LordHumungous
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Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla! Joined: 08.15.2014
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No no no no no - VANTEL
lol...JK |
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Retinalz
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Location: Vancouver, BC Joined: 01.31.2015
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I understand what you are saying, but he can do whatever he wants, he owns the team.
I just hope FA is patient enough to take a hit in the pocketbook so JB has enough time to go through the growing pains of drafting and developing a contender. - fiveandagame
You are right and wrong. Depends on the contract Linden signed. If FA has any contractual obligation to let TL do as he see's fit, or have the GM he wants or anything, he can't do anything. Doesn't matter if he owns it. |
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I don't want anyone fired. My fear is that Aquillini develops an itchy trigger finger because the team is not winning games and not selling out the building. - fiveandagame
I think the closer we get to the end of the year , and closer to a top 5 pick , fans will be on board. I think if FA makes 25 mil per year for the next three years instead of 50 mil he can cope.
This is the best thing that can happen for the Canucks over the next few years. |
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LordHumungous
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Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla! Joined: 08.15.2014
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Have you been under a rock for the past 2 years? FA has ZERO patience which is why he jumped the gun and hired torts, and why he is urging MGMT to preach the "hybrid rebuild" instead of doing what truly needs to be done and start fresh and tear the whole thing down. Jim Benning needs draft picks in order to do what he does best, but its hard when you let players walk for free and can't be a seller due to the owner's greediness. - Codes1087
Like I said in a few threads ago FA is going to have no choice but to embrace the Drafting/Developing route. Other than Chicago (who always had alot of ingredients we never did), these rebuilds on the fly usually turn out to be a bust. Plus Chicago drafted well for alot of years and reaped the benefits.
But I'm ok with the unintentional tank as well.
#tanknation
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CubanBuffet
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Location: Whine Country Joined: 08.29.2014
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While I agree that tanking is always a terrible answer to any problem, the teams you named off ALL had top 3 picks in a draft to which they built their respective teams around. The difference between those 4 teams you listed and every other team who has had a top 3 pick, is that they can draft from rounds 2 and on as well. The way I see it, at this point in the season, and from the effort in the last 3 games, is that barely making the playoffs or barely missing the playoffs gets you a good player at the draft, but not one you can build around. If this gross streak continues, Benning needs to commit to being a seller, swallow his pride and realize this team needs a full rebuild, none of this hybrid crap, and draft a Matthews, Tkachuk, Chychrun. What is the difference between 9th in the West and last in the west? A great draft pick. - Codes1087
That's not the only difference. Another is that a fan of a team that places 9th gets to watch a season full of good meaningful games. They get to see an engaged team competing. A last place team doesn't get that. It's a big difference. |
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Like I said in a few threads ago FA is going to have no choice but to embrace the Drafting/Developing route. Other than Chicago (who always had alot of ingredients we never did), these rebuilds on the fly usually turn out to be a bust. Plus Chicago drafted well for alot of years and reaped the benefits.
But I'm ok with the unintentional tank as well.
#tanknation
 - LordHumungous
I agree this team is old slow soft. FA doesn't have a choice |
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That's not the only difference. Another is that a fan of a team that places 9th gets to watch a season full of good meaningful games. They get to see an engaged team competing. A last place team doesn't get that. It's a big difference. - CubanBuffet
They are in most games until the third period . How many one goal game losses have their been. I enjoy the product still. I just don't like all the old vets |
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fiveandagame
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Location: BC Joined: 05.06.2010
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You are right and wrong. Depends on the contract Linden signed. If FA has any contractual obligation to let TL do as he see's fit, or have the GM he wants or anything, he can't do anything. Doesn't matter if he owns it. - Retinalz
So depending on Linden's contract, we both could be right or wrong.
If Linden does have some sort of autonomy clause in his contract, that is a massive leap of faith for the owner to give him, especially with his rumored history of being too hands on. To basically have a 750 million dollar investment and sign a contract that gives you no say would be pretty amazing. |
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So depending on Linden's contract, we both could be right or wrong.
If Linden does have some sort of autonomy clause in his contract, that is a massive leap of faith for the owner to give him, especially with his rumored history of being too hands on. To basically have a 750 million dollar investment and sign a contract that gives you no say would be pretty amazing. - fiveandagame
It would be pretty hard to bring in another good GM or Pres if the owner has to control everything |
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vancity787
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Location: My Parents Basement, BC Joined: 07.14.2008
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I'll be at the game tonight. A very much needed night out with my dad. Looking forward to it |
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I'll be at the game tonight. A very much needed night out with my dad. Looking forward to it  - vancity787
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fiveandagame
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Location: BC Joined: 05.06.2010
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They are in most games until the third period . How many one goal game losses have their been. I enjoy the product still. I just don't like all the old vets - VANTEL
For me its not the losses, but how they are losing. The complacency, the lack of hustle and lack of effort. I realize that they don't have the personnel to be a contender but they have to be one of the easiest teams to play against. As far as the close games go, if they fall behind a goal I don't have much confidence that they have the ability to come back. |
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belcherbd
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Location: Nanaimo Joined: 02.16.2007
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Like I said in a few threads ago FA is going to have no choice but to embrace the Drafting/Developing route. Other than Chicago (who always had alot of ingredients we never did), these rebuilds on the fly usually turn out to be a bust. Plus Chicago drafted well for alot of years and reaped the benefits.
But I'm ok with the unintentional tank as well.
#tanknation
 - LordHumungous
How did chi rebuild on the fly? Between 98 and 2007 they had 7 top 10 picks including a 1st overall and 2 3rd overalls.
They also only made the playoffs once in those 10 years....
Chicago might be the closest to a dynasty since the oilers but they were also one of the worst teams in the league for a long time, people tend to forget that.
People wishing for the tank need to remember that these things don't usually turn around in a handful of years, it takes a long time being bad to accumulate elite talent, and usually still luck plays a big factor in it.
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fiveandagame
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Location: BC Joined: 05.06.2010
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It would be pretty hard to bring in another good GM or Pres if the owner has to control everything - VANTEL
I don't think he should. Bennings strong suit is scouting. Give him a chance to draft and develop a new core which will probably take 4-7 years. Until then, get ready for some tough times. My whole point is that I just hope Aquillini is patient enough to let it happen |
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I don't think he should. Bennings strong suit is scouting. Give him a chance to draft and develop a new core which will probably take 4-7 years. Until then, get ready for some tough times. My whole point is that I just hope Aquillini is patient enough to let it happen - fiveandagame
I am a fan of Benning. |
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For me its not the losses, but how they are losing. The complacency, the lack of hustle and lack of effort. I realize that they don't have the personnel to be a contender but they have to be one of the easiest teams to play against. As far as the close games go, if they fall behind a goal I don't have much confidence that they have the ability to come back. - fiveandagame
It's the Edlers and Hamhuis's and laziness of Vrbata and lack of skill of Burr and Higgins causing most of the problems. I know Bo and Jared are taking the heat but the vets are just as guilty and not supporting the young guys |
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fiveandagame
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Location: BC Joined: 05.06.2010
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I am a fan of Benning. - VANTEL
Especially if we can dump some expiring contracts for some extra picks. I'm hoping that if Benning is as good a scout as advertised he might be able to find a couple of gems in the later rounds. |
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SMP8719
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Location: ALDY , BC Joined: 02.24.2012
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our matthews odds are terrible. Even if you try hard to tank and lose every game it does not guarantee you anything. Buffalo saw that last season.
Besides, losing is habit forming and you don't want to instill that in your team, difficult to get out. Just look at oilers for proof. TO, sabres....etc.
People here who are thinking this equates a #1 pick or instant future winning have their heads up their asses. People in dream land who have obviously never been on a team playing the game.
Isn't there 3 chances now for moving up? instead of the 1 lottery ball.
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Retinalz
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Location: Vancouver, BC Joined: 01.31.2015
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So depending on Linden's contract, we both could be right or wrong.
If Linden does have some sort of autonomy clause in his contract, that is a massive leap of faith for the owner to give him, especially with his rumored history of being too hands on. To basically have a 750 million dollar investment and sign a contract that gives you no say would be pretty amazing. - fiveandagame
No it doesn't. Signing one of Vancouver's biggest heroes(biggest in terms of Canucks) got people to buy tickets. I doubt it would have happened for as long as it did with someone else as president. FA knows this. Linden also declined him several times. FA would have given him a certain amount of power to get it done. FA is not an idiot and he likely knew/knows the teams problems and the inevitability of losing revenue. You don't own a team that long without knowing how the market works, and MG screwed the teams future possibilities of being Detroit. JB is the best man to get us started down that road. |
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Isles_since_6
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Location: Vancouver, BC Joined: 07.13.2009
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Isn't there 3 chances now for moving up? instead of the 1 lottery ball. - SMP8719
the top three picks will all be lottery picks. somehow the oilers will win all three of them despite only having one pick in the first round.
ps I found edler's offseason training video
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Makita
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Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC Joined: 02.16.2007
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the top three picks will all be lottery picks. somehow the oilers will win all three of them despite only having one pick in the first round.
ps I found edler's offseason training video
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 true on both accounts |
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hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: I didn't read it , BC Joined: 09.21.2013
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Isles_since_6
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Location: Vancouver, BC Joined: 07.13.2009
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true on both accounts - Makita
to be fair, I was originally going to post that gif as Kyle Okposo's offseason training
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SRam19
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Location: Messier the Greatest Canucks Captain Joined: 02.12.2015
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the top three picks will all be lottery picks. somehow the oilers will win all three of them despite only having one pick in the first round.
ps I found edler's offseason training video
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Thats super confidential how did you get a hold of our "How to Tank" Video. |
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Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks |
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Joined: 09.24.2014
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This thread is funny. People want a competitive team, a winning team, a top 5 pick and to sell off assets for picks all while making the playoffs. All the while keeping every player who makes minimal mistakes but getting 1st 2nd or 3rd round picks for players who have played terrible. |
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