its not a cop out. Its being realistic, see my most recent post. You have no players who are cracking top 25 in any major statistical field. Sedins aren't 1st line players, Bo may be 1st line center by default, but he is most certainly slated as a 2nd line center right now. Stop putting lipstick on a pig, call it what it is. We have no proper 1st line compared to the majority of the NHL teams. - Codes1087
You're not being realistic. The point is not having a contender 1st line now. It's putting together one to bump down the Sedins on this current losing team. Last seasons NHL stats don't apply to this issue. Just use career of LE and Gagner, now in prime, as viable options to emerging Bo. Explain why that line can't out do the Sedins this season.
This. The defense is also lacking high end talent. Tanev is a #2/#3 dman that needs a good PMD to make up for his lack of offense. Edler has declined/regressed and also can't carry a top 4 pairing, he needs to be the 2nd best dman on a pairing these days if he's getting top 4 mins.
Stecher/Hutton are skilled young dmen, but both are playing way bigger roles than they should be. On decent team, both guys are sheltered depth dmen with upside.
I like MDZ, I think he's a great fit with Tanev, but that's far from a legit #1 pairing. More like a great #2 pairing or below average #1 pairing.
Gudbranson, I'd rather not get into it again. But to me he's a #5 dman that can only play top 4 minutes if carried by a really good top 4 puck moving dman. - Nucker101
This is a realistic assessment. Far more refreshing then pom pom lipstick on pig quips that mean nothing.
Just was watching some of Vanek's goals from last season, the guy is still tough to move in front and still has the hand-eye. Scored a lot of goals from areas that VAN wasnt particularly successful in last season
- WhiteLie
If they sign Vanek my guess is it's to play with Sedins. I would prefer them to be marginalized into a 3rd line role that could mentor a Rodin, BB, Goldy to become NHL players. A dignified fade out for retirement. A Vanek signing probably will boost their role or make others more competitive. If it turns into a TDL trade then it's a win. If not then Sedin extensions seem very much in store.
Wavering is my least favourite quality in a GM, try to get your deal but after a while time is not in your favour. The longer this drags on, the longer it takes to start building - similar to many people's opinions of the Sedins.
Joe Thornton was traded to SJ in 2005 in an awful deal but 6 years later they hoisted the cup based on moves they made after the fact, not based on the players they directly acquired in the move http://thehockeywriters.c...ton-trade-10-years-later/ - WhiteLie
Thornton was traded in a terrible deal and the Bruins did win the Cup in 2011 but other than the same team being involved I don't see the point you are trying to make. Maybe that a GM can make a terrible move and still win the Cup?
I don't see the connection to a GM wavering and that team succes, they are separate entities IMO.
You're not being realistic. The point is not having a contender 1st line now. It's putting together one to bump down the Sedins on this current losing team. Last seasons NHL stats don't apply to this issue. Just use career of LE and Gagner, now in prime, as viable options to emerging Bo. Explain why that line can't out do the Sedins this season. - Nuck4U
pot calling the kettle.... well... nvm..
You asked a question, I answered. You asked who our first line is now, I said we don't have one. If a 1st line center doesn't produce at a 1st line center level, is he really a first line center? If a first line winger is producing at a rate of a 3rd line winger, is he really a first line winger?
AND BTW - you will never find anyone MORE realistic about this dogpoop roster than me. I am not hear to wave any pom poms, and lather a fat pig in lipstick and call her babe.
You asked a question, I answered. You asked who our first line is now, I said we don't have one. If a 1st line center doesn't produce at a 1st line center level, is he really a first line center? If a first line winger is producing at a rate of a 3rd line winger, is he really a first line winger?
AND BTW - you will never find anyone MORE realistic about this dogpoop roster than me. I am not hear to wave any pom poms, and lather a fat pig in lipstick and call her babe. - Codes1087
Exactly. Our "first line" players are all well below the league average of the league. Bottom five for sure. Our top-6 in general. Who fills those positions is a moot point, as their underperformance doesn't really allow them to be refered to a top line. We have two lines that play about even, both of them are around or below the league average for 2nd line points production/icetime so it is very accurate, realistic even, to say we have two 2nd lines as our top6.
Exactly. Our "first line" players are all well below the league average of the league. Bottom five for sure. Our top-6 in general. Who fills those positions is a moot point, as their underperformance doesn't really allow them to be refered to a top line. We have two lines that play about even, both of them are around or below the league average for 2nd line points production/icetime so it is very accurate, realistic even, to say we have two 2nd lines as our top6. - neem55
honestly, we have people saying that our replacement or "new" first line should possibly consist of 2 free agents that we signed in LE and SG. I am not going to sit here and say they are bad players, but I am not going to say I am convinced that they are any sort of answer to our problem. Really, if two free agents consist of 2/3rds of your top line, you're really not doing it right.
honestly, we have people saying that our replacement or "new" first line should possibly consist of 2 free agents that we signed in LE and SG. I am not going to sit here and say they are bad players, but I am not going to say I am convinced that they are any sort of answer to our problem. Really, if two free agents consist of 2/3rds of your top line, you're really not doing it right. - Codes1087
You're only as good as your last season, the NHL is not a forgiving league. I don't see a single top line player on this roster period.
You asked a question, I answered. You asked who our first line is now, I said we don't have one. If a 1st line center doesn't produce at a 1st line center level, is he really a first line center? If a first line winger is producing at a rate of a 3rd line winger, is he really a first line winger?
AND BTW - you will never find anyone MORE realistic about this dogpoop roster than me. I am not hear to wave any pom poms, and lather a fat pig in lipstick and call her babe. - Codes1087
Leave it to a first liner to understand first liners
Well, I think were all aware of where I stand with that - neem55
who needs data, history, stats, charts, information when forming a cohesive lineup/roster in order to be successful/produce. Feelings and heart is all we need
