The fact that you can even debate that Kessel is the best player (he can't hear you from the Stanley cup rings in his ears), means it is not even in the conversation for the worst deals of all time.

Like I said, Leafs won many years of that deal. They lost long term but MANY deals have worked out that way.

It was ill advised to trade away the future when Burke did because the team was nowhere near contending. The deal itself was nowhere near horrible.

Not like Rask for Raycroft, or whatever Milbury traded Lol-own-goal for, or Gomez for McDonagh, or Hall for Larsson. It is not even in the conversation with those deals.


The ONLY reason it is brought up as being that level of bad is because it was the Leafs.
- Aetherial

I think its brought up because it ended up being for Seguin and Hamilton. If the picks turned out to be Yakupov and Jared Cowen no one would complain about the deal..

The Leafs, gave up a #1 C and a #1D for a 1st line winger.

It is.
He also did the same with Averagesen, Z and another player.
No controversy here...just stupid Toronto media.
- Fakepartofme

Exactly.

I really don't understand the issue. poop is going to happen over a long and intense season.

Hell, I have had a couple blowouts with my boss and we have a great relationship.

The fact that you can even debate that Kessel is the best player (he can't hear you from the Stanley cup rings in his ears), means it is not even in the conversation for the worst deals of all time.

Like I said, Leafs won many years of that deal. They lost long term but MANY deals have worked out that way.

It was ill advised to trade away the future when Burke did because the team was nowhere near contending. The deal itself was nowhere near horrible.

Not like Rask for Raycroft, or whatever Milbury traded Lol-own-goal for, or Gomez for McDonagh, or Hall for Larsson. It is not even in the conversation with those deals.

The ONLY reason it is brought up as being that level of bad is because it was the Leafs.
- Aetherial

No its a horrible trade and the leafs lost every year of that trade.
Burke admitted he incorrectly assessed the leafs D at the time and thought Kessel would put them into the position to win and make SC run.
Leafs made the playoffs once, in a shortened year...most likely not in a full year.

The deal Burke that he was making was two 1st (in the 16 - 25 range) and mid 2nd rounder. Not a bad deal for the player Kessel turned out to be.

The actual deal itself turned out to be a top 2 pick, a top 10 pick and early 2nd rounder. HORRIBLE DEAL!
I like Kessel, but the deal turned out to be horrible.

I think its brought up because it ended up being for Seguin and Hamilton. If the picks turned out to be Yakupov and Jared Cowen no one would complain about the deal..

The Leafs, gave up a #1 C and a #1D for a 1st line winger.
- PatC80

the key is "ended up", after a number of years. Kessel was the best player in that deal for many years.

Like I said, as of today, it doesn't look great, but Kessel was far from a bust and that means this deal should be nowhere in the conversation of "worst hockey trades"

No on JvR, and De Haan is a left-handed D-man, we need RHD. Other than that, I agree we need to trade Gardiner.
- PatC80

if gardiner is out, we'll need a LH dman to replace him imo.

No its a horrible trade and the leafs lost every year of that trade.
Burke admitted he incorrectly assessed the leafs D at the time and thought Kessel would put them into the position to win and make SC run.
Leafs made the playoffs once, in a shortened year...most likely not in a full year.

The deal Burke that he was making was two 1st (in the 16 - 25 range) and mid 2nd rounder. Not a bad deal for the player Kessel turned out to be.

The actual deal itself turned out to be a top 2 pick, a top 10 pick and early 2nd rounder. HORRIBLE DEAL!
I like Kessel, but the deal turned out to be horrible.
- Fakepartofme

Yeah, I won't bother to re-iterate my point anymore.

the key is "ended up", after a number of years. Kessel was the best player in that deal for many years.

Like I said, as of today, it doesn't look great, but Kessel was far from a bust and that means this deal should be nowhere in the conversation of "worst hockey trades"
- Aetherial

Year 2 of the trade, Seguin already had a better production than Kessel.

Like I said, not the worst trade of all time.... but pretty god damn bad.

What stats point to TB being terrible defensively during the reg season?

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- Garnie

I dont know
is this a trick question?

the key is "ended up", after a number of years. Kessel was the best player in that deal for many years.

Like I said, as of today, it doesn't look great, but Kessel was far from a bust and that means this deal should be nowhere in the conversation of "worst hockey trades"
- Aetherial

It was a bad trade 8 months after it was made.
We traded what turned out to be a number 1C...which every team covets....and we needed for almost a decade.
Then a year after that.....the other 1st turned out to be what would be a top end D....which is what every team covets....and we need right now.

Like I said...two mid to late round 1st and 2nd for player to put you over the top is a decent deal...but none of the above occurred. None.
Instead Boston won a cup with Seguin.
Leafs did nothing....and accomplished nothing.

I think its brought up because it ended up being for Seguin and Hamilton. If the picks turned out to be Yakupov and Jared Cowen no one would complain about the deal..

The Leafs, gave up a #1 C and a #1D for a 1st line winger.
- PatC80

The Kessel trade also has a foul odor to it because the leafs didnt have any success the whole time he was a Leaf.

Makes it seem much worse than it is..just analyzing the deal alone

Yeah, I won't bother to re-iterate my point anymore.
- Aetherial

the point is the actual deal...not what it was suppose to be or should have been.
Its the actual deal.
A top 2 pick, a top 10 pick and the 32nd pick.

In return we got a great scorer but nothing else.

I dont know
is this a trick question?
- senstroll

lol..no...I've seen people post it a couple times...I don't get it...but was just wondering if there's a stat I'm not looking at or something.

It was a bad trade 8 months after it was made.
We traded what turned out to be a number 1C...which every team covets....and we needed for almost a decade.
Then a year after that.....the other 1st turned out to be what would be a top end D....which is what every team covets....and we need right now.

Like I said...two mid to late round 1st and 2nd for player to put you over the top is a decent deal...but none of the above occurred. None.
Instead Boston won a cup with Seguin.
Leafs did nothing....and accomplished nothing.
- Fakepartofme

I find it ironic how this trade now pains us both

It is a hab fan's wet dream

if gardiner is out, we'll need a LH dman to replace him imo.
- Tumbleweed

That's what Dermott is for..

On the left side;

Rielly
Dermott
Borgman
Hainsey
Rosen

On the right side;
Zaitsev
Polak
Carrick
Holl

We need moar help on the right side;

I find it ironic how this trade now pains us both

It is a hab fan's wet dream
- RickJames77

You know it.

What is really hilarious is that the Kessel deal was not even remotely close to one of the worst deals of all time.

Long-term, the Leafs lost the deal, sure. But they won the deal easily for the first 5 years or so. The timing of the deal was poor, no question.

People forget how good Kessel is. You could make the argument that he was and is the best player in that deal. Conventional wisdom always suggests whoever got the best player won the deal... except when it is the Leafs apparently.
- Aetherial

The lost the deal about 8 - 10 months later.
He was only the best player in the deal at the time cause it involved 3 picks going the other way.
Seguin became the better player.

Anywho, its done and over with.

Lets see what deal Dubas can do this off season to improve our D.

You know it.
- Scabeh

Quite you, the adults are speaking.....

You know what would have prevented that trade from being laughable?

If Burke had simply top 5 protected the pick he traded.

But he didn't.

So it will remain hilarious.

Forever.


- Scabeh

Like McDonaugh for Gomez.

Forever hilarious.



Also how's your sons playoff brackets? He destroy you yet?

Quite you, the adults are speaking.....
- bobbyisno1

That's what Dermott is for..

On the left side;

Rielly
Dermott
Borgman
Hainsey
Rosen

On the right side;
Zaitsev
Polak
Carrick
Holl

We need moar help on the right side;
- PatC80

Ugh ...that doesnt look good at all.

And where did Gardiner?

You know it.
- Scabeh

Until I read that Seguin became the better player I actually thought the adults were speaking.

That's what Dermott is for..

On the left side;

Rielly
Dermott
Borgman
Hainsey
Rosen

On the right side;
Zaitsev
Polak
Carrick
Holl

We need moar help on the right side;
- PatC80

dremott was fine on the bottom pair. not sure he's ready for top 4.

borgman lost his job to dermott caused he sucked.

hainsey plays the right side.

other than picking up a rh dman prospect, i'm not sure we're getting help on that side this year.

- RickJames77

- RickJames77

Dont be "typo guy" today RJ.

Ugh ...that doesnt look good at all.

And where did Gardiner?
- Fakepartofme

Gardiner has been traded...


...by many people on here