But that's the point. If Miller was coming at him to fight in retaliation for the hit, that would be "conduct in retaliationto a prior game (or season) incident; obvious retribution for a previous incident in the game or season," would it not?
- jmatchett383

Yes, you would think. I guess since Miller didn't jump Schenn but went about it in a more gentlemanly manner, the refs thought it ok. Plus I heard Schenn was asking for it...

Speaking of Miller. He was kind of running amoc without consequence last night. First goes after Schenn after a clean hit (although they both dropped the gloves, he should have received the instigator for challenging schenn) then he clocked Read with a high crosscheck after a save by Rask. I was hoping someone would at least take a good run at him..
- Hextall271

i was flabbergasted by the lack of an instigator call. then even more so at the delay of game later in the game.

Ah, okay, sorry wasn't sure. I don't think Betts was a specialist or, if he was, was the top specialist in the league. He's the guy you want out there defending a lead late in a game, whereas a guy like Dowd and Hall were a "win the faceoff and get off the ice" types. But yeah, regardless of classification, too much ES TOI for me.
- jmatchett383

Blair Betts was better than Adam Hall in my opinion. Solid at the dot even with a bad shoulder. I never was afraid to have him on the ice. Never!

I don't have as much of an issue with our 4th line (well, 2/3 of it), I have an issue with the ES ice time allotted to them.

And the entire PP looks completely lost without Ghost. It;s one thing to generate chances and not score, but they're not even generating quality chances.
- jmatchett383

Agree about the PP.

Fixing the 3rd line will decrease the minutes the 4th line gets. Right now I'd say the coach trusts the 4th line in more situations the the Laughton line.

Might not happen this year. If Konecky makes the team in a top six role next year (big if), then Raffl could be used where RJ is playing and you have a pretty good 3rd line of Read/Laughton/Raffl.

Solid win last night..

You arent going to be the better team every night but that doesnt mean you cant win.
I think right now the big difference between vs last year Flyers is they are actually a solid ES team. Additionally they seem to have found a second line all while stacking their first line with their 3 best players.

I actually am becoming more of a fan of Hak because he is getting results. Change his name to Babcock or Bowman and everyone would be praising each move he makes. At this point the team seems very calm and stable.
- opeth_pa

just like hakstol's hair.

Blair Betts was better than Adam Hall in my opinion. Solid at the dot even with a bad shoulder. I never was afraid to have him on the ice. Never!
- SuperSchennBros

Oh, he absolutely was, especially in 09/10. He and Lappy (and Powe/Nodl) were the best 4th line we had since Otto/Podein/Klatt. But those were "elite" 4th lines, not the norm.

That's exactly how I saw it. Schenn accepted the fight, Miller didn't force Schenn into a fight.
- VladDrag

but he confronted and challenged him. after a clean hit against another player. end of story. instigator.

I love G
He's such a little kid sometimes with his antics and grilled cheese


- Marc D

but he confronted and challenged him. after a clean hit against another player. end of story. instigator.
- hammarby31

Exactly. Just because he didn't drop the gloves first or bump/grab him doesn't mean he wasn't the instigator.

Agree with all of this.
2nd PP still does not look right, don't love the 1st PP without Ghost.

Also the "3rd line" meaning Laughton Read RJ needs work.

I am actually ok with White Bellemare VDV as a 4th line, I know you disagree but they do their job of bringing some energy and getting a cycle going on ES.
- Marc D

captain obvious chiming in here, but the teams is different without gost. he adds a combination of things they simply don't have without him. and they're a hell of a lot more fun to watch when he's in the lineup.

i can't say this enough, but my god, if even just 2 of our other d prospects hit it, we're going to be a force to be reckoned with. if you consider that provorov, sanheim, and morin could all reach their potential....3-5 years from now, look out.

Sorry if this has been discussed, but how did Miller not get an instigator on that fight with Schenn? Clean hit, picks a fight = instigator. How many times this year have we seen a Flyer get an instigator when standing up for a teammate after a borderline hit?
- five4fighting10

Watch how Miller did it. He didn't skate over and jump Schenn, he came over with a light cross check and waited. Schenn actually went to drop his gloves first.

Yes, you would think. I guess since Miller didn't jump Schenn but went about it in a more gentlemanly manner, the refs thought it ok. Plus I heard Schenn was asking for it...
- wolfhounds

Did you see what he was wearing? Definitely asking for it. *




*Relax, it's just a joke. I have two daughters and know all about the seriousness of that topic.

just like hakstol's hair.
- hammarby31

He gives a good in-game interview, too.

Corey Pronman prospect rankings

Provorov #17
Konecny #23
Lindblom #37

No one else in the top 50. Sanheim is honorable mention (first 10 out)

For goalies, he has Sandstrom ranked #6 and Stolarz #10

Same reason Rinaldo didn't get a boarding minor for running MDZ into the glass.

Refs = clowns.
- Feanor

The proper non call was made there. Schenn actually went to drop his gloves first.

Re: the instigator issue

The lack of instigator call there didn't bother me in the least. I got the feeling right from the start that unless something got really out of hand the refs were going to let the players decide this one, you know, like they did in the olden days.

The point I'm making is, they should more than survive being on the ice without giving up a goal. I personally think Ryan White is fantastic.
- SuperSchennBros

That shot/pass to VDV was a thing of beauty, too bad the moron lead the shot instead of just letting the puck hit his stick and bounce right into the net.....

MDZ has been really solid and is getting it mostly done in all situations.

I like Gudas but would ideally like to not see him getting top 4 minutes when they have a team that is ready to compete for a Cup. He continues to get out of position to make a hit. There was a play in the 1st period last night where he stepped up at the Flyers blue line to make a hit, the play went past him and led to a grade A scoring chance for Boston. I still like him, his edge he brings and think he does have a future here.
- Marc D

Saw the same play Marc. Gudas needs to remove that play from his game. Still looks to hit too much.

He gives a good in-game interview, too.
- Scoob

i haven't heard one of them...or payed attention i should say...i'll be more attentive for these now. i'd like to hear what he has to say.

But that's the point. If Miller was coming at him to fight in retaliation for the hit, that would be "conduct in retaliationto a prior game (or season) incident; obvious retribution for a previous incident in the game or season," would it not?
- jmatchett383

Miller didn't come over and drop his gloves to jump Schenn.

the only real instigator issue is that it's a dumb and bad rule

Re: the instigator issue

The lack of instigator call there didn't bother me in the least. I got the feeling right from the start that unless something got really out of hand the refs were going to let the players decide this one, you know, like they did in the olden days.
- Scoob

in the scheme of things, i'd prefer the instigator penalty just go away there, unless it's crazy blatant jumping of a guy by another non-involved player. BUT, that's how they call it now - hit, other guy comes in to challenge, fight, instigator called. be (frank)ing consistent.

i haven't heard one of them...or payed attention i should say...i'll be more attentive for these now. i'd like to hear what he has to say.
- hammarby31

I usually don't pay attention to the NBCS broadcasts because, well, Pierre. But I have heard DH a couple times now and he gives good answers. Much better answers than most other coaches.

the only real instigator issue is that it's a dumb and bad rule
- BulliesPhan87

The biggest flaw is that a lot of times, the initial incident, is the true instigator of the fight.

Miller didn't come over and drop his gloves to jump Schenn.
- MJL

Nowhere in the rulebook does the word "jump" come up, nor is it implied. Miller came over to Schenn in retaliation for the hit on Krug (unless you would argue that he would have skated over to Schenn had there been no hit). Therefore, he skated over to him in retaliation for the hit, which is instigation by the rulebook.

Edit: I understand why it wasn't call, but per the rulebook, it was instigation.