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LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 19 @ 12:59 AM ET
I guess I don't understand why there's this burning desire by the fan base, who claim to want a rebuild, to win NOW?

They are rebuilding, but they just started for cryin out loud! Benning's been on the job TWO years. Let him build. Just try and be more competitive is all the fans should be asking.
CubanBuffet
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whine Country
Joined: 08.29.2014

Jul 19 @ 1:00 AM ET
Vrbata Hamhuis Prust Higgins Weber Bartowski Biega Cracknell adios
- VANTEL


Gaunce, Granlund, Etem, Larson, Rodin hello? Outside of Granlund I've got high hopes for those players, but there are no guarantee they'll be an upgrade on the players they're replacing.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 19 @ 1:03 AM ET
Gaunce, Granlund, Etem, Larson, Rodin hello? Outside of Granlund I've got high hopes for those players, but there are no guarantee they'll be an upgrade on the players they're replacing.
- CubanBuffet

That is why some of us are suggesting to upgrade the second line. Get a sure fire player
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 19 @ 1:07 AM ET
I guess I don't understand why there's this burning desire by the fan base, who claim to want a rebuild, to win NOW?

They are rebuilding, but they just started for cryin out loud! Benning's been on the job TWO years. Let him build. Just try and be more competitive is all the fans should be asking.

- LeftCoaster



And I guess I wonder why people are waiting for a rebuild when only 5 original players still remain on the team since Benning's 2 full seasons.

It happened , maybe you were out golfing and missed it
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 19 @ 1:09 AM ET
They have a core.

Sutter 5 years
Edler 4 years?
Tanev 5 years
Eriksson 6 years
Markstrom 3 years
Hansen 2 years
Sedins 2 years most likely extended.
Bo
Gudbrandson

9 players multiple years. That my friend is a core without touching Tryamkin Hutton JV Boeser Juolevi Sven

- VANTEL

No Vantel, they don't! You're definition of a core is a bunch of veterans who either aren't very good or they're just ok nhl'ers, Sutter, Hansen....or they're nhlers who are old and their best days are behind them...Sedins.

The Sutter's, Hansens and such are the players Chicago keeps getting rid of so they can keep their core together.

People need to stop trying to squeeze every ounce out of this older tired group, which you've said yourself. Establishing the next group of core players involves drafting and developing, not trading away your youth to compete now with a team that has no chance of winning a Cup.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 19 @ 1:13 AM ET
No Vantel, they don't! You're definition of a core is a bunch of veterans who either aren't very good or they're just ok nhl'ers, Sutter, Hansen, or they're nhlers who are old and their best days are behind them...Sedins.

The Sutter's, Hansens and such are the players Chicago keeps getting rid of so they can keep their core together.

People need to stop trying to squeeze every ounce out of this older tired group, which you've said yourself. Establishing the next group of core players involves drafting and developing, not trading away your youth to compete now with a team that has no chance of winning a Cup.

- LeftCoaster

Well that is your opinion . Haters gonna hate
Scooby_Doo
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Somewhere close to Vancouver., BC
Joined: 06.10.2009

Jul 19 @ 1:14 AM ET
I guess I don't understand why there's this burning desire by the fan base, who claim to want a rebuild, to win NOW?

They are rebuilding, but they just started for cryin out loud! Benning's been on the job TWO years. Let him build. Just try and be more competitive is all the fans should be asking.

- LeftCoaster


Should we start the tank chants early?
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 19 @ 1:17 AM ET
And I guess I wonder why people are waiting for a rebuild when only 5 original players still remain on the team since Benning's 2 full seasons.

It happened , maybe you were out golfing and missed it

- VANTEL

just because you change the players doesn't mean you've rebuilt. You just changed the players. Jesus I'm glad guys like you don't work for the Canucks!!

It just appears, to me, you have no clue what a core group of players means. You name a bunch of middle six or bottom end NHL'ers and call them a core group.

We don't speak the same language, carry on
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 19 @ 1:18 AM ET
Well that is your opinion . Haters gonna hate
- VANTEL

I don't hate, I love Bennings drafting....that's where he does his best work!
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 19 @ 1:21 AM ET
just because you change the players doesn't mean you've rebuilt. You just changed the players. Jesus I'm glad guys like you don't work for the Canucks!!

It just appears, to me, you have no clue what a core group of players means. You name a bunch of middle six or bottom end NHL'ers and call them a core group.

We don't speak the same language, carry on

- LeftCoaster


Actually a guy that thinks like that does work for them his name is Benning. He actually came out just last week and said he would like to trade to upgrade his second line winger.


He actually works for the Canucks instead of just sitting back and criticizing them.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 19 @ 1:22 AM ET
Should we start the tank chants early?
- Scooby_Doo

just draft well and keep building
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 19 @ 1:23 AM ET
I don't hate, I love Bennings drafting....that's where he does his best work!
- LeftCoaster

And that comment is just so stupid. Aside from the Dorsett and Sbisa signings he has made some very good trades and signing. He has improved in all areas.

For a guy saying people need to develop , you should follow your own advice.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 19 @ 1:25 AM ET
Actually a guy that thinks like that does work for them his name is Benning. He actually came out just last week and said he would like to trade to upgrade his second line winger.


He actually works for the Canucks instead of just sitting back and criticizing them.

- VANTEL

No he doesn't, he's said publicly he's not trading the core he's building. Unlike you and some others. He may trade for a winger, but I'd bet my hard earned dollars he won't trade any of the main kids.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 19 @ 1:27 AM ET
And that comment is just so stupid. Aside from the Dorsett and Sbisa signings he has made some very good trades and signing. He has improved in all areas.

For a guy saying people need to develop , you should follow your own advice.

- VANTEL

VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 19 @ 1:31 AM ET

- LeftCoaster

Seriously you criticize others about wanting players but you have not problem bringing in RNH who is the third line center of the 29 th place tea, for his 12 goals and 6 mil contract? What happened to D&D
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jul 19 @ 1:45 AM ET
They have a core.

Sutter 5 years
Edler 4 years?
Tanev 5 years
Eriksson 6 years
Markstrom 3 years
Hansen 2 years
Sedins 2 years most likely extended.
Bo
Gudbrandson

9 players multiple years. That my friend is a core without touching Tryamkin Hutton JV Boeser Juolevi Sven

- VANTEL



That is not a core my friend, 35 year old #1C and no true #1D.

Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Jul 19 @ 1:59 AM ET


That is not a core my friend, 35 year old #1C and no true #1D.

- A_SteamingLombardi


Bo will be a 1c and Gudbranson will turn into Shea Weber 2.0
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jul 19 @ 2:08 AM ET
Bo will be a 1c and Gudbranson will turn into weren't 2.0
- Pres.cup

Who was weren't 1.0?
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Jul 19 @ 2:11 AM ET
Who was weren't 1.0?
- A_SteamingLombardi


Lol
Fixed
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jul 19 @ 2:12 AM ET
Who was weren't 1.0?
- A_SteamingLombardi

A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jul 19 @ 2:13 AM ET
Lol
Fixed

- Pres.cup

CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jul 19 @ 2:23 AM ET
I guess I don't understand why there's this burning desire by the fan base, who claim to want a rebuild, to win NOW?

They are rebuilding, but they just started for cryin out loud! Benning's been on the job TWO years. Let him build. Just try and be more competitive is all the fans should be asking.

- LeftCoaster

Pot meet kettle? Aren't you the guy that's dumping all our seconds?
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jul 19 @ 2:26 AM ET


That is not a core my friend, 35 year old #1C and no true #1D.

- A_SteamingLombardi


Juolevi will be our number 1. He is by far the best d prospect we have had in 20 plus years
WhatTheNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jul 19 @ 3:25 AM ET


That is not a core my friend, 35 year old #1C and no true #1D.

- A_SteamingLombardi


I don't think the new core is far off from what we have now. I don't want anymore trades if it involves what we have as a core so far. We are a true 1C and 1LW away from a decent group that will mature over 3 to 4 years. Right around the time the Sedins retire I bet. We could draft them sure and I hope we do but if we found a way to get a prospect that fits the bill without giving up too much I don't think it's a bad thing. The problem is, what will it cost? I cannot imagine Benning being dumb enough to make a mistake like that.

I think Juolevi will be a #1D one day but it may take 5 years or so. Right around the time Edler's contract ends too.... weird.

Larsen is my dark horse to make a big impression. I like what I've seen so far and even Rodin looks ready to prove he has what it takes to score in the NHL. I don't know for sure what happens but I'll bet they have roster spots after TC and we see them make big strides even if they get 40 games in. I predict Larsen to have a Hutton type year and help the PP and Rodin to pot 20 goals alongside Horvat and JV.

My biggest turning point for the Canucks will be JV. Can he become a more offensive player? Can he elevate his game and get stronger, more physical while staying responsible defensively? I hope so because I think he's the only one I'm unsure about for now. He has all the tools and I'm excited to see what he brings.

I could see Subban, Pedan, Sbisa, Granlund, Burrows, and maybe Gaunce our tradeable assets and I don't see us getting much. It would be dependent on the teams need for a defenseman like Sbisa.

Happy Tuesday but I'm pretty happy where we are and hope we only trade less impact full pieces if any at all.
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Jul 19 @ 4:39 AM ET
I guess I don't understand why there's this burning desire by the fan base, who claim to want a rebuild, to win NOW?

They are rebuilding, but they just started for cryin out loud! Benning's been on the job TWO years. Let him build. Just try and be more competitive is all the fans should be asking.

- LeftCoaster


That's the thing, when we started off poorly and people clamoured for a tank I said most wouldn't have the stomach for it. Here we are just a few months later and people are aching to be competitive again. Sometimes you have to take some lumps along the way.
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