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leonkennedy
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 3 cups in 5 years = DYNASTY
Joined: 04.13.2012

Nov 18 @ 6:07 PM ET
It SHOULD be an even younger team, really. Give the job to Viveiros, trade Yamamoto and a pick for a top-6 guy (Toffoli), call-up Benson and Puljujarvi in mid-to-late December and run the lines as follows:

Nuge- McDavid- Puljujarvi
Benson- Draisaitl- Top 6
Rieder- Spooner- Chiasson
Caggiula- Khaira- Kassian
Lucic, Brodziak

Top 6- Draisaitl- McDavid
Larsson- Nuge

Spooner- Puljujarvi- Benson
Rattie- Klefbom

EDIT: Hell, maybe even:

Spooner- McDavid- Puljujarvi
Rieder- Draisaitl- Top 6
Benson- Nuge- Chiasson
Caggiula- Khaira- Kassian
Lucic, Brodziak

- MaximumBone

Remember what I taught you last year. You slice horizontally for attention and vertically if you're serious. When PC and Tmac are still with the Oil at Xmas, you will need to remember this.
leonkennedy
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 3 cups in 5 years = DYNASTY
Joined: 04.13.2012

Nov 18 @ 6:11 PM ET
A few very nice selections (Cholowski!), but basically 1/17th Oil, which is half your interest in Panthers or T.B.?! Or does Dr. Lion as the big German being count more?
- VeryModernMan

You talking about me again?
Flamin_Irishmin
Calgary Flames
Location: Victoria B.C., BC
Joined: 09.15.2015

Nov 18 @ 6:17 PM ET
It could have been something like:

Hall-McDavid-Drai
Maroon-Barzal-Eberle
Rieder-RNH-Caggiula
Lucic-Khaira-Pulju

Petry-Klefbom
Sekera-Nurse
Shultz-Russell

Dubnyk
Koskinen

Just playin’ around here 😇

Who am I missing here?
Flamin_Irishmin
Calgary Flames
Location: Victoria B.C., BC
Joined: 09.15.2015

Nov 18 @ 6:18 PM ET
Remember what I taught you last year. You slice horizontally for attention and vertically if you're serious. When PC and Tmac are still with the Oil at Xmas, you will need to remember this.
- leonkennedy

🤯
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Nov 18 @ 6:20 PM ET
Dallas Eakins......nuff said.
- leonkennedy

He wasn't a successful junior coach, though. He was a pretty average AHL coach that got a bunch of attention for coaching a veteran-heavy AHL team deep into the playoffs. He was regarded by some in the media as the next big thing in coaching but any objective assessment of his coaching in the AHL would show that he leaned on veterans (Hamilton, Zigomanis, Kostka, Aucoin, etc). However, he did have a reputation of coaching some young guys well, but NONE of that translated to the Oilers.
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Nov 18 @ 6:23 PM ET
It could have been something like:

Hall (6)-McDavid (12.5)-Drai (8.5)
Maroon (1.75)-Barzal (ELC)-Eberle (6)
Rieder (2)-RNH (6)-Caggiula (1.5)
Lucic (6)-Khaira (675k)-Pulju (ELC)

Petry (5.5)-Klefbom (4.16)
Sekera (5.5)-Nurse (3.2)
Shultz (5)-Russell (4)

Dubnyk (5)
Koskinen (2.5)

Just playin’ around here 😇

Who am I missing here?

- Flamin_Irishmin

No, it couldn't be. That's WAY over the cap and a lot of things would've been different had Hall been retained. We've discussed this ad nauseum before; getting into it does no one any good.
Flamin_Irishmin
Calgary Flames
Location: Victoria B.C., BC
Joined: 09.15.2015

Nov 18 @ 6:27 PM ET
I remember Paul Maurice getting heckled for years for playing ALL his young guys and having a loosing record. Chevy still has faith in him and extended him for 3 years. Started the next year 0-5-1, I thought Maurice was going to get fired by game 10, butt they took off like gang busters after then and look where they are now..

TMac playing that one kid 3:25 is just ridiculous.

Who do you guys (and gals for Jero) want to be your next head coach? New blood or Old?..
Flamin_Irishmin
Calgary Flames
Location: Victoria B.C., BC
Joined: 09.15.2015

Nov 18 @ 6:29 PM ET
No, it couldn't be. That's WAY over the cap and a lot of things would've been different had Hall been retained. We've discussed this ad nauseum before; getting into it does no one any good.
- MaximumBone

Thanks for the numbers Max, sometimes I like you!
RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.17.2013

Nov 18 @ 6:31 PM ET
I remember Paul Maurice getting heckled for years for playing ALL his young guys and having a loosing record. Chevy still has faith in him and extended him for 3 years. Started the next year 0-5-1, I thought Maurice was going to get fired by game 10, butt they took off like gang busters after then and look where they are now..

TMac playing that one kid 3:25 is just ridiculous.

Who do you guys (and gals for Jero) want to be your next head coach? New blood or Old?..

- Flamin_Irishmin


Newer coach without a doubt....this is a young team and needs a coach that fits the current roster....Todd is more of a veteran team coach where he doesn’t have to deal with as many younger guys
Flamin_Irishmin
Calgary Flames
Location: Victoria B.C., BC
Joined: 09.15.2015

Nov 18 @ 6:36 PM ET
Newer coach without a doubt....this is a young team and needs a coach that fits the current roster....Todd is more of a veteran team coach where he doesn’t have to deal with as many younger guys
- RatedR80

I agree, butt what about AV? He’s pretty good with younger guys isn’t he?
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Nov 18 @ 6:37 PM ET
I remember Paul Maurice getting heckled for years for playing ALL his young guys and having a loosing record. Chevy still has faith in him and extended him for 3 years. Started the next year 0-5-1, I thought Maurice was going to get fired by game 10, butt they took off like gang busters after then and look where they are now..

TMac playing that one kid 3:25 is just ridiculous.

Who do you guys (and gals for Jero) want to be your next head coach? New blood or Old?..

- Flamin_Irishmin

Good thought on Maurice. Kinda gives perspective to a degree of patience that's needed when developing a young team.

Manny Viveiros seems like he had a lot of hype coming in so I've gotta think that management believes in him so maybe he makes sense. I'm not at all confident that he's the answer, but if it gets us away from Todd and into a guy better equipped to tackle the modern NHL both in systems and actual personability, then I'll take it. My thing isn't "bring in the best coach" because I don't think there's an objective measure that one can use to quantify the quality of a coach. You can infer based on a number of factors, but it's an inexact process.

That's why I just want any different coach that has a track record of developing and allowing young players to play. Todd Nelson comes to mind because he's the last guy I saw do that in Edmonton. Someone the players will trust and go to war for so we can get the best out of the players we have- Puljujarvi in particular.
RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.17.2013

Nov 18 @ 6:43 PM ET
I agree, butt what about AV? He’s pretty good with younger guys isn’t he?
- Flamin_Irishmin


Personally I would like to get away from a “name” coach and go in a different direction....you see it with younger teams now where the gm brings in a successful junior coach....to Max’s point we might even have that guy as one of our assistants already in Viveiros....what would it hurt to try at this point it’s not like we are a cup contender
RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.17.2013

Nov 18 @ 6:45 PM ET
It SHOULD be an even younger team, really. Give the job to Viveiros, trade Yamamoto and a pick for a top-6 guy (Toffoli), call-up Benson and Puljujarvi in mid-to-late December and run the lines as follows:

Nuge- McDavid- Puljujarvi
Benson- Draisaitl- Top 6
Rieder- Spooner- Chiasson
Caggiula- Khaira- Kassian
Lucic, Brodziak

Top 6- Draisaitl- McDavid
Larsson- Nuge

Spooner- Puljujarvi- Benson
Rattie- Klefbom

EDIT: Hell, maybe even:

Spooner- McDavid- Puljujarvi
Rieder- Draisaitl- Top 6
Benson- Nuge- Chiasson
Caggiula- Khaira- Kassian
Lucic, Brodziak

- MaximumBone


Hey at least with a new coach they would get longer then one game to see if it worked before the mighty Lucic made his return to the line up
RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.17.2013

Nov 18 @ 6:45 PM ET
Dallas Eakins......nuff said.
- leonkennedy


Greatest coach ever
Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

Nov 18 @ 6:46 PM ET
Awwwwnnn... don’t be so sad piggy..

Life is so much brighter down south. We happily accept you into the fold you cute little bacon butt.

Once you get over your stigmatisms, you’ll realize your in a much better place here.

In classic Chia fashion, we will trade Hunkulese
1 for 1 for you. Welcome friend!!!

- Flamin_Irishmin


Me for Hunk is more lopsided than the Reinhart trade. No way am I gifting the Flames a win of that magnitude.
Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

Nov 18 @ 6:47 PM ET
Greatest coach ever
- RatedR80


Well he got us McDavid, so I can’t totally hate him.
RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.17.2013

Nov 18 @ 6:50 PM ET
Well he got us McDavid, so I can’t totally hate him.
- Wildschwein


Ah man that’s a disgusting avi right there....like Todd’s level of understanding awful
Squilliam-
Calgary Flames
Location: Diagon Alley
Joined: 10.25.2016

Nov 18 @ 6:55 PM ET
Tkachuk is a superstar boys
Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

Nov 18 @ 6:56 PM ET
Ah man that’s a disgusting avi right there....like Todd’s level of understanding awful
- RatedR80


Could be worse. My avi could have been Todd himself.
Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

Nov 18 @ 6:56 PM ET
Tkachuk is a superstar and a colossal wiener.
- Squilliam-


Fixed.
RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.17.2013

Nov 18 @ 6:57 PM ET
Tkachuk is a superstar boys
- Squilliam-


Hey if we had him we would love him with all of his antics....but we don’t have him so he can go (frank) himself
RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.17.2013

Nov 18 @ 6:59 PM ET
Could be worse. My avi could have been Todd himself.
- Wildschwein


This is true with everything he could have went with you got off light
RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.17.2013

Nov 18 @ 7:03 PM ET
https://twitter.com/Isuck.../1060582796551471105?s=20

This might work
Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

Nov 18 @ 7:05 PM ET
https://twitter.com/Isuck.../1060582796551471105?s=20

This might work

- RatedR80


RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.17.2013

Nov 18 @ 7:07 PM ET

- Wildschwein


That guy has some golden stuff on his Twitter....should check it out sometime if you need a laugh
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