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mauryballstein
Vancouver Canucks
Location: vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.12.2015

Dec 31 @ 2:11 PM ET
I watched the Northeastern game last night, man Gaudette is a monster. He really is the full package and I'm pretty sure he's close to being NHL ready. Although he only had an assist, he had the game on his shoulders. He got wheels, plays smart defensively, got a monster of a shot (plays the off wing on the PP like Boeser), he actually hit 2 posts off one timers. He plays a lot of minutes in all situations and does it with heart, really looking forward to him in a Nucks jersey next year as I don't think its worth it to burn a year of ELC, I'd rather let him play out on the 4th line the same way HOrvat did.
- Brooks_Light

If isnt in the NHL next year id be shocked. Theres a reason he will probably be on the Olympic team. Like you said with his game he is plug and play, you can toss him in at the 4th line center spot next season.

Compare his numbers with Boeser they arent that different. They just play a different style of game.
hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

Dec 31 @ 2:12 PM ET
i am thinking if /when we trade a d-man. Looking at the stats EG and Tanev are very close to the same , coulple more points for Tanev more hits and pim's for EG, same amount of games.
i would keep EG and give him 4-5 on a 6-8 yr deal , essentially what we pay Tanev now and Tanev will get a raise in the near future , so over the term likely the same money. Gain a few years in age and alot toughness give up some fancy stat stuff.

But 1 has to go

- onesmallleap


starting to hate analytics...

I's sign Guddy for 5 years max at 5 mil.

I'm not sure how either Tanev and EG will age in regards to durability and speed/mobility

I remember Willie Mitchell when he walked, I didn't think the Canucks should resign him with his concussion history, but he still was effective, but never played a full season after he left Vancouver.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Dec 31 @ 2:16 PM ET
he's our 2nd leading scorer , he's on pace for 50-60 points and 20 plus goals .
i don't think your going to resign him less then 4+ mil , its what the going rate for point producers is

if you can convince him to resign at 2-3 for next year do it now and he'll give the team more value then a 3rd or 4th round pick will probably ever give the team

- onesmallleap


Vanek has been up and down no long term contracts sorry
vancity787
Vancouver Canucks
Location: My Parents Basement, BC
Joined: 07.14.2008

Dec 31 @ 2:16 PM ET
starting to hate analytics...

I's sign Guddy for 5 years max at 5 mil.

I'm not sure how either Tanev and EG will age in regards to durability and speed/mobility

I remember Willie Mitchell when he walked, I didn't think the Canucks should resign him with his concussion history, but he still was effective, but never played a full season after he left Vancouver.

- hillbillydeluxe

yikes 5 years at 5 mill?

We can agree to disagree....

If thats the case I'm letting him walk, or getting back a pick in return.
mauryballstein
Vancouver Canucks
Location: vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.12.2015

Dec 31 @ 2:16 PM ET
starting to hate analytics...

I's sign Guddy for 5 years max at 5 mil.

I'm not sure how either Tanev and EG will age in regards to durability and speed/mobility

I remember Willie Mitchell when he walked, I didn't think the Canucks should resign him with his concussion history, but he still was effective, but never played a full season after he left Vancouver.

- hillbillydeluxe

Mitchell was better than EG. EG is a bottom pairing guy not worth anything close 5 years or 5 million.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Dec 31 @ 2:16 PM ET
he's our 2nd leading scorer , he's on pace for 50-60 points and 20 plus goals .
i don't think your going to resign him less then 4+ mil , its what the going rate for point producers is

- onesmallleap

Like I said Jagr had 46 points last season and could barely get a contract.

Boyle, Hanzal, Eaves only 30 plus year olds that got more then 2 million per season this offseason. All can skate better then Vanek. Hanzal at 4.75 is looking pretty bad right now and he's 3 years younger.

Vanek was probably 2nd in scoring on the Red Wings last season and he fetched a 3rd round pick. Does that sound like a guy who should be paid 4+ million a season?

48 points last season and took 2 million.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Dec 31 @ 2:18 PM ET
If isnt in the NHL next year id be shocked. Theres a reason he will probably be on the Olympic team. Like you said with his game he is plug and play, you can toss him in at the 4th line center spot next season.

Compare his numbers with Boeser they arent that different. They just play a different style of game.

- mauryballstein

Can he beat out Chaput is the real question?
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Dec 31 @ 2:19 PM ET
yikes 5 years at 5 mill?

We can agree to disagree....

If thats the case I'm letting him walk, or getting back a pick in return.

- vancity787

Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Dec 31 @ 2:19 PM ET
He has grown up now but you can find that type of player like Hornqvist or Maroon type or maybe Gadjovich
- VANTEL

hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

Dec 31 @ 2:20 PM ET
yikes 5 years at 5 mill?

We can agree to disagree....

If thats the case I'm letting him walk, or getting back a pick in return.

- vancity787


This is with the assumption that Tanev is on the way out.

I think EG can be very effective with the right partner.

If he isn't slotted into the top 4 then I wouldn't resign him. it is too much money to pay a 3rd pairing dman.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Dec 31 @ 2:26 PM ET
This is with the assumption that Tanev is on the way out.

I think EG can be very effective with the right partner.

If he isn't slotted into the top 4 then I wouldn't resign him. it is too much money to pay a 3rd pairing dman.

- hillbillydeluxe


I don't like the abuse he takes on social media . People like to pile on but even I know he has not met expectations. I find it hard to justify 3.5 mil for him . That would be my max. He could easily turn out to be like Cody Franson
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Dec 31 @ 2:27 PM ET
This is with the assumption that Tanev is on the way out.

I think EG can be very effective with the right partner.

If he isn't slotted into the top 4 then I wouldn't resign him. it is too much money to pay a 3rd pairing dman.

- hillbillydeluxe

On Erik Gudbranson>

Deal is getting VERY Close I am told...So close that it is likely in the next few days...Sounds like the Leafs and Sabres are the closest...followed by the NY Islanders...

Let's start debating the offers
mauryballstein
Vancouver Canucks
Location: vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.12.2015

Dec 31 @ 2:27 PM ET
Can he beat out Chaput is the real question?
- VANTEL

Could Wayne at this point?!?
mauryballstein
Vancouver Canucks
Location: vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.12.2015

Dec 31 @ 2:29 PM ET
I don't like the abuse he takes on social media . People like to pile on but even I know he has not met expectations. I find it hard to justify 3.5 mil for him . That would be my max. He could easily turn out to be like Cody Franson
- VANTEL

yeah a 3x3 deal would be okay. I just think a guy like that can be replaced in free agency especially for a rebuilding team.

If were a tampa bay type team then id look to resign him but where we are we need the assets. Trade him and make him an offer this summer if the price isnt crazy.
Brooks_Light
Joined: 08.13.2015

Dec 31 @ 2:30 PM ET
Last year when Vanek got traded he fetched a 3rd and Dylan McIlrath (a career AHLer)
and he had 38 pts in 48 games which is quite similar to this years numbers. Realistically, if we just took the pic i think it would be a 2nd. In the long run i think it would be more beneficial to get the pick then re-signing him while the team continues to blow and not make the playoffs - I don't see why he would want to stay either. If I were him, I'd wanna be on a contender for one or two last shots at a cup given his age.
onesmallleap
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Be Calm n Swede On, BC
Joined: 09.23.2015

Dec 31 @ 2:30 PM ET
On Erik Gudbranson>

Deal is getting VERY Close I am told...So close that it is likely in the next few days...Sounds like the Leafs and Sabres are the closest...followed by the NY Islanders...

Let's start debating the offers

- manvanfan

it'll be Isles most likely , where you here this?

NVM got me there , so he'll be resigning and it's Tanev on the way out
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Dec 31 @ 2:32 PM ET
On Erik Gudbranson>

Deal is getting VERY Close I am told...So close that it is likely in the next few days...Sounds like the Leafs and Sabres are the closest...followed by the NY Islanders...

Let's start debating the offers

- manvanfan


I will take Mittlestadt

EG for A Nylander

boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Dec 31 @ 2:33 PM ET
Almost 400 votes and 53%in favor of keeping Vanek. I don’t understand 53% of you.
- neem55


You? Try and remember that the votes are collected on HB and not IP specific to the LM of BC.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Dec 31 @ 2:33 PM ET
it'll be Isles most likely , where you here this?
- onesmallleap

Front page of HB.

Read somewhere else the other day that the rumour was Andrew Nielsen + for Guds to TML. Which TML are at 50 contracts and only have 3.3 million in cap space.

So a deal like Nielsen, Fehr (2 million, expiring) and a 2nd (they have two)
Brooks_Light
Joined: 08.13.2015

Dec 31 @ 2:34 PM ET
On Erik Gudbranson>

Deal is getting VERY Close I am told...So close that it is likely in the next few days...Sounds like the Leafs and Sabres are the closest...followed by the NY Islanders...

Let's start debating the offers

- manvanfan


Leafs have 2, 2nd round picks.
NYIs have 2, 1sts and 2, 2nds
Buf has their normal 1st, 2nd, no 3rd
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Dec 31 @ 2:35 PM ET
There are more players looking for jobs than there are jobs waiting for players. There is no reason the Canucks should be signing ufa’s to deals longer then 1 year at this point.

At the deadline, all the guys they just signed should be available, they shouldn’t retain salary on any contract that isn’t expiring and they should plan to take advantage of teams close to the cap by taking on bad contracts - though this last bit likely happens in the off season.

- 1970vintage

All of this. Every bit.
hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

Dec 31 @ 2:35 PM ET
On Erik Gudbranson>

Deal is getting VERY Close I am told...So close that it is likely in the next few days...Sounds like the Leafs and Sabres are the closest...followed by the NY Islanders...

Let's start debating the offers

- manvanfan




I wanna see some deals, we know change is coming on the backend.
Bakwas
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.22.2012

Dec 31 @ 2:36 PM ET
It’s one freaking game, Vanek doesn’t belong in the top 6. Having him here or not won’t change Boesers growth as a player in any significant way.
- 1970vintage


Exactly, I'm not sure what people are thinking...we need to trade this guy and continue acquiring picks (I'm sounding like lefty) no matter what. Vanek will def be worth a 2nd or at the very least a 3rd. People seem to forget how well JB did by trading Burrows and Hansen.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Dec 31 @ 2:38 PM ET
I watched the Northeastern game last night, man Gaudette is a monster. He really is the full package and I'm pretty sure he's close to being NHL ready. Although he only had an assist, he had the game on his shoulders. He got wheels, plays smart defensively, got a monster of a shot (plays the off wing on the PP like Boeser), he actually hit 2 posts off one timers. He plays a lot of minutes in all situations and does it with heart, really looking forward to him in a Nucks jersey next year as I don't think its worth it to burn a year of ELC, I'd rather let him play out on the 4th line the same way HOrvat did.
- Brooks_Light



Godette.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Dec 31 @ 2:38 PM ET
So there you have it. If these 77 skaters stay healthy, the 2017-18 season will easily surpass the down 2016-17 campaign could come close to doubling that number of skaters to score 60+ points, setting a new high since the last lockout in the process. Of course, health is always the main factor and the reason why players who were previously on pace for 60+ points (Jaden Schwartz, Mark Scheifele, Filip Forsberg, Logan Couture, Tyson Barrie) are currently impossible to project. They could just as easily bounce back quickly from injury and make this benchmark as they could struggle to return to health and miss it. Will all 75 of these players hit 60+ points? Probably not, though for each one that drops out, another player such as Thomas Vanek, Alex Pietrangelo, David Krejci, William Nylander or Brent Burns could go on a hot streak and jump right into the mix. For now, this is the the current picture in the race to 60 points.
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