GARTH'S CORNER: Murray Needs A Left D

GARTH'S CORNER: Murray Needs A Left D
- garth

so the best GM in all of sports didn't get his man again it appears. those 2 man decided to go elsewhere. Shocking they didn't want to go to hockey heaven and reside in pegulaville.

What makes you think the bruins would make that trade?

The simple, and correct answer is:

They wouldn't.

Good blog Garth, like a couple of those trade options

murray needs a left d and had a crap ton of centers and moved one to get a center. yep sounds smart. build from the center out, goalie, D, and centers. So it made sense going for a guy who does not play well enough to get a huge contract and demands one for a huge, highly talented dman who is an LD. great asset management.

Emelin or Tinordi?

not bashing garth here, but more pretty much everyone who analyzes a d man or defensive forward...


Why is it that when someone has a terrible +/- they say "that stat isn't actually good, because it's dependent on the other players on the ice, other analytics suggest so and so is actually really good defensively" but when their +/- is good it's the first thing mentioned?

Would love Krug, but doubt we have the ammo to give the B's without going too low in the prospect cupboard here.

not bashing garth here, but more pretty much everyone who analyzes a d man or defensive forward...


Why is it that when someone has a terrible +/- they say "that stat isn't actually good, because it's dependent on the other players on the ice, other analytics suggest so and so is actually really good defensively" but when their +/- is good it's the first thing mentioned?
- mehetmet

To be fair, their is a lot of luck involved in +/-, but generally speaking +/- shows you to be a good player, but it also could just mean you play with good players or on a good team or with good defenders or you are just on the ice when your goalie is playing lights out.

IF you look at Bergeron, he is usually in the +20 to +30 range. But this year, the goaltending when he was on the ice was awful and his on-ice shooting percentage was terrible. He had amazing possesion numbers, almost the best in the NHL, but his on-ice save percentage was .903 and his on-ice shooting percentage was 6.6% making for a dreadfully low PDO of 969, one of the worst in the NHL, certainly for a player as good as bergeron with a goalie like Rask behind him. In previous years his on-ice save percentage has been .930 up to .960 leading to an above average PDO so you can see why his +/- of +2 doesn't really show his affect on the game.

So if you see players with high +/- and a really high PDO of around 1030 or more you can be sure that it is probably an inflated +/- and they may not affect the game as much as their +/- suggests. Like this year Max Pacioretty was +38 compared to +8 the last year. His on-ice shooting percantage was identical both years at 8.9 but this year his on-ice save percentage went to .956 compared with .926 the year before. So basically his goalie Price was otherworldly especially when he was on the ice and it led to a much higher +/- for him given his PDO was 1045.

Now if we kept Zadorov, would this D thing still be a problem and the answer I say is yes. Nikita Zadorov doesn't make the the Sabres a playoff tease, ROR does.

That's why it was a no brainer trade in my opinion. Prospects. Get rid of em'.

Firstly - no way Fasching gets you Krug straight up...especially with the B's thin on D.

Secondly - i dont think any of the D you have mentioned are even remotely available. I mean if you blew the socks of the GMs of those teams maybe but with offers like Fasching straight up for Krug i dont think thats what you had in mind.

You may have more luck with guys like Emelin as his team is actively trying to move him (or so it seems), or players of that ilk.

So you don't see the rationale of trading for a proven top center, who can protect Eichel and Reinhart from playing vs. the opposing teams #1? And all it costs you is basically an immature unproven defenseman. I've got nothing for you.......

Would love Krug, but doubt we have the ammo to give the B's without going too low in the prospect cupboard here.
- chugger38

Offer sheet him?

First to Garth, we were able to trade Compher because we have Fasching, Bailey, Baptiste, we can't continue to thin the RW prospect ranks, Rochester needs players also. Gionta is probably in his last year as we hold the option on his 3rd year and when we sign O'Reilly he will able to take over being Captain. Moulson could be moved at deadline if a team needs scoring for the playoffs.
Blueman? are you even a Sabre fan or just a troll who comes on here to get a rise out of people. your sig trustinJarmo indicates your a Columbus fan, But Wait, you also claim to be a BlackHawks season tkt holder. I will clear up for you your misconception about Ryan O'Reilly. He is the consummate team player, he got bumped from his 2nd center spot by Landeskog, went to the wing and produced and didn't complain once, he asked for what he feels he is worth in the Colorado scheme of things, they balked at the asking price and they moved on and I think Buffalo stole an outstanding 2 way hockey player, if we get 60 points out of him that will put him on par with the likes of Toews, Giroux, Getzlaf and he is as good or better than any of those players on defense and we might get him for a little less money.

Emelin or Tinordi?
- Habs-Sam

Tinordi Interests me. What would the price be?

Tinordi Interests me. What would the price be?
- ImThatGuy

21 USD

Blueman? are you even a Sabre fan or just a troll who comes on here to get a rise out of people. your sig trustinJarmo indicates your a Columbus fan, But Wait, you also claim to be a BlackHawks season tkt holder. I will clear up for you your misconception about Ryan O'Reilly. He is the consummate team player, he got bumped from his 2nd center spot by Landeskog, went to the wing and produced and didn't complain once, he asked for what he feels he is worth in the Colorado scheme of things, they balked at the asking price and they moved on and I think Buffalo stole an outstanding 2 way hockey player, if we get 60 points out of him that will put him on par with the likes of Toews, Giroux, Getzlaf and he is as good or better than any of those players on defense and we might get him for a little less money.
- macman9

I think you are in LaLa land. I'm a lifelong avs fan who liked O'reilly and can only ask, how is he a "team player" when he wouldn't take a fair value contract at any point to stay with the core of guys on Colorado and he never really stepped up into a leadership role when he says that's what he wants? He's always had very solid stats but nothing that would command 8M dollars a year! Stole nothing, he was cancerous to our team and our payroll for certain. I'll buy in to him being worth more than we offered when he doesn't get to play with Duchene, Landeskog, Mackinnon or Iginla and puts up some numbers. The guy was leaving in a year anyways so we got just as big a steal out of buffalo then for the return of Zads, Grigs, Compher, 31 overall, and his 6M off the books to spend on someone who wants to play for the team.

You can take your pick of leafs with the exception of Reilly lol all we have are leftys

I think you are in LaLa land. I'm a lifelong avs fan who liked O'reilly and can only ask, how is he a "team player" when he wouldn't take a fair value contract at any point to stay with the core of guys on Colorado and he never really stepped up into a leadership role when he says that's what he wants? He's always had very solid stats but nothing that would command 8M dollars a year! Stole nothing, he was cancerous to our team and our payroll for certain. I'll buy in to him being worth more than we offered when he doesn't get to play with Duchene, Landeskog, Mackinnon or Iginla and puts up some numbers. The guy was leaving in a year anyways so we got just as big a steal out of buffalo then for the return of Zads, Grigs, Compher, 31 overall, and his 6M off the books to spend on someone who wants to play for the team.
- nick6413

I hear Dion P is available. A future Buffalo captain in the waiting!

It seems to me that Colorado didn't want this "cancer" to go away otherwise they wouldn't have matched Calgary's offer, instead it seems they wanted to pigeon hole him into a lower role on the team at a lower rate. Not that he was starving by any means, he was after all paid 6 mil last year and this year also. Did he refuse to be a leader on the team or was he stifled by management? I don't have a problem acquiring a player who believes in his ability and thinks he should be compensated for it when there are plenty of players in the league stealing money from their employers on a nightly basis. i.e. Semin, Kessel, Hodgson just to name a few.
I feel confident that ROR is going to come to Buffalo with a huge chip on his shoulder to prove that he is indeed a capable #1 center. I also wish nothing but the best for the guys we sent Colorado's way, I surely didn't want move Zadarov or Compher, but sometimes you have to give up good players to get good players.

Phaneuf would be way down the list for future Captain of the Buffalo Sabres. no thank you, Toronto can keep him

I think you are in LaLa land. I'm a lifelong avs fan who liked O'reilly and can only ask, how is he a "team player" when he wouldn't take a fair value contract at any point to stay with the core of guys on Colorado and he never really stepped up into a leadership role when he says that's what he wants? He's always had very solid stats but nothing that would command 8M dollars a year! Stole nothing, he was cancerous to our team and our payroll for certain. I'll buy in to him being worth more than we offered when he doesn't get to play with Duchene, Landeskog, Mackinnon or Iginla and puts up some numbers. The guy was leaving in a year anyways so we got just as big a steal out of buffalo then for the return of Zads, Grigs, Compher, 31 overall, and his 6M off the books to spend on someone who wants to play for the team.
- nick6413

He'll do fine on the 1st line with Kane and Ennis, and being completely healthy. The trade benefits both teams.

so the best GM in all of sports didn't get his man again it appears. those 2 man decided to go elsewhere. Shocking they didn't want to go to hockey heaven and reside in pegulaville.

What makes you think the bruins would make that trade?

--- rinaldo

What makes you think the Bruins won't do that trade? Have you seen how Sweeney has been giving away his roster for not much in return?

Yeah, Hamilton trade was bad but that's the only one (except maybe the Rinaldo but he didn't sell a player.

Lucic, with one year left on his contract, got a net worth of 2 firsts and 2 prospects. That's a hell of a haul. Then he got rid of an awful contract of smith while gettin Hayes AND getting rid of Savards dead money.

How is that giving players away?