Reporters can get information from non hockey people who work at the arena, players, non player hockey staff, etc. I don't really get that there's only two sides to this that people keep believing, that there's only anti-Hextall or pro-Hextall. If this stuff that was coming out was being pushed back on by some, then I would call into question what has already been posted. That hasn't happened yet. People can be for the truth, and not anti or pro hextall.

Journalists also don't share off the record stuff unless their sources allow them to. Kinda makes sense not to leak on your boss while he's still your boss.

Also, they don't have to be working directly with the team now to get info. Journalists in all areas of society keep sources and contacts even if they are not seeing them face to face. That info doesn't to be shared with them after the fact. It can be an ongoing thing.

Anyway, you'll just have to excuse me if I put more value on info coming from people associated with the team for years than you or anyone else on here. Until we get pushback or conflicting info from someone else besides Hextall himself, I'm more inclined to believe what we've heard so far.
- feelingkettle

So with the reports of supposedly how tightly Hextall guarded the team, even to the point of not allowing alumni in the locker room, and controlling the message and leaks, now you think people who work at the arena have this information.

The comment about placing more value on info coming from people associated with the team doesn't make any sense. I'm not providing any info on what happened!

As far as two sides are concerned and there only being anti Hextall or pro Hextall, that's my entire point. One side has their view and the other has theirs. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

For example, some are making it out to be like Hextall was so controlling that he wouldn't let the players eat a chicken wing or a slice of pizza. Is that the truth or is Hextall's explanation of hiring a nutritionist to put together team meals?

If you read SanFilippo's article, where does he state how he got his info?

Again I'll ask, what is missing from the SanFilippo article?

I don't think there is any secret axe to grind with reporters against Hextall. The issue is sooooo many of the guys that cover the team are on the Comcast payroll one way or another that you're just not going to get corroboration from many people.

I think Homer is handling this the right way and getting a lot of unwarranted poop. He's got more front office experience than anyone involved with the team and could've easily inserted himself or a Flyers strawman in the GM role. He hasn't.

Even the poop he's getting for being a bad GM is over the top. He took a roster worse than this and got them to the Stanley Cup Final in mininal time. Not his fault his number one D man sustained a career ending injury and his owner demanded we give the moon to a goalie.
- hereticpride

I don't believe the media is being used to put the axe to Hextall. I believe it's being used as PR on the move.

Reporters can get information from non hockey people who work at the arena, players, non player hockey staff, etc. I don't really get that there's only two sides to this that people keep believing, that there's only anti-Hextall or pro-Hextall. If this stuff that was coming out was being pushed back on by some, then I would call into question what has already been posted. That hasn't happened yet. People can be for the truth, and not anti or pro hextall.

Journalists also don't share off the record stuff unless their sources allow them to. Kinda makes sense not to leak on your boss while he's still your boss.

Also, they don't have to be working directly with the team now to get info. Journalists in all areas of society keep sources and contacts even if they are not seeing them face to face. That info doesn't to be shared with them after the fact. It can be an ongoing thing.

Anyway, you'll just have to excuse me if I put more value on info coming from people associated with the team for years than you or anyone else on here. Until we get pushback or conflicting info from someone else besides Hextall himself, I'm more inclined to believe what we've heard so far.
- feelingkettle

Well put. I’m more willing to believe what I hear from a long time journalist like Anthony SF than I am from either Hexy or Homer in press conferences.

So with the reports of supposedly how tightly Hextall guarded the team, even to the point of not allowing alumni in the locker room, and controlling the message and leaks, now you think people who work at the arena have this information.

The comment about placing more value on info coming from people associated with the team doesn't make any sense. I'm not providing any info on what happened!

As far as two sides are concerned and there only being anti Hextall or pro Hextall, that's my entire point. One side has their view and the other has theirs. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

For example, some are making it out to be like Hextall was so controlling that he wouldn't let the players eat a chicken wing or a slice of pizza. Is that the truth or is Hextall's explanation of hiring a nutritionist to put together team meals?

If you read SanFilippo's article, where does he state how he got his info?

Again I'll ask, what is missing from the SanFilippo article?
- MJL

If you know anything about reporting, you know that no journalist is ever going to tell who or where they got their information from, unless the source is ok with that. From Ant San's article:

And then there are times when you are torn. There are times when you are given great information, but asked not to share it publicly. Or you are told you can speculate on it, but can’t actually report it – as I did with the Hextall information last Friday.

And I will tell you that since Hextall’s firing, I have been deluged with information from multiple people throughout the Flyers organization that just blew me away.

They all asked that I tread very lightly with this information, and I did so in this post that I published on Tuesday.

If you're asking for him to identify where and how he got his information, then you lack any understanding of journalists and sources and how that stuff works.

Also, Hextall apparently controlled what was going on in the arena and practice facility. However, did you know that some people today have cell phones, and can call and text reporters? And sometimes they can just chat like normal people not at work.

I said the comment about putting their info above yours because you are telling people that this information is coming from anti-hextall people with an axe to grind. You don't know that, and I don't know that. Which is why I'd rather go with people who are around the team's info than any opinion of yours.

You don't know the inner workings of this team or this situation. I don't either. I'm choosing right now to believe a lot of what has been said by respected people, as there is no conflicting information out there from anyone else besides Hextall.

I don't believe the media is being used to put the axe to Hextall. I believe it's being used as PR on the move.
- MJL

Used by who?

Also, I found the root of Ghost's issues last night. It's pretty simple

If you know anything about reporting, you know that no journalist is ever going to tell who or where they got their information from, unless the source is ok with that. From Ant San's article:



If you're asking for him to identify where and how he got his information, then you lack any understanding of journalists and sources and how that stuff works.

Also, Hextall apparently controlled what was going on in the arena and practice facility. However, did you know that some people today have cell phones, and can call and text reporters? And sometimes they can just chat like normal people not at work.

I said the comment about putting their info above yours because you are telling people that this information is coming from anti-hextall people with an axe to grind. You don't know that, and I don't know that. Which is why I'd rather go with people who are around the team's info than any opinion of yours.

You don't know the inner workings of this team or this situation. I don't either. I'm choosing right now to believe a lot of what has been said by respected people, as there is no conflicting information out there from anyone else besides Hextall.
- feelingkettle

So why didn't any sources reveal any of this before this. He's been the GM for over 4 years! Did they just get their cell phones recently?

If you read the article, SanFilippo clearly states "And I will tell you that since Hextall’s firing, I have been deluged with information from multiple people throughout the Flyers organization that just blew me away."

He's not giving you an objective report. He's giving you the info that he was fed. He does not in any way offer an sort of proof or corroboration.

You can respect the reporters and still doubt the info. Like I said previously, there are nuances to all of this.

I'm not going to just believe any and all reports based on hearsay. I need to see something more concrete. Like I said, I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.

Used by who?
- Dkos

The Flyers Organization.

So why didn't any sources reveal any of this before this. He's been the GM for over 4 years!

If you read the article, SanFilippo clearly states "And I will tell you that since Hextall’s firing, I have been deluged with information from multiple people throughout the Flyers organization that just blew me away."

He's not giving you an objective report. He's giving you the info that he was fed. He does not in any way offer an sort of proof or corroboration.

You can respect the reporters and still doubt the info. Like I said previously, there are nuances to all of this.

I'm not going to just believe any and all reports based on hearsay. I need to see something more concrete. Like I said, I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.
- MJL

I'm not sure why it's hard for you to understand why this stuff didn't come out earlier. No one is going to leak on their boss while he's still their boss, especially with how tight he ran things! If for some reason a leaker is found out, then they're out of a job. That shouldn't be a hard concept to understand.

Also, you have no idea if his report is objective or not. That's your opinion from the outside. Again, doesn't really matter what you say on that, because you are as clueless as everyone else, including myself.

I am choosing to believe more info by respected people associated with the team, as they are all saying generally the same thing. If there was conflicting information coming out, and people thought Hextall was doing great things, then I'd reconsider what's out there now.

It is possible that what we have now is the truth. It's possible that Hextall did these things and ran his team the way Bill, Jay, Ant San, and Cote allude to. Just because there's two sides doesn't mean one isn't telling the truth.

Anyway, I'm going out to dinner, so enjoy the rest of your evening. No reason to keep thsi convo going anyway until something else comes out.

The Flyers Organization.
- MJL

Are you saying The Flyers are feeding false info to reporters to make Hexy look bad?

I'm not sure why it's hard for you to understand why this stuff didn't come out earlier. No one is going to leak on their boss while he's still their boss, especially with how tight he ran things! If for some reason a leaker is found out, then they're out of a job. That shouldn't be a hard concept to understand.

Also, you have no idea if his report is objective or not. That's your opinion from the outside. Again, doesn't really matter what you say on that, because you are as clueless as everyone else.

I am choosing to believe more info by respected people associated with the team, as they are all saying generally the same thing. If there was conflicting information coming out, and people thought Hextall was doing great things, then I'd reconsider what's out there now.

It is possible that what we have now is the truth. It's possible that Hextall did these things and ran his team the way Bill, Jay, Ant San, and Cote allude to. Just because there's two sides doesn't mean one isn't telling the truth.

Anyway, I'm going out to dinner, so enjoy the rest of your evening. No reason to keep thsi convo going anyway until something else comes out.
- feelingkettle

We don't know who leaked it now. You're telling me that people have cell phones and that people outside of the hockey team could've reported stuff. It's also not a hard concept to understand that in 4 years time all of this was going on and nobody reported it? I find that very hard to believe. Why is the team all of a sudden okay with all the leaking going on now? Easy, it fits their agenda now.

He tells you where he is getting their info from. It's from the Flyers and not from an independent source. You make my point for me. You tell me I have no idea if his report is objective or not. Neither do you so why accept it as fact?

It's also not very hard to accept that a lot of this being blown out of proportion and really is BS and that the only thing that really happened here is that the team was unhappy with the progress of the team and the resulting business issues.

So why didn't any sources reveal any of this before this. He's been the GM for over 4 years! Did they just get their cell phones recently?

If you read the article, SanFilippo clearly states "And I will tell you that since Hextall’s firing, I have been deluged with information from multiple people throughout the Flyers organization that just blew me away."

He's not giving you an objective report. He's giving you the info that he was fed. He does not in any way offer an sort of proof or corroboration.

You can respect the reporters and still doubt the info. Like I said previously, there are nuances to all of this.

I'm not going to just believe any and all reports based on hearsay. I need to see something more concrete. Like I said, I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.
- MJL

Regardless where the truth lies behind the scenes, when you combine his restrictive methods with uneven results in the 5th year of his plan, hes subject to scrutiny.

Are you saying The Flyers are feeding false info to reporters to make Hexy look bad?
- Dkos

I think the Flyers are using the media for PR in this and making Hextall out to look like the bad guy with all of this stuff. I think there is some truth to it but a lot of it is being greatly exaggerated.

Regardless where the truth lies behind the scenes, when you combine his restrictive methods with uneven results in the 5th year of his plan, hes subject to scrutiny.
- Baxter27

I don't think there is any such thing as a perfect GM. Personally I haven't seen any info that changes my position on this and that the team made a mistake here.

However that does not mean that I don't think the next GM can't come in here and do a good job and improve the team.

I don't think there is any such thing as a perfect GM. Personally I haven't seen any info that changes my position on this and that the team made a mistake here.

However that does not mean that I don't think the next GM can't come in here and do a good job and improve the team.
- MJL

I think Hextall did a lot of good in respect to many of the reasons he was hired. In terms of salary cap and asset management he put them in a great place.

Ive also seen a stale inconsistent hockey team the past few seasons. I've been paitient with the process but am at my tipping point. I welcome a new approach, just hope its the right one.

I think the Flyers are using the media for PR in this and making Hextall out to look like the bad guy with all of this stuff. I think there is some truth to it but a lot of it is being greatly exaggerated.
- MJL

Really? Why would they want to make him look like a bad guy? Seems unnecessary. This team has been pretty bad under Hextall. The majority of fans don’t need any convincing that getting rid of the GM was a good idea. Not many people, outside of the few on blogsites like this one, were concerned about this firing.

Really? Why would they want to make him look like a bad guy? Seems unnecessary. This team has been pretty bad under Hextall. The majority of fans don’t need any convincing that getting rid of the GM was a good idea. Not many people, outside of the few on blogsites like this one, were concerned about this firing.
- Dkos

I think it is unnecessary. I don't agree that the team has been pretty bad under Hextall. I'm sure how anyone can have the pulse on the entire fanbase.

NAK with a sweet shot and the Phantoms take a 3-1 lead. Also for those not watching, Hart has been fantastic. He’s made at least 5 ten bell saves and his rebound control has been excellent. Looks like he’s getting the hang of playing in the pros.

I think Hextall did a lot of good in respect to many of the reasons he was hired. In terms of salary cap and asset management he put them in a great place.

Ive also seen a stale inconsistent hockey team the past few seasons. I've been paitient with the process but am at my tipping point. I welcome a new approach, just hope its the right one.
- Baxter27

The team last season increased their point total by 10 points and finished 3rd in the Metro division. I think they bailed too soon.

Hart just made as good a glove save as I’ve seen in a long time

Hart with a save of the year candidate. Not much he could do rebound wise there on a "shoot low for the rebound" shot from the half boards. Perfectly executed by the F, right to the stick of a crashing Marlie, Hart absolutely robs him with the glove.

Fake news.

Fake news.
- flyer_nutter

Hart with a save of the year candidate. Not much he could do rebound wise there on a "shoot low for the rebound" shot from the half boards. Perfectly executed by the F, right to the stick of a crashing Marlie, Hart absolutely robs him with the glove.
- Giroux_Is_God

The announcer called it “left hand larceny”, he was spot on

NAK with a sweet shot and the Phantoms take a 3-1 lead. Also for those not watching, Hart has been fantastic. He’s made at least 5 ten bell saves and his rebound control has been excellent. Looks like he’s getting the hang of playing in the pros.
- BiggE

Hart has been great. Also like Myers game as well. Bunnamen, has also looked ok , skating well.