Of course I agree with these truths, but in honesty I have to admit I'm impressed by what the Pens have been able to do, without their number one franchise defenseman playing.

*walks away head hung in shame*
- Marc D

I think we all have to admit they done good without that guy.

(frank) the Rangers
(frank) the Penguins

Of course I agree with these truths, but in honesty I have to admit I'm impressed by what the Pens have been able to do, without their number one franchise defenseman playing.


- Marc D

Same. I turned the game off last night at 4-0 and only checked back in occasionally to see the score. Unless you're a Pens fan you can't call that game good or watchable. Anyway, while clicking to another channel I tried to muster some hate or disgust for the Pens (because otherwise I'm completely ambivalent toward them) and I just couldn't for the reason you cite. I was sure that injuries before and during the playoffs would decimate them. Somehow they've kept moving forward.

It's not fine to label Sanheim as "slow to develop" while ignoring the progress he has made season to season. Pretty sure that's the point Bill was making.

Making the comparisons to other team's top draft successes is just more of the same lazy hindsight bull poop that frequents these threads.
- Baxter27

I see it the way you do. Obviously with the length it takes 18 year olds to develop into the NHL player you hope for then they are drafted, of course 3 years in his drafts are still going to fall under incomplete. but the slow to develop part just shows lack of knowledge in my opinion

I think we all have to admit they done good without that guy.

(frank) the Rangers
(frank) the Penguins
- dragonoffrost

One team has a great offense and a d you look at and say how? granted Murray is pretty damn good. one team has a stellar defense. one thing both have is lots of speed.

I've got no issue with the article. I'd give an incomplete too like bill mentioned...it's too early
- Just5

Comparing a defenseman to two offensemen as a basis for a "slow to develop" assessment is odd.

Local columnist.

Comparing a defenseman to two offensemen as a basis for a "slow to develop" assessment is odd.
- Scoob

Very much so.

I wonder what the article will say if Sanheim gets passed by Myers. You know an undrafted player is in the show before a first round pick. That will just make Sanheim the busts of all busts.

Very much so.

I wonder what the article will say if Sanheim gets passed by Myers. You know an undrafted player is in the show before a first round pick. That will just make Sanheim the busts of all busts.
- dragonoffrost

The Myers hype train is running a little wild in my opinion. Loved what I saw in the World Juniors from Myers but Sanheim was much more accomplished in juniors. With a better coach I think he would've had a similar if not greater impact on his WJC team than Myers had.

Comparing a defenseman to two offensemen as a basis for a "slow to develop" assessment is odd.
- Scoob

Offensemen

The Myers hype train is running a little wild in my opinion. Loved what I saw in the World Juniors from Myers but Sanheim was much more accomplished in juniors. With a better coach I think he would've had a similar if not greater impact on his WJC team than Myers had.
- Baxter27

Sanheim was a part of a stacked WJC team Myers however had the advantage of a relatively average defense class. Myers concussions concern me. My hope is he can be a reliable top 4 defender. Anything more than that is gravy.

Hard not to like this kid

http://phillysportsnetwork.com/2017/06/09/wade/

Sanheim was a part of a stacked WJC team Myers however had the advantage of a relatively average defense class. Myers concussions concern me. My hope is he can be a reliable top 4 defender. Anything more than that is gravy.
- Tfaehner

I wouldn't say 2016 was anymore stacked than usual. Regardless, Sanheim was the best offensive defenseman on the team and did not get the power play responsibilities that should've warranted. That's just one example of how he was misused in the tournament.

I will be very disappointed if Sanheim spends another year in the AHL. Morin and Hagg will be fine set and forget guys and fill their roles, but Sanheim is already better at the AHL level than both (he was arguably their best all around d-man this past season) and alone has the dynamic puck moving capable of sparking the big club. It just strikes me as unnecessary. This year was good for him but he seems ready now, and MacDonald should be flung aside to make room. If Morin and Hagg weren't here, I think Sanheim is a lock to make the team. If it comes down to just too many rookies and a seniority thing, bleh.

How many star defensive prospects are spending their d+4 year in the AHL, especially if they already showed they than can handle it? He can spend however long he wants down there.......as soon as you get to the NHL, you have to re-adjust and re-learn and that can only be done at the NHL level. Whatever he learns in the AHL under mediocre coaches with their non-NHL system, he will learn exponentially more in the NHL, with the talent and structure. Especially with how the team is shaping up with a surge of young talent and the older guys getting older, why not just get the ball rolling instead of delaying (because that's what it is to me, not developing) another year?

Hard not to like this kid

http://phillysportsnetwork.com/2017/06/09/wade/
- Tfaehner

Kid is a beauty, heard an interview with him after his drafted and his character sounds second to none.

Offensemen
- jmatchett383

more than one offenseman

more than one offenseman
- Scoob

I'm not a fan of offsensemen, I prefer backwards.

Most of the "local columnist" for the Flyers are clueless so I take that with a grain of salt. This clown named Sielski might be the worst of them all. The same clown who tried to make a name for himself by asking Ed Snider about the Flyers "Culture" for their not winning playoff games, or in general. Mindless trolls are the only people who blame Ed Snider for the winning and losing.

I will be very disappointed if Sanheim spends another year in the AHL. Morin and Hagg will be fine set and forget guys and fill their roles, but Sanheim is already better at the AHL level than both (he was arguably their best all around d-man this past season) and alone has the dynamic puck moving capable of sparking the big club. It just strikes me as unnecessary. This year was good for him but he seems ready now, and MacDonald should be flung aside to make room. If Morin and Hagg weren't here, I think Sanheim is a lock to make the team. If it comes down to just too many rookies and a seniority thing, bleh.

How many star defensive prospects are spending their d+4 year in the AHL, especially if they already showed they than can handle it? He can spend however long he wants down there.......as soon as you get to the NHL, you have to re-adjust and re-learn and that can only be done at the NHL level. Whatever he learns in the AHL under mediocre coaches with their non-NHL system, he will learn exponentially more in the NHL, with the talent and structure. Especially with how the team is shaping up with a surge of young talent and the older guys getting older, why not just get the ball rolling instead of delaying (because that's what it is to me, not developing) another year?
- Mononoke

Didn't Duncan keith take 5 years including 2 ahl? Just saying. Not about the time it's about the career. I don't make myself out to be a nhl coach. I don't know how ready he is. I think he could make the jump but if be just as happy as him playing ahl top pairing minutes all situation

Didn't Duncan keith take 5 years including 2 ahl? Just saying. Not about the time it's about the career. I don't make myself out to be a nhl coach. I don't know how ready he is. I think he could make the jump but if be just as happy as him playing ahl top pairing minutes all situation
- Tfaehner

Duncan Keith was not a star defensive prospect, despite him becoming a star in the NHL. Technically it was his D+4 year when he made the NHL because he wasn't even drafted his first go. It's not like his AHL stats were that mind blowing anyway.

Sanheim is the top prospect in the very prospect rich Flyers organization (we don't have Nico/Nolan quite yet). He demolished the WHL, is 6'4 200+lbs, was the best Phantoms d-man this season and developed nicely on both sides of the puck. He needed this year (as Myers will), but why does he need more time in the AHL? What specifically is he not ready for/needs work on that can't be done or needs to be done at the next level? He's more than NHL ready to me and his growth (and the team's growth) is best served as a Flyer next year.

Duncan Keith was not a star defensive prospect, despite him becoming a star in the NHL. Technically it was his D+4 year when he made the NHL because he wasn't even drafted his first go. It's not like his AHL stats were that mind blowing anyway.

Sanheim is the top prospect in the very prospect rich Flyers organization (we don't have Nico/Nolan quite yet). He demolished the WHL, is 6'4 200+lbs, was the best Phantoms d-man this season and developed nicely on both sides of the puck. He needed this year (as Myers will), but why does he need more time in the AHL? What specifically is he not ready for/needs work on that can't be done or needs to be done at the next level? He's more than NHL ready to me and his growth (and the team's growth) is best served as a Flyer next year.
- Mononoke

Agreed.

He's not 19. He's a 21 year old first rounder. Get him in and learn on the job. Novel idea

Duncan Keith was not a star defensive prospect, despite him becoming a star in the NHL. Technically it was his D+4 year when he made the NHL because he wasn't even drafted his first go. It's not like his AHL stats were that mind blowing anyway.

Sanheim is the top prospect in the very prospect rich Flyers organization (we don't have Nico/Nolan quite yet). He demolished the WHL, is 6'4 200+lbs, was the best Phantoms d-man this season and developed nicely on both sides of the puck. He needed this year (as Myers will), but why does he need more time in the AHL? What specifically is he not ready for/needs work on that can't be done or needs to be done at the next level? He's more than NHL ready to me and his growth (and the team's growth) is best served as a Flyer next year.
- Mononoke

What I saw was a guy who didn't play in all 3 areas at the ahl level and was sheltered verse other teams top talent until the last maybe 10 games. He also didn't have all that amazing of a playoff imo. I went to one of the games and if not for his size he was rather unnoticeable outside the pp which is not a need for the flyers. I'm not saying he's not nhl ready I don't watch enough phantoms to say that but being a top pairing pk pp even strength aAHL defenseman I don't think would hurt him either. In all honesty i am lowest on hagg organizationally and was shocked to hear us say he was nhl ready but oh well. They know more than me

I will be very disappointed if Sanheim spends another year in the AHL. Morin and Hagg will be fine set and forget guys and fill their roles, but Sanheim is already better at the AHL level than both (he was arguably their best all around d-man this past season) and alone has the dynamic puck moving capable of sparking the big club. It just strikes me as unnecessary. This year was good for him but he seems ready now, and MacDonald should be flung aside to make room. If Morin and Hagg weren't here, I think Sanheim is a lock to make the team. If it comes down to just too many rookies and a seniority thing, bleh.

How many star defensive prospects are spending their d+4 year in the AHL, especially if they already showed they than can handle it? He can spend however long he wants down there.......as soon as you get to the NHL, you have to re-adjust and re-learn and that can only be done at the NHL level. Whatever he learns in the AHL under mediocre coaches with their non-NHL system, he will learn exponentially more in the NHL, with the talent and structure. Especially with how the team is shaping up with a surge of young talent and the older guys getting older, why not just get the ball rolling instead of delaying (because that's what it is to me, not developing) another year?
- Mononoke

All of this

Flyers sign Ghost

Flyers sign Ghost
- PhillySportsGuy

Details?

Flyers sign Ghost
- PhillySportsGuy

Hmmmm?