Carol Schram: Vancouver Canucks: Happy Father's Day, Spotlight on Jansen Harkins A look at North Vancouver's Jansen Harkins, a projected first-rounder in next week's draft, as well as the lay of the land in trade talks around the league.

ManVanfan . Sorry I don't accept teams just trying to squeak in the playoffs. Sh1t or get off the pot. Don't just sit there. If you are not good enough to win it all , you find the fastest line to get there. You do not just sit back and let contracts expire. You are so wrong on every level.

If you know you are not good enough you start making big changes now .

Carol Schram: Vancouver Canucks: Happy Father's Day, Spotlight on Jansen Harkins
A look at North Vancouver's Jansen Harkins, a projected first-rounder in next week's draft, as well as the lay of the land in trade talks around the league.
- Carol Schram

To Darius Knight:

From last thread, I agree although I'm not sure if this July 1st or next would be better. I feel that we don't have any other 1st liners or even really a 2nd line ready to step up. Also I feel this years free agent class to be quite weak. Since the sedins are untradeable anyways, it might be best to keep them for 1 more year. But I'll make it perfectly clear that I don't want them here on July 1st 2016.

I wish the Canucks would've drafted Jeremy Roenick instead of Trevor Linden

Please go explain that in th Edmonton forum. 4 first overall picks. 9 years without making the playoffs. Still have a ton of needs. Tanking doesn't make your team better. I guess Pittsburgh should sell Crosby and Malkin because they aren't winning cups. You win cups by drafting, not tanking.

Please go explain that in th Edmonton forum. 4 first overall picks. 9 years without making the playoffs. Still have a ton of needs. Tanking doesn't make your team better. I guess Pittsburgh should sell Crosby and Malkin because they aren't winning cups. You win cups by drafting, not tanking.
- manvanfan

Rebuild equals tanking

Look at 5 of the last 6 SC winners are teams that have gone through rebuilds

7 of the last 10 years. ANA TB Chi LA have all won SC

Because one team took longer and now seem to be on the right path you think all rebuilds will fail.

Teams trending up WPG Fla EDm Buff Minny ANA TB
Teams trending down SJ Van

Pitts should trade Crosby , his body has gone through a lot, his numbers are coming back down to earth, the team is struggling when they make the playoffs

To Darius Knight:

From last thread, I agree although I'm not sure if this July 1st or next would be better. I feel that we don't have any other 1st liners or even really a 2nd line ready to step up. Also I feel this years free agent class to be quite weak. Since the sedins are untradeable anyways, it might be best to keep them for 1 more year. But I'll make it perfectly clear that I don't want them here on July 1st 2016.
- I-own_da-Northwest

Keep away from FA pool . Save the cap space for meaningful deals

Please go explain that in th Edmonton forum. 4 first overall picks. 9 years without making the playoffs. Still have a ton of needs. Tanking doesn't make your team better. I guess Pittsburgh should sell Crosby and Malkin because they aren't winning cups. You win cups by drafting, not tanking.
- manvanfan

I think you'd see the Oilers in a bit better position if they previously had competent management. Just my opinion but you don't need that many top five picks to turn your franchise around.

I wish the Canucks would've drafted Jeremy Roenick instead of Trevor Linden
- LeftCoaster

Tuesday is still two days away...

Rebuild equals tanking

Look at 5 of the last 6 SC winners are teams that have gone through rebuilds

7 of the last 10 years. ANA TB Chi LA have all won SC

Because one team took longer and now seem to be on the right path you think all rebuilds will fail.

Teams trending up WPG Fla EDm Buff Minny

Teams trending down SJ Van
- VANTEL

went from 6th last to 8th best. I don't see how that's trending down? Minn trending because they went out and signed 2 star players? Edmonton just got another first overall pick. How is that up?

I think you'd see the Oilers in a bit better position if they previously had competent management. Just my opinion but you don't need that many top five picks to turn your franchise around.
- LeftCoaster

No you dont. LA and chi ago were drafting in the 10-15 range years before they were real bad for a couple of seasons. 4 to be exact for Chicago.

went from 6th last to 8th best. I don't see how that's trending down? Minn trending because they went out and signed 2 star players? Edmonton just got another first overall pick. How is that up?
- manvanfan

Because McDavid is a generational, once a decade player. Their youth will be in their prime when guys like sedins, Thornton, marleau, Getzlaf, perry are retiring.

went from 6th last to 8th best. I don't see how that's trending down? Minn trending because they went out and signed 2 star players? Edmonton just got another first overall pick. How is that up?
- manvanfan

Sorry too tired to argue with old school thinking. One day you will realize that 1/3 of the leagues GMs all went the route of selecting a higher draft pick and will improve their club next year. Corsi and strategic positional drafting ( what you call tanking )is now part of hockey. Like it or not , you need to catch up to the times.


If you don't think EDm or Buf improved in the last couple of years by gettingNurse Draisitl McDavid Reinhart and Eichel then there is little I can ever add to change your way of thinking

You will have to remain on the side that thinks rebuilds are evil and I will remain pro rebuild

Rebuild equals tanking

Look at 5 of the last 6 SC winners are teams that have gone through rebuilds

7 of the last 10 years. ANA TB Chi LA have all won SC

Because one team took longer and now seem to be on the right path you think all rebuilds will fail.

Teams trending up WPG Fla EDm Buff Minny


Teams trending down SJ Van

Pitts should trade Crosby , his body has gone through a lot, his numbers are coming back down to earth, the team is struggling when they make the playoffs
- VANTEL

In the past six years only three teams have won the Stanley Cup. Hawks, Kings & Bruins. Non of them "rebuilt" IMO, semantics I know, they just simply built.

The Bruins hadn't won since the early 70's, the Hawks hadn't won since the 60's and the Kings had never won.

Taking advantage of a poor finish, drafting and building from within is really what it's all about. That's not just top five picks either, it's drafting well from top to bottom like Yzerman has done. He's had a few misses, as all GM's do, but he's got great asset management skill. Lots of picks equals more chances to get it right.

Tuesday is still two days away...


- LordHumungous

Oh

Because McDavid is a generational, once a decade player. Their youth will be in their prime when guys like sedins, Thornton, marleau, Getzlaf, perry are retiring.
- I-own_da-Northwest

Yup and edmonton will be the team to beat. It will have only took 12 years?

In the past six years only three teams have won the Stanley Cup. Hawks, Kings & Bruins. Non of them "rebuilt" IMO, semantics I know, they just simply built.

The Bruins hadn't won since the early 70's, the Hawks hadn't won since the 60's and the Kings had never won.

Taking advantage of a poor finish, drafting and building from within is really what it's all about. That's not just top five picks either, it's drafting well from top to bottom like Yzerman has done. He's had a few misses, as all GM's do, but he's got great asset management skill. Lots of picks equals more chances to get it right.
- LeftCoaster

Top 5 picks help but you need other players too. Before Kane and toews, Chicago drafted. Buff, Keith, sea brook, bickell, Hjalmarsson.

Before LA was bad they had quick, brown, kopitar, Lewis, Martinez. Then picked up doughty and Brayden Schenn who was used to get Richards.

Sorry too tired to argue with old school thinking. One day you will realize that 1/3 of the leagues GMs all went the route of selecting a higher draft pick and will improve their club next year. Corsi and strategic positional drafting ( what you call tanking )is now part of hockey. Like it or not , you need to catch up to the times.


If you don't think EDm or Buf improved in the last couple of years by gettingNurse Draisitl McDavid Reinhart and Eichel then there is little I can ever add to change your way of thinking

You will have to remain on the side that thinks rebuilds are evil and I will remain pro rebuild
- VANTEL

Your theory also believes if you don't win the cup, you should tank.

In the past six years only three teams have won the Stanley Cup. Hawks, Kings & Bruins. Non of them "rebuilt" IMO, semantics I know, they just simply built.

The Bruins hadn't won since the early 70's, the Hawks hadn't won since the 60's and the Kings had never won.

Taking advantage of a poor finish, drafting and building from within is really what it's all about. That's not just top five picks either, it's drafting well from top to bottom like Yzerman has done. He's had a few misses, as all GM's do, but he's got great asset management skill. Lots of picks equals more chances to get it right.
- LeftCoaster

Kings and Hawks were bad teams before they got better they drafted high with picks of Kane Toews Doughty Schenn who turned into Richards or Carter

Your theory also believes if you don't win the cup, you should tank.
- manvanfan

In the immortal words of Ricky Bobby " If you ain't winning, you're losing"

I never taught any of my teams to try and be # 2

Yup and edmonton will be the team to beat. It will have only took 12 years?
- manvanfan

If they win a cup, will 12-15 years be worth it?

I've been waiting for 24, and only seen my team realilistically compete for 2 in that time period.

Top 5 picks help but you need other players too. Before Kane and toews, Chicago drafted. Buff, Keith, sea brook, bickell, Hjalmarsson.

Before LA was bad they had quick, brown, kopitar, Lewis, Martinez. Then picked up doughty and Brayden Schenn who was used to get Richards.
- manvanfan

Exactly...simply picking top three will get you more top three's if you don't build throughout the entire draft.

Chicago only had two top three picks and their first overall pick they actually finished 5th last but won the lottery.

Kings and Hawks were bad teams before they got better they drafted high with picks of Kane Toews Doughty Schenn who turned into Richards or Carter
- VANTEL

Yes top three picks help, no disagreement from me there, just simply saying you don't need anymore than a couple bad finishes before you should be able to turn it around.

In the immortal words of Ricky Bobby " If you ain't winning, you're losing"

I never taught any of my teams to try and be # 2
- VANTEL

But 30th is okay?

Yes top three picks help, no disagreement from me there, just simply saying you don't need anymore than a couple bad finishes before you should be able to turn it around.
- LeftCoaster

I am saying that too. I pointed out the rebuild teams that have won recently had

Crosby Malkin
Perry Getzlaf
Toews Kane
Doughty plus Kopitar not a top 5 pick.

After that surround the team with good players.