Wilson seems like most likely to score 15+ goals. He was leading the AHL in goals when he was called up and scored at a 17 goal pace in the NHL....small sample size but he went to the dirty areas
- willi

Right before Wilson got hurt, you could tell his confidence was growing. He looked very comfortable with the puck on his stick. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the kid could develop into a 25G player similar to Kunitz.

I don't see us really getting a true young sniper this off-season 'cause I don't see the assets to get one. We can talk about trading Murray, but I highly doubt that happens. I think the team that just won the cup will return mostly intact. "4 scoring lines".

Extra thought... bit outside of the box idea...

Trading Maatta for that top 6 LW. Dumo just replaces Maatta, and then we can look into finding a mid/bottom pairing Dman, which costs less than the going rate of a top 6 winger.


Have fun

That doesn't have any bearing on the "trade Murray" discussion though. If Murray was hypothetically traded, then Fleury would be totally happy to stay here.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Sure it does if Murray is the coaches guy its another reason why he stays, on top salary.

But I agree with you that the Pen should explore what Murrays value is. If Calgary wants to deal Bennett for him, or the #6 and a prospect, yeah trade Murray. Fleury is just starting to come into his own IMO and he's only 30.

I think more the point Im am trying to make is one or the other needs to be dealt.

If you can trade Murray and land a top 6 pick that would give you a top line winger, it's worth it. CGY would be/is highly interested in Murray, maybe potential 3 way deal w/CBJ or EDM?

to PIT: #3, #65 (from CBJ)
to CBJ: #6, Pouliot
to CGY: Murray, #55 (from PIT)

or

to PIT: #4, #63, #91 (both from EDM)
to EDM: #6, Pouliot
to CGY: Murray, #55 (from PIT)

This lands either Puljajarvi or Tkachuk, and barring they flop, a top line winger for the next decade. PIT still has Fleury, who has at least 2-3 more good years in him, Jarry in the minors who needs 1-2 more years. This is best of win-now and win-later, and doesn't come with the risk of Murray flopping and getting nothing of significance in return. Cap space isn't an issue with the 5% increase, and Pouliot also doesn't need to be retained at the expansion draft (he has good potential but another down year and PIT won't protect him and likely lose him for nothing to LAS).

CGY gets their goalie of the future and EDM/CBJ get a young puck mover with good potential for dropping back 2-3 spots and 1-2 mid round picks.
- mventres

Holy blockbuster batman. You guys and these three way deals are creative. By it's very nature it's almost impossible to pull off, but I don't think anyone gets royally screwed at first glance.

Extra thought... bit outside of the box idea...

Trading Maatta for that top 6 LW. Dumo just replaces Maatta, and then we can look into finding a mid/bottom pairing Dman, which costs less than the going rate of a top 6 winger.


Have fun
- Guile

Maatta is a special player with special potential. I think something around him and Barrie could have worked but that looks unlikely now. It better be a special top 6 LW....any thoughts on who?

Extra thought... bit outside of the box idea...

Trading Maatta for that top 6 LW. Dumo just replaces Maatta, and then we can look into finding a mid/bottom pairing Dman, which costs less than the going rate of a top 6 winger.


Have fun
- Guile

I'd have no problem trading Maatta. I'd trade Maatta to Dallas for Nuchushkin.
We have two possible Maatta replacements available in Pouliot or Schultz, we have nothing in our system resembling what Nich is.

Holy blockbuster batman. You guys and these three way deals are creative. By it's very nature it's almost impossible to pull off, but I don't think anyone gets royally screwed at first glance.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Potential inclusion of Hartnell and Wideman swap between CGY and CLB as well...if they be so interested.

Maatta is a special player with special potential. I think something around him and Barrie could have worked but that looks unlikely now. It better be a special top 6 LW....any thoughts on who?
- YouMeAndDupuis9

(frank) it, lets go for Drouin on this one... we'd likely have to toss in next year's 2nd as well, but Tampa is losing Ohlund, and Hedman may not be able to be kept after next season for them. Its not... entirely crazy

I'd have no problem trading Maatta. I'd trade Maatta to Dallas for Nuchushkin.
We have two possible Maatta replacements available in Pouliot or Schultz, we have nothing in our system resembling what Nich is.
- stackthepads

Need a LW, not a RW though.

And yes, I am aware that Nuch could be a Horny replacement for the future, but LW is VERY thin now.

(frank) it, lets go for Drouin on this one... we'd likely have to toss in next year's 2nd as well, but Tampa is losing Ohlund, and Hedman may not be able to be kept after next season for them. Its not... entirely crazy
- Guile

I think the Drouin ship has sailed. Tampa is going to lose Stamkos, they can't lose Drouin as well.. They are definitely not going to lose Hedman.

I think the Drouin ship has sailed. Tampa is going to lose Stamkos, they can't lose Drouin as well.. They are definitely not going to lose Hedman.
- stackthepads

If they are able to keep Stamkos... Not sure they could afford to keep Hedman the year afterwards... but the Maatta trades is me having fun. His value gets confusing due to the injuries, and the weak showing for most of the postseason.

Agree. But do we want to have a championship caliber roster, one predicated on offense, littered with forwards that "might" score double digit goals?
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I don't mean to point out the obvious, but we just won the cup with a roster littered with kids who "might" score double digit goals. Right now other teams are trying to figure out how to replicate what the Penguins have done. Nobody is going to have a perfect roster.

Need a LW, not a RW though.

And yes, I am aware that Nuch could be a Horny replacement for the future, but LW is VERY thin now.
- Guile

You are too caught up on LW vs RW. Thats insignificant when talking about a player like Nichushkin.

Wilson/Sheary Crosby Hornqvist
Kunitz Malkin Nichushkin
HBK
Khunackl Fehr Rust
Sheary/Wilson

(frank) it, lets go for Drouin on this one... we'd likely have to toss in next year's 2nd as well, but Tampa is losing Ohlund, and Hedman may not be able to be kept after next season for them. Its not... entirely crazy
- Guile

Hate doing deals that big in our own conference....and its a little complicated because Maatta is now making $4M and Drouin is on ELC still for one more year.

I would be scared about our defensive depth -- but I think our LW depth is worse, I probably go for this.

Need a LW, not a RW though.

And yes, I am aware that Nuch could be a Horny replacement for the future, but LW is VERY thin now.
- Guile

A) Nuke can play both wings but is a natural LW. Yes, he's a right shot but like most Russians he prefers the side opposite to his shot.

B) that's a bad trade for us. No way in hell you trade Olli for Nuke.

I don't mean to point out the obvious, but we just won the cup with a roster littered with kids who "might" score double digit goals. Right now other teams are trying to figure out how to replicate what the Penguins have done. Nobody is going to have a perfect roster.
- madmike71

We have an opportunity to make our championship roster better, repeat as Stanley Cup champs, and rub that into the Hawks fans faces.

You are too caught up on LW vs RW. Thats insignificant when talking about a player like Nichushkin.

Wilson/Sheary Crosby Hornqvist
Kunitz Malkin Nichushkin
HBK
Khunackl Fehr Rust
Sheary/Wilson
- stackthepads

Not so much caught up, but not as familiar with Nich as I'd like to be.

If you can trade Murray and land a top 6 pick that would give you a top line winger, it's worth it. CGY would be/is highly interested in Murray, maybe potential 3 way deal w/CBJ or EDM?

to PIT: #3, #65 (from CBJ)
to CBJ: #6, Pouliot
to CGY: Murray, #55 (from PIT)

or

to PIT: #4, #63, #91 (both from EDM)
to EDM: #6, Pouliot
to CGY: Murray, #55 (from PIT)

This lands either Puljajarvi or Tkachuk, and barring they flop, a top line winger for the next decade. PIT still has Fleury, who has at least 2-3 more good years in him, Jarry in the minors who needs 1-2 more years. This is best of win-now and win-later, and doesn't come with the risk of Murray flopping and getting nothing of significance in return. Cap space isn't an issue with the 5% increase, and Pouliot also doesn't need to be retained at the expansion draft (he has good potential but another down year and PIT won't protect him and likely lose him for nothing to LAS).

CGY gets their goalie of the future and EDM/CBJ get a young puck mover with good potential for dropping back 2-3 spots and 1-2 mid round picks.
- mventres

Depending how this season goes for pouliot/Schultz we are likely to lose one of pouliot, Schultz, Hagelin, hornqvist. If pouliot turns into a good 3rd pairing guy this year we probably need to protect him and let hornqvist go since its a one year deal.

Hate doing deals that big in our own conference....and its a little complicated because Maatta is now making $4M and Drouin is on ELC still for one more year.

I would be scared about our defensive depth -- but I think our LW depth is worse, I probably go for this.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Meh... I really couldn't care less about own conference deals. If it benefits a need of both teams, all the more reason to do it... tip my hat the them, see you in the playoffs.


But as I said later down... the Druoin trade would require them keeping Stamkos, and assuming they then could not extend Hedman.

I wish there was a deal to get Boone Jenner.

Hate doing deals that big in our own conference....and its a little complicated because Maatta is now making $4M and Drouin is on ELC still for one more year.

I would be scared about our defensive depth -- but I think our LW depth is worse, I probably go for this.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Honestly our defensivene depth is worse because our overall forward depth can make up for lack luster LWs. You trade Maatta or Dumoulin and our D starts to look atrocious. Assuming it goes without saying we don't trade Letang.

A) Nuke can play both wings but is a natural LW. Yes, he's a right shot but like most Russians he prefers the side opposite to his shot.

B) that's a bad trade for us. No way in hell you trade Olli for Nuke.
- Victoro311

You of all people I thought would understand.

If you can trade Murray and land a top 6 pick that would give you a top line winger, it's worth it. CGY would be/is highly interested in Murray, maybe potential 3 way deal w/CBJ or EDM?

to PIT: #3, #65 (from CBJ)
to CBJ: #6, Pouliot
to CGY: Murray, #55 (from PIT)

or

to PIT: #4, #63, #91 (both from EDM)
to EDM: #6, Pouliot
to CGY: Murray, #55 (from PIT)

This lands either Puljajarvi or Tkachuk, and barring they flop, a top line winger for the next decade. PIT still has Fleury, who has at least 2-3 more good years in him, Jarry in the minors who needs 1-2 more years. This is best of win-now and win-later, and doesn't come with the risk of Murray flopping and getting nothing of significance in return. Cap space isn't an issue with the 5% increase, and Pouliot also doesn't need to be retained at the expansion draft (he has good potential but another down year and PIT won't protect him and likely lose him for nothing to LAS).

CGY gets their goalie of the future and EDM/CBJ get a young puck mover with good potential for dropping back 2-3 spots and 1-2 mid round picks.
- mventres

Before everyone starts to nuts on the trade Murray to Calgary train a couple of their posters were on in the MAF debate. The have a guy, Gillies is his name that they are very high on. The main reason they are looking for a goalie (MAF) is to bridge two years until he seasons. Really do not see them looking to have two guys in their early twenties competing for time at goaltender.

If you can trade Murray and land a top 6 pick that would give you a top line winger, it's worth it. CGY would be/is highly interested in Murray, maybe potential 3 way deal w/CBJ or EDM?

to PIT: #3, #65 (from CBJ)
to CBJ: #6, Pouliot
to CGY: Murray, #55 (from PIT)

or

to PIT: #4, #63, #91 (both from EDM)
to EDM: #6, Pouliot
to CGY: Murray, #55 (from PIT)

This lands either Puljajarvi or Tkachuk, and barring they flop, a top line winger for the next decade. PIT still has Fleury, who has at least 2-3 more good years in him, Jarry in the minors who needs 1-2 more years. This is best of win-now and win-later, and doesn't come with the risk of Murray flopping and getting nothing of significance in return. Cap space isn't an issue with the 5% increase, and Pouliot also doesn't need to be retained at the expansion draft (he has good potential but another down year and PIT won't protect him and likely lose him for nothing to LAS).

CGY gets their goalie of the future and EDM/CBJ get a young puck mover with good potential for dropping back 2-3 spots and 1-2 mid round picks.
- mventres

PIT could get further creative and swap #2 and #3 with WPG. Say:

#3 + Bennett + 2nd in 2017 for #2? Maybe add a mid-level prospect as well...

I wish there was a deal to get Boone Jenner.
- sammy87

Me too. Love that guy. Tears me apart that him and Jones are BJs.