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CubanBuffet
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whine Country
Joined: 08.29.2014

Nov 26 @ 2:11 PM ET
David Nonis is free
- CanuckDon


That’s overpriced.
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Nov 26 @ 2:32 PM ET
David Nonis is free
- CanuckDon

I'm in. Get Cooke's favorite guy back in charge.
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Nov 26 @ 2:33 PM ET
Chia should be at the Airport soon.
- LordHumungous

Good God. You sure know how to get the hate turned on, on this fine Monday morning.
canucksfan1944
Joined: 12.13.2016

Nov 26 @ 3:00 PM ET
Alzner on waivers. Now that’s a bad contract and only in year 2.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Nov 26 @ 3:01 PM ET
Alzner on waivers. Now that’s a bad contract and only in year 2.
- canucksfan1944


there is a common theme with all of these free agents who signed multi year contracts.
Lindenis#1
Vancouver Canucks
Location: he's (frank)in unstable so mrs dt is freaking out, AB
Joined: 07.22.2007

Nov 26 @ 3:05 PM ET
there is a common theme with all of these free agents who signed multi year contracts.
- Codes1087


Maybe that they're always a terrible no good idea unless you're "one piece" away and are able to correctly identify that "one piece"

if only some people have been saying this for years.
Lindenis#1
Vancouver Canucks
Location: he's (frank)in unstable so mrs dt is freaking out, AB
Joined: 07.22.2007

Nov 26 @ 3:06 PM ET
Alzner on waivers. Now that’s a bad contract and only in year 2.
- canucksfan1944


This place, two summers ago.

"Alzner would be a great signing. Steady defensive presence. Lockdown/shutdown type D. Can fight. Could give him more offensive opportunity than Washington. Put Edler on waivers to make space."
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Nov 26 @ 3:08 PM ET
there is a common theme with all of these free agents who signed multi year contracts.
- Codes1087

They are all on Bennings Xmas list?
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Nov 26 @ 3:09 PM ET
Good God. You sure know how to get the hate turned on, on this fine Monday morning.
- thundachunk

Becoming a master.



lol
LeftCoaster
Utah Hockey Club
Location: Glendale AZ
Joined: 07.03.2009

Nov 26 @ 3:14 PM ET
Who is he going to hire?
- thundachunk

Chris Pronger
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Nov 26 @ 3:16 PM ET
Maybe that they're always a terrible no good idea unless you're "one piece" away and are able to correctly identify that "one piece"

if only some people have been saying this for years.

- Lindenis#1


why does that "one piece" have to be a multi year deal? And name one ufa who hit a multi year deal that has actually proven to be remotely close to being worth it.

Eriksson, Backes, Brouwer, Alzner, John Moore, Kevin Shattenkirk, Belesky, Kevan Smith, Lucic, Jack Johnson, Gagner, Kulikov

being "one piece" away to me leans more towards signing a 1 or 2 year max serviceable contract. I honestly hope the Canucks NEVER sign a free agent for more than 2 years ever again.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Nov 26 @ 3:16 PM ET
They are all on Bennings Xmas list?
- CanuckDon


wait till we put a claim on Karl Alzner
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Nov 26 @ 3:19 PM ET
why does that "one piece" have to be a multi year deal? And name one ufa who hit a multi year deal that has actually proven to be remotely close to being worth it.

Eriksson, Backes, Brouwer, Alzner, John Moore, Kevin Shattenkirk, Belesky, Kevan Smith, Lucic, Jack Johnson, Gagner, Kulikov

being "one piece" away to me leans more towards signing a 1 or 2 year max serviceable contract. I honestly hope the Canucks NEVER sign a free agent for more than 2 years ever again.

- Codes1087

James Neal.
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Nov 26 @ 3:21 PM ET
Chris Pronger
- LeftCoaster

Gary Roberts
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Nov 26 @ 3:23 PM ET
James Neal.
- LordHumungous


there is too many lol

it's weird. The two most productive UFA forwards under Benning's tenure as GM were signed to 1 and 2 year deals (Vanek and Vrbata). Also weird that CBJ got the most productive version of gagner on a 1 year, 600k league minimum "show me" deal, and we get AHL calibre Gagner on a 3 year? Super strange
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Nov 26 @ 3:23 PM ET
They are all on Bennings Xmas list?
- CanuckDon

https://twitter.com/benningnthejets?lang=en

4th one down...

LeftCoaster
Utah Hockey Club
Location: Glendale AZ
Joined: 07.03.2009

Nov 26 @ 3:27 PM ET
Gary Roberts
- thundachunk

Chris is working with the Panthers organization as their 'senior advisor of hockey operations', Gary is running a personal training business....I'm sticking with Pronger.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Nov 26 @ 3:27 PM ET
there is too many lol

it's weird. The two most productive UFA forwards under Benning's tenure as GM were signed to 1 and 2 year deals (Vanek and Vrbata). Also weird that CBJ got the most productive version of gagner on a 1 year, 600k league minimum "show me" deal, and we get AHL calibre Gagner on a 3 year? Super strange

- Codes1087

lol I was just going to cite Vanek and Vrbata as wins you must have been editing...
Lindenis#1
Vancouver Canucks
Location: he's (frank)in unstable so mrs dt is freaking out, AB
Joined: 07.22.2007

Nov 26 @ 3:29 PM ET
why does that "one piece" have to be a multi year deal? And name one ufa who hit a multi year deal that has actually proven to be remotely close to being worth it.

Eriksson, Backes, Brouwer, Alzner, John Moore, Kevin Shattenkirk, Belesky, Kevan Smith, Lucic, Jack Johnson, Gagner, Kulikov

being "one piece" away to me leans more towards signing a 1 or 2 year max serviceable contract. I honestly hope the Canucks NEVER sign a free agent for more than 2 years ever again.

- Codes1087


Kane. Radulov. Tavares.

If you want to go further back you can look at guys like Hamhuis or Chara.

Lots of players have done fine and aren't hurting their teams. Okposo, Stastny, Suter, JVR, Marleau, etc.

Kovalchuk was looking great until Willie became coach and decided that he was a 4th liner despite leading the team in scoring.

There are lots of good UFA deals. Its just that everything thinks they're signing the "good one" and usually they aren't. And quite often there were tons of red flags pointing to a poor decision ignored along the way.
Lindenis#1
Vancouver Canucks
Location: he's (frank)in unstable so mrs dt is freaking out, AB
Joined: 07.22.2007

Nov 26 @ 3:31 PM ET
there is too many lol

it's weird. The two most productive UFA forwards under Benning's tenure as GM were signed to 1 and 2 year deals (Vanek and Vrbata). Also weird that CBJ got the most productive version of gagner on a 1 year, 600k league minimum "show me" deal, and we get AHL calibre Gagner on a 3 year? Super strange

- Codes1087


I think Gagner has been fine.

3 mil is a bit expensive, but the Canucks have this habit of getting a player who found success somewhere playing a particular role and then deciding to never use them that way again.

It isn't easy to find someone who can pretend to be a top6 forward while you're rebuilding and he's always been a good PP player when used as the halfwall QB or bumper player. Not his fault Newell Brown looked at his RH shot and went "OVECHKIN!!!!!!!"
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Nov 26 @ 3:32 PM ET
Kane. Radulov. Tavares.

If you want to go further back you can look at guys like Hamhuis or Chara.

Lots of players have done fine and aren't hurting their teams. Okposo, Stastny, Suter, JVR, Marleau, etc.

Kovalchuk was looking great until Willie became coach and decided that he was a 4th liner despite leading the team in scoring.

There are lots of good UFA deals. Its just that everything thinks they're signing the "good one" and usually they aren't. And quite often there were tons of red flags pointing to a poor decision ignored along the way.

- Lindenis#1


Hossa as well.

Kovy was cold before Willy got there, but he sure hasn't helped him.
Lindenis#1
Vancouver Canucks
Location: he's (frank)in unstable so mrs dt is freaking out, AB
Joined: 07.22.2007

Nov 26 @ 3:33 PM ET
Hossa as well.

Kovy was cold before Willy got there, but he sure hasn't helped him.

- NewYorkNuck


Hossa yep. There are more but I don't want to go team by team player by player year by year.

Seriously though, (frank)ing Willie with Kovalchuk. The guy had 13 points in 15 games. Willie becomes coach, almost immediately demotes him to the 4th line, gives him basically no PP time and now has 1 point in 8 games or whatever it is since WD is coach.

There is no one better at self sabotaging his roster than Willie.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Nov 26 @ 3:38 PM ET
Kane. Radulov. Tavares.

If you want to go further back you can look at guys like Hamhuis or Chara.

Lots of players have done fine and aren't hurting their teams. Okposo, Stastny, Suter, JVR, Marleau, etc.

Kovalchuk was looking great until Willie became coach and decided that he was a 4th liner despite leading the team in scoring.

There are lots of good UFA deals. Its just that everything thinks they're signing the "good one" and usually they aren't. And quite often there were tons of red flags pointing to a poor decision ignored along the way.

- Lindenis#1


you citing Tavares is technically the same, as he went to UFA, but the difference between him and the rest of the schmucks, is that they were purposively not signed. Kane never went to UFA. Radulov the same as Tavares (MTL actively tried to sign him but he chose DAL for more money/tax reasons).

Kovalchuk is a bum and should be lumped into the category with the other bums.
JVR has 4 points this season..
Marleau has been decent good, but he also plays with some pretty fantastic wingers.
Okposo has been healthy scratched
Suter is 33, signed until he is 39/40. at 7.5 mill.
Zach Parise is 34, signed until he is 40/41, at 7.5

Not here to ratio you here, but if you are leaning heavily on JVR/Radulov/Tavares as your main counterpoints to how signing UFAs to longer term contracts is beneficial, well, you do you man lol
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Nov 26 @ 3:38 PM ET
Kane. Radulov. Tavares.

If you want to go further back you can look at guys like Hamhuis or Chara.

Lots of players have done fine and aren't hurting their teams. Okposo, Stastny, Suter, JVR, Marleau, etc.

Kovalchuk was looking great until Willie became coach and decided that he was a 4th liner despite leading the team in scoring.

There are lots of good UFA deals. Its just that everything thinks they're signing the "good one" and usually they aren't. And quite often there were tons of red flags pointing to a poor decision ignored along the way.

- Lindenis#1

Some things never change.
Shall we take bets on how long it is before he's canned?
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Nov 26 @ 3:39 PM ET
I think Gagner has been fine.

3 mil is a bit expensive, but the Canucks have this habit of getting a player who found success somewhere playing a particular role and then deciding to never use them that way again.

It isn't easy to find someone who can pretend to be a top6 forward while you're rebuilding and he's always been a good PP player when used as the halfwall QB or bumper player. Not his fault Newell Brown looked at his RH shot and went "OVECHKIN!!!!!!!"

- Lindenis#1


Gagner has been fine?!?! The dude has played half this season for the Marlies?!?!
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