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SuperSchennBros
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Dec 8 @ 8:11 PM ET
You know he was gonna get asked about it, and IIRC, he said all the right things, that he would do whatever the team needed, but from how I heard him answer the question, he said that this is the role he needs to play until Couts comes back

He added some extra comments about the defensive responsibilities, and I don't want to overstate or understate. I am saying that Giroux knows that 1C is a heavier lift than 1LW, and he wasn't killing himself to say he wanted to move back

- AllInForFlyers

Absolutely! Giroux isn’t going to say “I should be at center” because that’s implying that Couturier isn’t doing a good job there, which nobody is saying.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
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Dec 8 @ 8:11 PM ET
Man, will your head explode off your body if Giroux plays center beyond today?

We have a serious hole at center right now.

- SuperSchennBros


Mine won't, but my honest preference is to get another center in here. What Giroux showed today, whether it's him or not, is that we need another guy in the middle
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 06.26.2007

Dec 8 @ 8:11 PM ET
The boys had pizza and wings!

Stoalie with the Tommy Boy line lol!

https://twitter.com/nhlfl.../1071513384208793601?s=21

- arichardson22


Pizza and wings
Baxter27
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.03.2007

Dec 8 @ 8:13 PM ET
You know he was gonna get asked about it, and IIRC, he said all the right things, that he would do whatever the team needed, but from how I heard him answer the question, he said that this is the role he needs to play until Couts comes back

He added some extra comments about the defensive responsibilities, and I don't want to overstate or understate. I am saying that Giroux knows that 1C is a heavier lift than 1LW, and he wasn't killing himself to say he wanted to move back

- AllInForFlyers


If theres a deal out there that makes sense, by all means, make it. Hextall couldnt find that deal for 4 years and I'm not comfortable with Fletcher over paying assets if him and Hakstol feel they have an in house solution.

I do see your point about Giroux wearing down. It's my #1 concern if he does remain at C. Hes in the prime of his career though and wants to play where hes most valuable to the team.
dragonoffrost
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Dec 8 @ 8:13 PM ET
Man, will your head explode off your body if Giroux plays center beyond today?

We have a serious hole at center right now.

- SuperSchennBros

No poop Sherlock I'm talking when Coots returns but I guess having Coots listed didn't make that clear
SuperSchennBros
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Dec 8 @ 8:16 PM ET
No poop Sherlock I'm talking when Coots returns but I guess having Coots listed didn't make that clear
- dragonoffrost

We have a huge hole at center even if Couturier is in the line up. What about this are you not understanding???
dragonoffrost
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Dec 8 @ 8:19 PM ET
We have a huge hole at center even if Couturier is in the line up. What about this are you not understanding???
- SuperSchennBros

I'm trying to get Patrick going but you don't see that along with JvR in top six which should benefit Coots and TK. Those top two lines should bring better balance than dropping Patrick to line 3. As Patrick brings better skill than anyone else they could put there. Leaving skill in top 6 not just center. Again it's about the whole team not just one spot
SuperSchennBros
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Dec 8 @ 8:20 PM ET
I'm trying to get Patrick going but you don't see that along with JvR in top six which should benefit Coots and TK. Those top two lines should bring better balance than dropping Patrick to line 3. As Patrick brings better skill than anyone else they could put there.
- dragonoffrost

It’s not about one player! Playing on the third line isn’t a punishment. Simmonds has been on the third line most of the season and doing fine in terms of production.
dragonoffrost
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Dec 8 @ 8:24 PM ET
It’s not about one player! Playing on the third line isn’t a punishment. Simmonds has been on the third line most of the season and doing fine in terms of production.
- SuperSchennBros

List lines then. You'll have the hole At 2 lw. Lindblom isn't filling it. Raffl? Heads will explode. Weise? Lol. I put the 6 best skilled guys in the top 6.

Laughts will be fine with Simmonds and either Raffl or Lindblom as line 3
SuperSchennBros
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Dec 8 @ 8:29 PM ET
List lines then. You'll have the hole At 2 lw. Lindblom isn't filling it. Raffl? Heads will explode. Weise? Lol. I put the 6 best skilled guys in the top 6.

Laughts will be fine with Simmonds and either Raffl or Lindblom as line 3

- dragonoffrost

Bergeron, Krejci, Backes

Matthews, Tavares, Kadri

I’m literally watching two teams go up against each other who have three centers who could play in the top six on any team.

I’m not listing lines. We need to fill a hole at center.
dragonoffrost
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Dec 8 @ 8:33 PM ET
Bergeron, Krejci, Backes

Matthews, Tavares, Kadri

I’m literally watching two teams go up against each other who have three centers who could play in the top six on any team.

- SuperSchennBros

Great so they have better rosters right now. I'm talking this current roster when healthy. You bring up two teams that were expected to be cup contenders with their healthy rosters. The Flyers are a bubble team when healthy.

Every line up I mention is using the current players here.I'm not got hypothetical get a wing or center in a trade cause I'm not figuring out what goes the other way. We all know the team is flawed.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
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Dec 8 @ 8:34 PM ET
Bergeron, Krejci, Backes

Matthews, Tavares, Kadri

I’m literally watching two teams go up against each other who have three centers who could play in the top six on any team.

I’m not listing lines. We need to fill a hole at center.

- SuperSchennBros


Bergeron has been injured...

And Backes

"literally" watching
dragonoffrost
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Dec 8 @ 8:36 PM ET
Bergeron has been injured...

And Backes

"literally" watching

- Glak18

Let him use them names because in using Coots healthy

But he has to compare a bubble team as constructed to a cup favorite, LOL
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
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Dec 8 @ 8:39 PM ET
Let him use them names because in using Coots healthy

But he has to compare a bubble team as constructed to a cup favorite, LOL

- dragonoffrost


I know, but I saw "literally watching" 2 teams...and one of the players listed has been injured and not even playing right now.

You can't make this stuff up.
SuperSchennBros
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Dec 8 @ 9:00 PM ET
I know, but I saw "literally watching" 2 teams...and one of the players listed has been injured and not even playing right now.

You can't make this stuff up.

- Glak18

But Bergeron doesn’t play center? Center isn’t his prime position whether his team is healthy or not?

Both teams do have three centers who could play in the top six anywhere.
SuperSchennBros
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Dec 8 @ 9:01 PM ET
Bergeron has been injured...

And Backes

"literally" watching

- Glak18

Backes scored tonight...
dragonoffrost
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Dec 8 @ 9:07 PM ET
Backes scored tonight...
- SuperSchennBros

Boston wasn't a flawed roster to start the season. They got 4 defensemen hurt.

Flyers are a known flawed roster work with what they got. You can make 2 good lines. Not three. Any coach will build skilled lines first then fill out that nights roster with what he has left. You got G, Coots, TK, Jake, Patrick, JvR and Simmonds then mix and match pieces. Even Simmonds at ES is a question mark. Now is my view clear?

I'm not comparing this roster to other teams. I'm talking this Flyers roster.
SuperSchennBros
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Dec 8 @ 9:11 PM ET
Boston wasn't a flawed roster to start the season. They got 4 defensemen hurt.

Flyers are a known flawed roster work with what they got. You can make 2 good lines. Not three. Any coach will build skilled lines first then fill out that nights roster with what he has left. You got G, Coots, TK, Jake, Patrick, JvR and Simmonds then mix and match pieces. Even Simmonds at ES is a question mark. Now is my view clear?

I'm not comparing this roster to other teams. I'm talking this Flyers roster.

- dragonoffrost

Oh my god, you’ve been literally arguing a successful experiment since 1pm this afternoon. Maybe one of the reasons this team is flawed is because of the titanic sized hole at third line center. Which is why you move the guy who had four points at center, which to center.
Landsbergfan
Philadelphia Flyers
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Dec 8 @ 9:13 PM ET
Pizza and wings
- Glak18

Deserved! I bet they was tired of the HEX Russian prison food.
dragonoffrost
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Dec 8 @ 9:15 PM ET
Oh my god, you’ve been literally arguing a successful experiment since 1pm this afternoon. Maybe one of the reasons this team is flawed is because of the titanic sized hole at third line center. Which is why you move the guy who had four points at center, which to center.
- SuperSchennBros

So you go
JvR-g-tk
Jake-Coots-simmer
And you don't develop Patrick.

That sounds like your plan. How hard was it to type that? By the way Coots will have a ball fighting his way out of the d zone with those wings and their turnovers.
SuperSchennBros
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Dec 8 @ 9:28 PM ET
So you go
JvR-g-tk
Jake-Coots-simmer
And you don't develop Patrick.

That sounds like your plan. How hard was it to type that? By the way Coots will have a ball fighting his way out of the d zone with those wings and their turnovers.

- dragonoffrost


I don’t know what you are trying to convince me of or yourself. Today we won a game by committee. Everyone picked up their socks after a slow first period and played well throughout the entire line up and you are speculating that it will be tough for one player to return and play well with different line mates. You just want to go back to the same old to keep Sean Couturier and Claude Giroux together.

What exactly do you mean Patrick cannot develop on the third line? Claude Giroux centered the third line entering the league around the same age.
dragonoffrost
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Dec 8 @ 9:34 PM ET
I don’t know what you are trying to convince me of or yourself. Today we won a game by committee. Everyone picked up their socks after a slow first period and played well throughout the entire line up and you are speculating that it will be tough for one player to return and play well with different line mates. You just want to go back to the same old to keep Sean Couturier and Claude Giroux together.

What exactly do you mean Patrick cannot develop on the third line? Claude Giroux centered the third line entering the league around the same age.

- SuperSchennBros

I'm willing to make changes but I don't see the need for G to be a center if you have healthy Coots and Patrick. Our third line has two holes no matter how you build it right now. The hole will be center and a wing or two wings. I prefer Simmonds out of the top 6 if I'm making the call. You prefer a center let's just agree to disagree.
SuperSchennBros
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Dec 8 @ 9:43 PM ET
I'm willing to make changes but I don't see the need for G to be a center if you have healthy Coots and Patrick. Our third line has two holes no matter how you build it right now. The hole will be center and a wing or two wings. I prefer Simmonds out of the top 6 if I'm making the call. You prefer a center let's just agree to disagree.
- dragonoffrost


JvR-Giroux-Konecny
Raffl-Couturier-Voracek
Lindblom-Patrick-Simmonds
Weise-Laughton-Weal

I don’t view this as a bad line up, just so long as the middle spots are occupied by a capable centers. Not necessarily the exact combinations themselves but what we are missing when you take certain players out of their natural positions. I disagree with Laughton ever being moved to wing as well.
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
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Dec 8 @ 9:46 PM ET
JvR-Giroux-Konecny
Raffl-Couturier-Voracek
Lindblom-Patrick-Simmonds
Weise-Laughton-Weal

I don’t view this as a bad line up, just so long as the middle spots are occupied by a capable center. Not necessarily the exact combinations themselves but what we are missing when you take certain players out of their natural positions. I disagree with Laughton ever being moved to wing as well.

- SuperSchennBros

yeah this is kinda what i was thinking as well. i'd prefer to see NAK up playing over Weal but it is what it is.
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 07.23.2007

Dec 8 @ 9:49 PM ET
The 1st period was pond hockey. I think there might have been 2 hits the entire 1st period. Thankfully the game got a little chippy and more physical, Raffl leading that charge. What an inspired performance. Flyers collectively looked to have pulled themselves out of their own 'slumps'. Still some head-scratcher plays coming from Provorov, Jake, Patrick, and Ghost and the infrequent PP remains anemic. Stolarz is starting to shape into NHL form.
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