Paul Berthelot: First round picks should not be traded for rental players Examining why first round draft picks should not be dealt for rental players.

To me, the point in trading for rentals is to put together a roster that would otherwise not be salary cap compliant at the beginning of the year.


Go big if you want a cup. Trading 1sts for top contenders isn't a big deal.

i think most fans would be ok trading half their team and the next 10 first round picks if it gets them a stanley cup. the question in all deals is - does the end justify the means.

if the draft this year is considered to of low quality, why not trade a first round when the player you may get is considered to have a lower % of making it to the NHL? if you can trade the 20% chance player of the making the NHL for 5% better chance of winning the cup, that seems like a good trade to me.

thank you for saying the Yandle and St Louis deals were more than just rentals, good job

I don't mind them, especially when they can possibly get a 1st for Vanek, and then re-sign him in the off-season. Definitely will take that!

Depends where you'll be drafting in the 1st round. A top 10 pick is much more valuable than #30. Stan has been willing to move them, and I'm not sure the Blackhawks win in 2015 without Vermette. He won a lot of face offs and played solid in the D zone in addition to his points. Plus, it allowed them to be deeper on the 4th line, which was also important.

That Martin St Louis deal was the fleecing of the century by Stevie Y!

Sorry Paul, have to disagree.

Teams within striking distance pretty much have to make deadline moves, because:

1) Cups
2) their salary commitments are typically high and they need a lot of playoff revenue
3) they draft late, so the picks aren't worth as much
4) Cups

The value of a Stanley Cup is typically immensely higher in almost every way versus a kid drafted 28-30.

You're also oversimplifying and misrepresenting Vermette's impact on the Hawks in 2015. First, he was a third liner (not fourth), playing with Sharp and Teravainen.

A couple of his goals were HUGE, at least 1-2 were GWG's.

AND he was unbeatable in the dot, which mattered hugely late in games in both the WCF and SCF. Hard to come back and tie the score when you can't get the puck.

To me, the point in trading for rentals is to put together a roster that would otherwise not be salary cap compliant at the beginning of the year.


Go big if you want a cup. Trading 1sts for top contenders isn't a big deal.
- Tumbleweed

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Paul Berthelot: First round picks should not be traded for rental players
Examining why first round draft picks should not be dealt for rental players.
- Paul Berthelot

Cbj should stand pat and not do anything, many have said they exceeded expectations , they shouldn't be in a playoff spot, so yeah , go for the rentals that aren't hyped and other teams don't want.

A role playing rental does not seem to be worthwhile this year. On the other hand, I would love to see a move to get Duchesne, which would be a big hockey trade. With expansion we can only protect 3 d-men, so something like Murray, Karlsson and a draft pick for MD might actually get done, and our team gets a boost. Nothing minor-get something big done, or stand pat.

That Martin St Louis deal was the fleecing of the century by Stevie Y!
- Crushers68

Was it though?

Cbj should stand pat and not do anything, many have said they exceeded expectations , they shouldn't be in a playoff spot, so yeah , go for the rentals that aren't hyped and other teams don't want.
- Alexzanki

I love the Jackets, but I think they're another season away.

Stand pat, hold on to assets, keep building, go all in next year.

Good game bj's, hopefully we finish next time.

Really let our foot off the gas there in the 3rd...oh well. I'll take the points.

IMO the CBJ needs a big time scorer, and maybe a backup in net. Especially this year you won't find anything in the trade deadline market that is worthy of using a first round pick to fill those holes. We aren't strong enough to even roll the dice on another Gaborik-type trade at this point.

Even as constructed now the team can win multiple series in the playoffs if everyone on the team plays up to their potential, the question is will they play like they did in December, or play the mostly awful hockey they've played since then?

This summers draft is weak in general, not just the first round. There is a significant drop off after the top 7-10 but the entire draft lacks depth. This is absolutely a draft to trade picks, especially teams that have already acquired additional picks ìn other deals.

This is without question the draft to trade a first round pick if you think the player you're getting back puts you over the top. Ill meet you in the middle though and say a first for Brian Boyle is a bit to much. However, it will probably happen. Paul Gaustad is an even lesser talented version of Boyle, and the Predators traded a first round pick to get him.

I dont remember if Gaustad was signed or not when he was traded. A first for a soon to be UFA is pretty steep unless youre convinced youre at least going to the Cup final. At that point, the pick is pretty much a 2nd rounder. Id trade the 29th or 30th pick in this particular draft for Boyle if I believe Im going to the cup final.

Contending teams with multiple picks in rounds 2-4 just may trade their 1st rounders.

Trading 1st rounders or any assets for rental help is a gamble of short term and playoff improvement vs. probably long term returns. So no matter how you look at it, this is just a crap shoot. If your team wins the cup and the rental looks helpful it's worth it. If you get bounced in the playoffs (which is more likely) you net lost assets and it wasn't.

I think the factor that compels GMs to make this gamble is that the window for any team to win is for a limited time. When you think you're close and a real contender you have to go all in, even if the odds are against you.

Also, I think any team can afford to this in a limited manner. When you see certain teams continuously trade away big picks for short term help you know there are likely to be problems down the road. But giving up a a single 1st round pick is unlikely to change the course of a franchise.

Was it though?
- rangerdanger94

Absolutely, you'd be foolish not to see it. You didn't win a cup and depleted your farm system for a player that brought you little

Absolutely, you'd be foolish not to see it. You didn't win a cup and depleted your farm system for a player that brought you little
- Crushers68

that player literally led the team to the finals

and guess what, the Rangers are LOADED, one of top 5 teams in the NHL and Tampa is on the downswing, just take a look at the standings

that player literally led the team to the finals

and guess what, the Rangers are LOADED, one of top 5 teams in the NHL and Tampa is on the downswing, just take a look at the standings
- jimbro83

If you think they're loaded, then I think you're loaded