what's funny is we've all been commenting pretty much the exact same things for the past week+. Provorov, trade down/up, Zacha good/no good, Crouse bad, Marner gift, Barzal the man, O'Reilly, bla bla bla lol.
- MartysBetter88

hopefully Shero thinks like we do.

hopefully Shero thinks like we do.
- smellmyfinger

Lou and DeBoer usually thought the opposite, minus the Cam signing, so I can't really be disappointed. Reality and recent history, not a pessimistic outlook, has taught me to expect generally the opposite of what would make sense with this team. I can be surprised and thrilled, but they can't surprise me in a negative way anymore. knock on wood.

It's my fear of him being willing to trade down but not as open to trading up. This has me bumbed because it likely means we are settling a 2-3 lesser assets that have even less shot of panning out. We will negate the need for an offensive horse to have a team that plays just like the 90's Devils we all have tape players so do we really need to see this ? Can't we finally be built to score lol ? I'm going nuts here so don't take anything to close to the heart lol
- blizzzard

The difference between that second group of forwards is negligible. We won't be trading down from a position of drafting marner or strome, we're trading down from zacha/crouse/barzal/rantanen to select zacha/crouse/barzal/rantanen.

Lou and DeBoer usually thought the opposite, minus the Cam signing, so I can't really be disappointed. Reality and recent history, not a pessimistic outlook, has taught me to expect generally the opposite of what would make sense with this team. I can be surprised and thrilled, but they can't surprise me in a negative way anymore. knock on wood.
- MartysBetter88

As long as at the end of the day when they do the draft day winners and losers we aren't one of the losers like last year just a pitta full draft that might of sent us a whole draft behind. That also kind has me weary about what could be a very good piece for a couple of ok pieces because we need at least one honerun pick this draft and it would be nice if we did that with our first 3 picks. Watch Shero trade our first to Colombus for their 4 second rounders lol that's a nj move. We always fear we might end up with a good player so we botch it by selling a lot of crap.its like we are that kid who is promised the sports car and when the day finally comes we hear sorry son I didn't get you a Beamer but I got you this Saturn, a sled from the 80's a homemade four wheeler and some prints of paintings hope you like it lol.

One item that is worth 100 bucks is still better then three items that are only worth 60 is basically all I'm trying to say. Moving down for an additional second isn't spectacular when you think of what the teams picking 3-5 will get from moving down. They will get prized pieces to move out of their spot and we will be offered a lawn mower to move out of ours. Lou really did do a good job of making sure we finish in the absolute worst spot we could for the draft as it will be to high to move up where we are and you will get significantly less to move down then the teams just one pick ahead of you could get. Any way you look at it we are second tier. That's all our offense has ever been since I've been q Devils fan ( minus a year here or there ).

wonder if we would trade with philly if provorov is still available at #6 and they really want him

I hope we pick at six unless the return to move out is stupid and then try to package a defense man and a pick for another first. Seconds are great if we again want a second tier rebuild. Every team who turns it around fast does it wil multiple firsts and not so much multiple seconds.

- rmdevil313

oh come on now. don't make me make the list again. I know you have a list of your own to counter mine,.. but I did say "usually".

for example.. recent news is MSL has mutual interest with Pens and Devils.

I'll never forget this quote from DeBoer, "If you don't laugh about, it you'd cry."

One item that is worth 100 bucks is still better then three items that are only worth 60 is basically all I'm trying to say. Moving down for an additional second isn't spectacular when you think of what the teams picking 3-5 will get from moving down. They will get prized pieces to move out of their spot and we will be offered a lawn mower to move out of ours. Lou really did do a good job of making sure we finish in the absolute worst spot we could for the draft as it will be to high to move up where we are and you will get significantly less to move down then the teams just one pick ahead of you could get. Any way you look at it we are second tier. That's all our offense has ever been since I've been q Devils fan ( minus a year here or there ).
- blizzzard

You are putting more value on the number of the pick than the quality of the player selected. There are noticeable dropoffs in every draft, if you don't include Prov in the top 6 then there is a noticeable one after 5.

Grossmann for #41 pick?

oh come on now. don't make me make the list again. I know you have a list of your own to counter mine,.. but I did say "usually".

for example.. recent news is MSL has mutual interest with Pens and Devils.

I'll never forget this quote from DeBoer, "If you don't laugh about, it you'd cry."
- MartysBetter88

Not sure I saw the first one

But I think deboer would have been gone a lot sooner if there were a lot of disagreements. DeBoer just joined the team at a really poopty time and tried to make something out of a team largely full of nothing. MSL is just an easy opportunity for a 2nd or 3rd rounder at the deadline.

Todd Cordell: Setting The Table For Round 1
- Todd.Cordell

I will (frank)ing cry if we take crouse at 6

Grossmann for #41 pick?
- Streit2ThePoint

we are trying to get faster and your the flyers and that pick will likely yield a better asset then grossman himself. We are also likely looking at signing Martin which would eliminate a need for another veteran defense man when we have severson, Larson and which ever one of Merrill and gelinas that doesn't get moved. We need to score more goals not try to prevent fewer.

Not sure I saw the first one

But I think deboer would have been gone a lot sooner if there were a lot of disagreements. DeBoer just joined the team at a really poopty time and tried to make something out of a team largely full of nothing. MSL is just an easy opportunity for a 2nd or 3rd rounder at the deadline.
- rmdevil313

we can flip him at the deadline. Point is, we're better with him than without him.. and I'm at a place where I'd rather pick 5th overall than 12th. Not saying MSL makes THAT much a difference, but if NJ is looking to add guys like this, we could finish 10-12th, instead of letting the kids play and getting another 5th overall. You need a Toews AND a Kane, a Crosby AND a Malkin, a Datsyuk AND a Zetterberg..

.... a Parise and Kovy frown emoticon

I will (frank)ing cry if we take crouse at 6
- shvingter88

I have his world jr Canada card but I would cry to

I have his world jr Canada card but I would cry to
- blizzzard

we can flip him at the deadline. Point is, we're better with him than without him.. and I'm at a place where I'd rather pick 5th overall than 12th. Not saying MSL makes THAT much a difference, but if NJ is looking to add guys like this, we could finish 10-12th, instead of letting the kids play and getting another 5th overall. You need a Toews AND a Kane, a Crosby AND a Malkin, a Datsyuk AND a Zetterberg..

.... a Parise and Kovy frown emoticon
- MartysBetter88

I agree man and I got a feeling we get better just by cutting some dead weight ( addition by subtraction ) so I'm curious what we do to make us worse for next year and we are still going to add a UFa or two ( who will likely be upgrades ) I can't see us finishing worse then this year just by adding a few players to fill out a roster. Their will be internal growth and new players brought plus I think Cory has another level now that he's tasted a full year as number one. We need to be moving guys to make sure we have a good chance of winning a lottery pick next year.

we can flip him at the deadline. Point is, we're better with him than without him.. and I'm at a place where I'd rather pick 5th overall than 12th. Not saying MSL makes THAT much a difference, but if NJ is looking to add guys like this, we could finish 10-12th, instead of letting the kids play and getting another 5th overall. You need a Toews AND a Kane, a Crosby AND a Malkin, a Datsyuk AND a Zetterberg..

.... a Parise and Kovy frown emoticon
- MartysBetter88

Then we stockpile assets and make a trade for a seguin, kovy, etc. Every now and then they become available but tanking is a dangerous game. Are we going to tell Larsson and Severson to stop playing well?

Then we stockpile assets and make a trade for a seguin, kovy, etc. Every now and then they become available but tanking is a dangerous game. Are we going to tell Larsson and Severson to stop playing well?
- rmdevil313

No but I don't think you look to add to many guys who make us better then we need to be next year. Unless of course they are young players we traded for. Our advantage this draft should be that a lot of teams are looking for help on defense and we are looking at moving a young d man that could speed up a teams process vs drafting a d man and waiting 3-5 years for it to pay off. We should be able to get a decent pick for Merrill or gelinas on there own and if we can move one of them and a second or even both to maybe sj ? And pick 6 and 9 ( or something similar ) I would prefer that over moving down for a worse pick and additional second. Maybe you guys like the idea of trading our d man of choice and a second or both for a young NHL player with star qualities ?

After the Lehner trade does anyone think we have a better chance of getting a first for a package of one of our young d or do you think the market is different and Lehner is more valuable then our player ? ( I'm not to high on Lehner ).

No but I don't think you look to add to many guys who make us better then we need to be next year. Unless of course they are young players we traded for. Our advantage this draft should be that a lot of teams are looking for help on defense and we are looking at moving a young d man that could speed up a teams process vs drafting a d man and waiting 3-5 years for it to pay off. We should be able to get a decent pick for Merrill or gelinas on there own and if we can move one of them and a second or even both to maybe sj ? And pick 6 and 9 ( or something similar ) I would prefer that over moving down for a worse pick and additional second. Maybe you guys like the idea of trading our d man of choice and a second or both for a young NHL player with star qualities ?
- blizzzard

High second or low first at best, and even then I'm a bit skeptical. But there's no way we are going to be able to package a bunch of lower end potential assets for another pick in the top half of this draft. THat is exactly what you said you were afraid of the devils doing (even though I can't recall one time they did it). Merrill and Gelinas are not landing us a young forward with star qualities unless we add another piece that is much more valuable, like the 6th overall.

- shvingter88

You will have to wait till tomorrow to hear us call greenways name :p

High second or low first at best, and even then I'm a bit skeptical. But there's no way we are going to be able to package a bunch of lower end potential assets for another pick in the top half of this draft. THat is exactly what you said you were afraid of the devils doing (even though I can't recall one time they did it). Merrill and Gelinas are not landing us a young forward with star qualities unless we add another piece that is much more valuable, like the 6th overall.
- rmdevil313

Two first this year one int the top ten and a possible top five next year would be fantastic

Crossing my fingers that Marner falls to us. If not I hope we move back a spot or two and get another 2nd rounder.