a full no-trade clause until June 30, 2018. As of July 1, when the trade happened, it became a partial no-trade clause. His updated list of teams was not received in time and therefore the trade was legal and binding.

https://thehockeywriters....o-sabres-berglund-future/

It really seems shady on Doug Armstrong's part. How much time did he really give to get the 20 team list? A lot of people questioned Berglund's contract when it was first signed, and many here and elsewhere called it a cap dump. I would think that if he wasn't willing to come here they could have contested the trade at the time it was made.

- adambuffalo

homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Dec 18 @ 11:30 AM ET
Why do you think Pegs will just roll and give him 3M a year settlement?

I'm genuinely curious.. contracts, legal binding, contract language, etc., I just don't see why Pegs would pay a guy 3M a year to not be on his team...

- BareMetal

Pegs will not be giving him 1 dime

berglund camp can fight it and try to capture, losing effort, or sign with sweden


he will sign with sweden and sabres will be off the hook
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Dec 18 @ 11:32 AM ET
The team gave him the NTC. The fact that he/his agent didn't submit their list to the league is on them, not on the team.

That's the interesting part there. If the player doesn't submit their list, that's not the teams fault.

I guess in good faith the team could call and say "Hey, is there a reason you didn't submit your list?" but at the same time, that indicates to the player that a trade is imminent and adds a whole new dimension of ugliness. Especially if at the end of the day the player DOESN'T get traded. It's fairly messy either way.

- HonkFortheGoose


He is represented by one of the biggest agencies in hockey.

This is not something they would miss, sounds like he (Berglund) didn't submit his list in time.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Dec 18 @ 11:32 AM ET
Botterill on WGR this evening. Generally he's on at 5, maybe we'll get a tidbit then
- jcragcrumple


Whatever, those hacks will softball everything to him.
adambuffalo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 01.30.2007

Dec 18 @ 11:33 AM ET
it's simple, sabres hold the cards


does berglund want to fight this losing battle, or go play back home in Jan

my guess is he wants to go back home so they will kowtow to the sabres and take the out to go overseas to recapture as much money as they can


Berglund will then sign the biggest contract in Swedish history and all will be a distant memory by Feb

- homiedclown


Last year the biggest Liiga contract was approximately $440k USD and I could only find the highest SHL contract from two years ago which was approximately $250k. He would be essentially giving up an entire team's payroll by having his contract terminated.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Dec 18 @ 11:34 AM ET
He is represented by one of the biggest agencies in hockey.

This is not something they would miss, sounds like he (Berglund) didn't submit his list in time.

- Stripes77


Live look at the NHL Offices fax machine

Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Dec 18 @ 11:35 AM ET
Pegs will not be giving him 1 dime

berglund camp can fight it and try to capture, losing effort, or sign with sweden


he will sign with sweden and sabres will be off the hook

- homiedclown



Unless he is MIA because he is in rehab, he really doesn't have a leg to stand on.

Material breach of contract: In contract law, a "material" breach of contract is a breach (a failure to perform the contract) that strikes so deeply at the heart of the contract that it renders the agreement "irreparably broken" and defeats the purpose of making the contract in the first place.

The purpose of the contract given to him is to play hockey, he has not done that without given a reason, he has simply not shown up.

The Sabres hold all the cards.

Like you said, he isn't on unconditional waivers yet, but if he doesn't report by the weekend, he is a goner.

The Sabres are actually showing good faith by only suspending him for the time being.

They hold all the cards.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
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Joined: 07.30.2012

Dec 18 @ 11:36 AM ET
Live look at the NHL Offices fax machine


- TheSabresTaco



Darcy's fax?
SABRES 89
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Dec 18 @ 11:36 AM ET
Pegs will not be giving him 1 dime

berglund camp can fight it and try to capture, losing effort, or sign with sweden


he will sign with sweden and sabres will be off the hook

- homiedclown

He doesn't want to be here I was told and didn't want to be traded in the first place. He started with his attitude during the 10 game win streak.
HonkFortheGoose
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "___________ stinks."-Sabres89, NY
Joined: 07.26.2008

Dec 18 @ 11:36 AM ET
Berglund, while with the Blues, had a full no-trade clause until June 30, 2018. As of July 1, when the trade happened, it became a partial no-trade clause. His updated list of teams was not received in time and therefore the trade was legal and binding.

https://thehockeywriters....o-sabres-berglund-future/

It really seems shady on Doug Armstrong's part. How much time did he really give to get the 20 team list? A lot of people questioned Berglund's contract when it was first signed, and many here and elsewhere called it a cap dump. I would think that if he wasn't willing to come here they could have contested the trade at the time it was made.

- adambuffalo


The point here is that it's not his responsibility to do it. It's the players responsibility to take care of the items like a list of what teams they don't want to play for and submit it to the league. My guess is he should have had it submitted to the league prior to the July 1st date that it kicked in so that if something came down, he was covered.

He didn't do that. Or his agent. In any event, if being able to pick where he could possibly get traded to was such a big deal to him, he should have made sure it was taken care of.

This is like bouncing your bank account. It's not the banks responsibility to call you and remind you you have an autopay for your cellphone account coming out in 2 days and you don't have enough to cover it. They don't do that. As an adult, it's your responsibility to ensure these types of details. It's no different.
HonkFortheGoose
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "___________ stinks."-Sabres89, NY
Joined: 07.26.2008

Dec 18 @ 11:38 AM ET
He is represented by one of the biggest agencies in hockey.

This is not something they would miss, sounds like he (Berglund) didn't submit his list in time.

- Stripes77


I don't know whether it was his responsibility or theirs. Clearly someone dropped the ball somewhere.
SabreWest
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BC
Joined: 03.02.2015

Dec 18 @ 11:41 AM ET
Pegs will not be giving him 1 dime

berglund camp can fight it and try to capture, losing effort, or sign with sweden


he will sign with sweden and sabres will be off the hook

- homiedclown


I'm hopeful that your crystal ball is working today on the Bergy situation. It would be a home-run for Botts/Sabres if they could unload him now without costing a player or $$. Freeing up $4 million annually over the next 3 1/2 years would be huge.

Also, with each passing game I appreciate more and more what Sobotka brings to the team from a defensive perspective. He wins key draws and kills penalties really well. The only negative is when Housley sticks him on the ice in O/T instead of Skinner. Not sure about that strategy.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Dec 18 @ 11:46 AM ET
Last year the biggest Liiga contract was approximately $440k USD and I could only find the highest SHL contract from two years ago which was approximately $250k. He would be essentially giving up an entire team's payroll by having his contract terminated.
- adambuffalo


This is a line that Drouin crossed, under different circumstances. Under that scenario, the relationship was already damaged and he didn't want to hurt his chances of being traded to a team after being demoted, so he just didn't play. By terminating Drouin's contract, the Lightning would lose a significantly valuable player with a premium contract.

Berglund has no real value, and his contract vastly outweighs his usefulness. With his inflated contract and term, coupled with his declining abilities and speed, along with simply choosing not to show up AND potentially lying to the team, the team will be lucky to recoup a useful AHL guy or a mid to late pick. Termination seems like the nuclear option, even though its the most obvious. The organization likely feels the need to do it's due diligence to satisfy a player that has wronged them to at least get some value for him in return. This also paints the org in a better light, as it helps all it's players, regardless of stature.

A legal battle with the NHLPA will ensue if the path of contract termination goes forward. All facts must be gathered and the team must prove no fault.

Mike Richards blew coke and crossed the border with it and the Kings still needed to pay him, and keep his awesome salary on their books for another two years.
RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Visionville
Joined: 10.12.2015

Dec 18 @ 11:49 AM ET
I'm hopeful that your crystal ball is working today on the Bergy situation. It would be a home-run for Botts/Sabres if they could unload him now without costing a player or $$. Freeing up $4 million annually over the next 3 1/2 years would be huge.

Also, with each passing game I appreciate more and more what Sobotka brings to the team from a defensive perspective. He wins key draws and kills penalties really well. The only negative is when Housley sticks him on the ice in O/T instead of Skinner. Not sure about that strategy.

- SabreWest


Thank you. Sobotka isn't some amazing add, but he's been very solid for us, never gets credit. Good call.

And Homie is usually right. I differ to track record here.
adambuffalo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 01.30.2007

Dec 18 @ 11:52 AM ET
I agree that the onus is on the player/ agent to get the list submitted, however I do not recall a time that this has happened before. On the other hand, I have heard countless times when a team has asked a player for their list prior to being traded. I think a big part of this trade was the timing with ROR's bonus about to kick in at the end of the day.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Dec 18 @ 11:55 AM ET


Mike Richards blew coke and crossed the border with it and the Kings still needed to pay him, and keep his awesome salary on their books for another two years.

- TheSabresTaco

at least 8 years

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...-central/team.php?team=LA
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Dec 18 @ 11:55 AM ET
I agree that the onus is on the player/ agent to get the list submitted, however I do not recall a time that this has happened before. On the other hand, I have heard countless times when a team has asked a player for their list prior to being traded. I think a big part of this trade was the timing with ROR's bonus about to kick in at the end of the day.
- adambuffalo


I'm sure you don't hear about it often because

A) The team will likely try to honor the list even if it's late
B) Trades are probably not pulled off immediately after lists are due
C) Most players don't cause a stink after going to their new teams

When you think about it, it's an extremely rare scenario.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Dec 18 @ 11:56 AM ET
Thank you. Sobotka isn't some amazing add, but he's been very solid for us, never gets credit. Good call.

And Homie is usually right. I differ to track record here.

- RhinoFan

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