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Scooby_Doo
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Somewhere close to Vancouver., BC
Joined: 06.10.2009

Jul 18 @ 11:33 PM ET
OK how about

Virtanen and Hansen

For

B Schenn and a 2nd

Still early tuesday I'd never donthat

- The_Kuze


Demko and Boeser for Kane
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jul 18 @ 11:36 PM ET
OK how about

Virtanen and Hansen

For

B Schenn and a 2nd

Still early tuesday I'd never donthat

- The_Kuze

LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 18 @ 11:40 PM ET
OK how about

Virtanen and Hansen

For

B Schenn and a 2nd

Still early tuesday I'd never donthat

- The_Kuze

Why can't we just build a team like most Cup champions do? WHY???
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jul 18 @ 11:41 PM ET
Demko and Boeser for Kane
- Scooby_Doo


Demko and Boeser and Bo and JV for Dale Weiss and Christian Erhoff
CubanBuffet
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whine Country
Joined: 08.29.2014

Jul 18 @ 11:41 PM ET
Why can't we just build a team like most Cup champions do? WHY???
- LeftCoaster


Cause they don't hand the Cup out until June and we want gratification now.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 18 @ 11:44 PM ET
Why can't we just build a team like most Cup champions do? WHY???
- LeftCoaster

They are . Draft , trades , and UFAs
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Jul 18 @ 11:44 PM ET
Demko and Boeser and Bo and JV for Dale Weiss and Christian Erhoff
- Makita


Are we doing an early Tuesday special?
Scooby_Doo
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Somewhere close to Vancouver., BC
Joined: 06.10.2009

Jul 18 @ 11:45 PM ET
Demko and Boeser and Bo and JV for Dale Weiss and Christian Erhoff
- Makita


It's Weise not Weiss.
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jul 18 @ 11:47 PM ET
They are . Draft , trades , and UFAs
- VANTEL


So suck, then draft quality prospects, trade those prospects, then overpay on UFA, then suck again, rinse and repeat...solid plan
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jul 18 @ 11:49 PM ET
It's Weise not Weiss.
- Scooby_Doo

Sorry kaptaan, I'll get it right once he's back in the fold
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 18 @ 11:51 PM ET
They are . Draft , trades , and UFAs
- VANTEL

Must draft a core FIRST, then make trades when you have full cupboards in terms of prospects, then sign some quality UFA's.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 18 @ 11:53 PM ET
So suck, then draft quality prospects, trade those prospects, then overpay on UFA, then suck again, rinse and repeat...solid plan
- Makita

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuug! Why can't people get it thru their thick skulls you draft a core first and foremost, then you trade prospects!

You don't trade your prospects when you only have five with a serious chance at an impactful NHL career......fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuug!
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 18 @ 11:54 PM ET
Must draft a core FIRST, then make trades when you have full cupboards in terms of prospects, then sign some quality UFA's.
- LeftCoaster

They are drafting a core. Bo Demko Boeser Juolevi JV Tryamkin Hutton Brisebois
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 18 @ 11:54 PM ET
They are drafting a core. Bo Demko Boeser Juolevi JV Tryamkin Hutton Brisebois
- VANTEL

let's wait until they make the NHL chief before we proclaim them as core pieces.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 18 @ 11:59 PM ET
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuug! Why can't people get it thru their thick skulls you draft a core first and foremost, then you trade prospects!

You don't trade your prospects when you only have five with a serious chance at an impactful NHL career......fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuug!

- LeftCoaster

Of the cup winners in the last 6 years how many of their first round picks in the last 6 years were part of the roster when they won the cup?
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 19 @ 12:01 AM ET
let's wait until they make the NHL chief before we proclaim them as core pieces.
- LeftCoaster



So if they are not sure fire NHLers why would you get upset if they get traded?
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 19 @ 12:12 AM ET
Of the cup winners in the last 6 years how many of their first round picks in the last 6 years were part of the roster when they won the cup?
- VANTEL

I have no idea of what relevance this has, or what a six year time frame has, to do with drafting a core group of players? It may take six to eight years to draft a core group from any round!

Draft and ESTABLISH a group of core players first, however long it takes. Duncan Keith was drafted in 2002, Seabrook in 2003, Hjalmarsson in 2005, Toews in 2006, Kane in 2007......they all made the NHL together or were playing on the same team in 2008, in other words it took them six years to draft a core group.

LA drafted Brown in 2003, Kopitar in 2005, Quick in 2005, Doughty & Voynov in 2008, again six drafts to establish a core group and build a prospect pool so you could trade some of them.

It takes as long as it takes!
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 19 @ 12:15 AM ET
So if they are not sure fire NHLers why would you get upset if they get traded?
- VANTEL

You don't know, so don't trade them, this isn't hard Vantel

Keep drafting until you establish a core, unless you're the Leafs, who've traded most of their youth for the past 40 years for the immediate fix.....you constantly make fun of them yet you want to run an organization just like them
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Jul 19 @ 12:20 AM ET
I really believe with reduced minutes, by getting a lot better defensive group, you'll see way less brain fart's from Edler.

Offensively he may not be as good as he once was but defensively he can still match up really well against other teams top lines, and still put up 30 points.

- LeftCoaster

its just a matter or numbers for any dman...the more minutes you play the more errors are made. Errors are a fact of life for D men in this fast NHL.
the difference is it 90% error free?, 70%? etc.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jul 19 @ 12:25 AM ET
I'd like to get tuesday started early.

Olli Juolevi, Jake Virtanen, Jannik Hansen a 1st and a 2nd

For

Gabe Landeskog and Tyson Barrie and a 3rd

Boom goes early tuesday

- The_Kuze


No chance I'd make that. Garbage
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 19 @ 12:27 AM ET
I have no idea of what relevance this has, or what a six year time frame has, to do with drafting a core group of players? It may take six to eight years to draft a core group from any round!

Draft and ESTABLISH a group of core players first, however long it takes. Duncan Keith was drafted in 2002, Seabrook in 2003, Hjalmarsson in 2005, Toews in 2006, Kane in 2007......they all made the NHL together or were playing on the same team in 2008, in other words it took them six years to draft a core group.

LA drafted Brown in 2003, Kopitar in 2005, Quick in 2005, Doughty & Voynov in 2008, again six drafts to establish a core group and build a prospect pool so you could trade some of them.

It takes as long as it takes!

- LeftCoaster


It has a lot to do with it.

So the Hawks since 2002 Hawks who won 3 cups had 5 of its 14 first round picks
Kings who won twice 5 also of its 14 first round picks.


It is just nonsensens to say you can't move one or two x first round draft picks .

You said in one sentence get it through our thick skulls stop moving draft picks ,and in the next sentence you say hold on chief let's see if they make the NHL.

I remember also seeing you laughing at Oilers for years not trading one of those picks for need. ( it doesn't help that Chiapet made a horrible trade) .


You have to understand we have 14 players under 27 and probably Demko Boeser and Juolevi making it to the NHL in the next two years.

That will be way too many kids on the roster under 22. If you can make an upgrade by moving one or two players , you need to do it.

You may have a young Sven Baertschi as a second line forward but if you can trade for an upgrade now for a better young 2 nd line winger while the Sedins are here, you go for it .
CubanBuffet
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whine Country
Joined: 08.29.2014

Jul 19 @ 12:45 AM ET
It has a lot to do with it.

So the Hawks since 2002 Hawks who won 3 cups had 5 of its 14 first round picks
Kings who won twice 5 also of its 14 first round picks.


It is just nonsensens to say you can't move one or two x first round draft picks .

You said in one sentence get it through our thick skulls stop moving draft picks ,and in the next sentence you say hold on chief let's see if they make the NHL.

I remember also seeing you laughing at Oilers for years not trading one of those picks for need. ( it doesn't help that Chiapet made a horrible trade) .


You have to understand we have 14 players under 27 and probably Demko Boeser and Juolevi making it to the NHL in the next two years.

That will be way too many kids on the roster under 22. If you can make an upgrade by moving one or two players , you need to do it.

You may have a young Sven Baertschi as a second line forward but if you can trade for an upgrade now for a better young 2 nd line winger while the Sedins are here, you go for it .

- VANTEL


I know it's not universally accepted, but I personally believe that even without all of the injuries last season the Canucks were still a pretty bad team. They're better now, but who knows how well the new players will mesh or how healthy they'll be next season. They'll be better but that's a low bar. Their best propects are one year, maybe two, maybe three years away from having an impact. It's too soon to start moving what little depth we have.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 19 @ 12:46 AM ET
It has a lot to do with it.

So the Hawks since 2002 Hawks who won 3 cups had 5 of its 14 first round picks
Kings who won twice 5 also of its 14 first round picks.


It is just nonsensens to say you can't move one or two x first round draft picks .

You said in one sentence get it through our thick skulls stop moving draft picks ,and in the next sentence you say hold on chief let's see if they make the NHL.

I remember also seeing you laughing at Oilers for years not trading one of those picks for need. ( it doesn't help that Chiapet made a horrible trade) .


You have to understand we have 14 players under 27 and probably Demko Boeser and Juolevi making it to the NHL in the next two years.

That will be way too many kids on the roster under 22. If you can make an upgrade by moving one or two players , you need to do it.

You may have a young Sven Baertschi as a second line forward but if you can trade for an upgrade now for a better young 2 nd line winger while the Sedins are here, you go for it .

- VANTEL

You're missing the entire point, you can't see the forest for the trees...they haven't established a core of players for when the Sedins retire. I'm 100% opposed to trading anymore youth until they find that group.

You're making this huge (wrong) assumption all these kids will turn out just as projected, the truth is, you don't know. So have patience and develop them. Once you've found you're #1 center and your #1 dman then trade some of your youth for help. Like LA did with B. Schenn and Simmonds.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 19 @ 12:51 AM ET
You're missing the entire point, you can't see the forest for the trees...they haven't established a core of players for when the Sedins retire. I'm 100% opposed to trading anymore youth until they find that group.

You're making this huge (wrong) assumption all these kids will turn out just as projected, the truth is, you don't know. So have patience and develop them. Once you've found you're #1 center and your #1 dman then trade some of your youth for help. Like LA did with B. Schenn and Simmonds.

- LeftCoaster


They have a core.

Sutter 5 years
Edler 4 years?
Tanev 5 years
Eriksson 6 years
Markstrom 3 years
Hansen 2 years
Sedins 2 years most likely extended.
Bo
Gudbrandson

9 players multiple years. That my friend is a core without touching Tryamkin Hutton JV Boeser Juolevi Sven
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 19 @ 12:54 AM ET
I know it's not universally accepted, but I personally believe that even without all of the injuries last season the Canucks were still a pretty bad team. They're better now, but who knows how well the new players will mesh or how healthy they'll be next season. They'll be better but that's a low bar. Their best propects are one year, maybe two, maybe three years away from having an impact. It's too soon to start moving what little depth we have.
- CubanBuffet

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