DDM-Coga
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Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB Joined: 07.24.2009
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Its crazy how bad Oilers management was. After getting hot shot forwards Hall and Hopkins they could have gotten one of 5 future Allstar Dman...Lindholm, Murray, Dumba, Trouba, Pouliot!!
Yak only played two yrs in junior. So how do scouts predict potential and ceiling? Yes he had a monster yr in juniors, but do they base it off one one yr alone? Im curious why Yak was a clear #1 when clearly he wasn't?
Or was this a case of Edmonton not embracing a Russian? I heard stories how he got poop on for Jersey number or something?
Or was this a case of bad coaching and guiding?
I find this very fascinating and I hope you people can give me insightful answers. - Leniwm1
Thats called hindsight. Looking back at a draft and saying Oilers should have selected Dman who were picked according to their rankings in that 5-10 spot is foolish.
None were as highly ranked and hyped as Yak, he was the clear number 1 at the time. Only Murray was the only Dman who had a shot at being selected at 1. You could made the argument that Oilers could have traded down but no team was willing to pay that price so they picked the Best Player available at the time. They did their job by doing that. Other than Murray, no other player in that draft should be brought as "Oilers could have drafted them" |
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Leniwm1
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Location: Los Angeles, CA Joined: 02.24.2015
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Thats called hindsight. Looking back at a draft and saying Oilers should have selected Dman who were picked according to their rankings in that 5-10 spot is foolish.
None were as highly ranked and hyped as Yak, he was the clear number 1 at the time. Only Murray was the only Dman who had a shot at being selected at 1. You could made the argument that Oilers could have traded down but no team was willing to pay that price so they picked the Best Player available at the time. They did their job by doing that. Other than Murray, no other player in that draft should be brought as "Oilers could have drafted them" - DDM-Coga
Thats kinda not my question. You are partly there. "They did their job by doing that." Thats kinda my question. What made them choose Yak, or the Scouting Central pick Yak after two yrs in juniors. How do they choose who is 1, 2.... How were they able to say he is a future star with tons of potential. What did Yak do to have them think that.. Thats the questions. Pre-Oilers... |
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walshyleafsfan
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Location: I really don't care about Nylander, I really hope he gets injured and is out - Makita Joined: 07.14.2011
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What value were we supposed to get? a 3-4 D man? a 1st rounder? how many more seasons should we have given the guy to pan out? 2-3 more? its not like he was improving or anything - RatedR80
You guy's have been talking him up for a while now saying you weren't going to just give him away. I expected you to not just give him away. Anyone who said they would just give him away was a troll and a bad person. |
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DDM-Coga
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Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB Joined: 07.24.2009
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Thats kinda not my question. You are partly there. "They did their job by doing that." Thats kinda my question. What made them choose Yak, or the Scouting Central pick Yak after two yrs in juniors. How do they choose who is 1, 2.... How were they able to say he is a future star with tons of potential. What did Yak do to have them think that.. Thats the questions. Pre-Oilers... - Leniwm1
For the Oilers it was Katz who made that call, he wanted Yak. They wanted the guy who was labeled to have this offensive talent that would put asses in the seats
Central scouting is an independent organization, they ranked Yak as the top pick, as almost ever other scouting list had him as Number 1. Rankings: No. 1 by NHL’s Central Scouting, No. 1 ISS, No. 1 Red Line Report, No. 1 McKeen’s Hockey. Everyone had him |
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walshyleafsfan
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Location: I really don't care about Nylander, I really hope he gets injured and is out - Makita Joined: 07.14.2011
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Thats called hindsight. Looking back at a draft and saying Oilers should have selected Dman who were picked according to their rankings in that 5-10 spot is foolish.
None were as highly ranked and hyped as Yak, he was the clear number 1 at the time. Only Murray was the only Dman who had a shot at being selected at 1. You could made the argument that Oilers could have traded down but no team was willing to pay that price so they picked the Best Player available at the time. They did their job by doing that. Other than Murray, no other player in that draft should be brought as "Oilers could have drafted them" - DDM-Coga
Picking a dman, period, may not have been foolish though. I believe it may have been mentioned here on HB before. |
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DDM-Coga
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Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB Joined: 07.24.2009
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Picking a dman, period, may not have been foolish though. I believe it may have been mentioned here on HB before. - walshyleafsfan
Put imagine if the Oilers picked a guy who was ranked 5-7 on the scouting list over Yak...they would have been crucified for years for that. Honestly they were in a lose lose situations in that draft |
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Scooby_Doo
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: Somewhere close to Vancouver., BC Joined: 06.10.2009
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Put imagine if the Oilers picked a guy who was ranked 5-7 on the scouting list over Yak...they would have been crucified for years for that. Honestly they were in a lose lose situations in that draft - DDM-Coga
Oilers should have traded the pick, it was the obvious move.
I can't believe how bad Lowe, MacT and now Chia have run this organization. It's as if they are the dumbest minds in hockey. |
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RatedR80
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Joined: 10.17.2013
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You guy's have been talking him up for a while now saying you weren't going to just give him away. I expected you to not just give him away. Anyone who said they would just give him away was a troll and a bad person. - walshyleafsfan
I dont recall saying he was worth something...I think at best I said hold off and see if he can improve his value but he never did...it was time for everyone to move on and the fact that Yak is already chirping suggests just that....if he could only play as well as he talked poop we wouldnt be in this position
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Picking a dman, period, may not have been foolish though. I believe it may have been mentioned here on HB before. - walshyleafsfan
There was an article on sportsmen a while back talking about the 2013 draft. Apparently 7 of 9 oilers personnel wanted to take Ryan Murray 1 yakupov and 1 galchenyuk. They were going to take Murray but then Katz stepped in and told them to take yakupov |
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FiretheGM
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Location: Edmonton, AB Joined: 12.16.2011
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You guy's have been talking him up for a while now saying you weren't going to just give him away. I expected you to not just give him away. Anyone who said they would just give him away was a troll and a bad person. - walshyleafsfan
Who said that? Every blog comment to media out there said he could be had for a 3rd round pick.. |
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walshyleafsfan
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Location: I really don't care about Nylander, I really hope he gets injured and is out - Makita Joined: 07.14.2011
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Put imagine if the Oilers picked a guy who was ranked 5-7 on the scouting list over Yak...they would have been crucified for years for that. Honestly they were in a lose lose situations in that draft - DDM-Coga
Trade the (frank) down then. Seriously, what were they thinking?
Loads of teams have gone off the board and survived.
Picking Hall, RNH, Yak was a disaster.
Most likely the road the Leafs go down. |
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DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche |
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Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB Joined: 07.24.2009
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Oilers should have traded the pick, it was the obvious move.
I can't believe how bad Lowe, MacT and now Chia have run this organization. It's as if they are the dumbest minds in hockey. - Scooby_Doo
Thats the only real hindsight situation that has legs to it. The top picks weren't there for them, they didnt need Yak, didnt love Murray so should have just moved the pick.
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walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: I really don't care about Nylander, I really hope he gets injured and is out - Makita Joined: 07.14.2011
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Who said that? Every blog comment to media out there said he could be had for a 3rd round pick.. - FiretheGM
A load of people. I've argued with Hendo many a time that Yak may not have as much value as a former 1st overall pick.
He wouldn't have it. Like many others here. |
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RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers |
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Joined: 10.17.2013
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Oilers should have traded the pick, it was the obvious move.
I can't believe how bad Lowe, MacT and now Chia have run this organization. It's as if they are the dumbest minds in hockey. - Scooby_Doo
Wait what? do you know for a fact that other teams would have been willing to pay the price to move up to 1st that draft year? if so can I have links?....its very easy to judge the Oilers on hindsight....did we make some bad moves? (frank) yes we did and thats why we are where we are.....its not like Benning is winning GM of the year over there either
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martox
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Location: Stockholm - "Nights when we don't have our A-game, we better have our A-commitment & A-effort." Joined: 09.25.2014
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oh and now you sign russel... for 3.1 mil no less |
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RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers |
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Trade the (frank) down then. Seriously, what were they thinking?
Loads of teams have gone off the board and survived.
Picking Hall, RNH, Yak was a disaster.
Most likely the road the Leafs go down.  - walshyleafsfan
Hall and RNH arent exactly disasters the only one you can say that is about Yak
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walshyleafsfan
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Location: I really don't care about Nylander, I really hope he gets injured and is out - Makita Joined: 07.14.2011
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Wait what? do you know for a fact that other teams would have been willing to pay the price to move up to 1st that draft year? if so can I have links?....its very easy to judge the Oilers on hindsight....did we make some bad moves? (frank) yes we did and thats why we are where we are.....its not like Benning is winning GM of the year over there either - RatedR80
To say they couldn't trade that pick for the betterment of the organization is foolish.
Seriously, there's no spinning or defending the passed 5 years.
None at all. |
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DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche |
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Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB Joined: 07.24.2009
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oh and now you sign russel... for 3.1 mil no less - martox
3.1m really means that other teams were trying to sign him too, which is the crazy part |
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An embarrassment of riches and high in draft picks lead to wasting Nail Yakapov. If he had been the only #1 draft pick they had gotten, he would have been developed properly. From an outsider watching, any time he got a little bit of confidence and started to do well offensively, the Oilers would pull him off that line or let the centre Derek Roy just leave. When the only offensively talented centre that they let him have any time with was Leon Draistaidl, and he essentially was a rookie just trying to cut his teeth in trying to find his place in the NHL. Most teams that draft a high offensive player, would have put him in the best position to succeed as a high offensive player. To his credit, Yak never took his puck and went to the KHL like most Russian players do. When he scores 30 plus goals in St. Louis this year, the oilers and oiler fans should complain about nothing as they did it to themselves. - Waffle_man
Oilers fans sure did it to themselves. Picking his linemates, and making him play like a kid with ADHD |
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walshyleafsfan
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Location: I really don't care about Nylander, I really hope he gets injured and is out - Makita Joined: 07.14.2011
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oh and now you sign russel... for 3.1 mil no less - martox
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Scooby_Doo
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: Somewhere close to Vancouver., BC Joined: 06.10.2009
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Wait what? do you know for a fact that other teams would have been willing to pay the price to move up to 1st that draft year? if so can I have links?....its very easy to judge the Oilers on hindsight....did we make some bad moves? (frank) yes we did and thats why we are where we are.....its not like Benning is winning GM of the year over there either - RatedR80
You don't think people would have offered something better for the 1st overall pick?
A lot of bad moves. Puljuarvi over Juolevi was the latest.
Too early to judge Benning, let's stay on topic please. |
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DDM-Coga
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Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB Joined: 07.24.2009
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You don't think people would have offered something better for the 1st overall pick?
A lot of bad moves. Puljuarvi over Juolevi was the latest.
Too early to judge Benning, let's stay on topic please.  - Scooby_Doo
(frank) Finland with their use of the Letter J |
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Gerk
St Louis Blues |
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Location: say it aint so TARASENKO, YT Joined: 01.07.2008
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oh and now you sign russel... for 3.1 mil no less - martox
And introducing your 2016/2017 Oilers |
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RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers |
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Joined: 10.17.2013
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To say they couldn't trade that pick for the betterment of the organization is foolish.
Seriously, there's no spinning or defending the passed 5 years.
None at all. - walshyleafsfan
Show me where they were offered deals for that pick that draft....I asked the other Nucks fan too yet nothing...also pay attention im not defending them for the past 5 years at all its been an embarassment no matter who was running the show
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