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Dangles13
Edmonton Oilers
Location: MB
Joined: 02.08.2011

Jun 18 @ 2:59 PM ET
Strange post. Not sure how you want to turn 16 and 33 into 2 picks in the 20's.
- HonkyTonkMan


Or why really, there is good talent in the 20's but there is better talent at 16.
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jun 18 @ 3:07 PM ET
Or why really, there is great talent in the 20's but there is better talent at 16.
- Dangles13

Why the (frank) are we talking about picks for picks at all. It should be picks and prospects for proven assets.

Even if this is better than 2003 how long did it take Parise, Getzlaf, Burns, Kesler, Richards and Perry to make impacts?

Parise his 4th year
Getzlaf 4th year
Burns 5th
Kesler 5 or 6?
Richards 5th
Perry 4th

Do we really have that kind of time? Only to find out we got a Bernier, Fehr, Nilsson or Eaves type?

I just don't know that people realize how long we are going to be waiting for these guys to make any sort of impact.
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jun 18 @ 3:07 PM ET
there is one (frank) hurt knob goblin BlueJackets fan in here, he needs to get his ass roasted
Dangles13
Edmonton Oilers
Location: MB
Joined: 02.08.2011

Jun 18 @ 3:09 PM ET
Why the (frank) are we talking about picks for picks at all. It should be picks and prospects for proven assets.

Even if this is better than 2003 how long did it take Parise, Getzlaf, Burns, Kesler, Richards and Perry to make impacts?

Parise his 4th year
Getzlaf 4th year
Burns 5th
Kesler 5 or 6?
Richards 5th
Perry 4th

Do we really have that kind of time? Only to find out we got a Bernier, Fehr, Nilsson or Eaves type?

I just don't know that people realize how long we are going to be waiting for these guys to make any sort of impact.

- Lahey


The Oilers still need to look the future though. The Oilers could certainly use a Perry 4 years from now after they're forced to move out some salary because of all the high level talent they have.
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Jun 18 @ 3:12 PM ET
there is one (frank) hurt knob goblin BlueJackets fan in here, he needs to get his ass roasted
- DDM-Coga



You talkin about redsfan something or other? He's a real piece of work.
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jun 18 @ 3:14 PM ET
The Oilers still need to look the future though. The Oilers could certainly use a Perry 4 years from now after they're forced to move out some salary because of all the high level talent they have.
- Dangles13

If they don't start fixing the holes now they are going to end up with even more holes 4 years from now.


DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jun 18 @ 3:15 PM ET
You talkin about redsfan something or other? He's a real piece of work.
- mdw7413


yeah, hes a legit snap show,
accused me of always replying to his posts with rebtualls, had no idea who the (frank) this guy was until today.

Hes a legit conspiracy nut
Dangles13
Edmonton Oilers
Location: MB
Joined: 02.08.2011

Jun 18 @ 3:16 PM ET
If they don't start fixing the holes now they are going to end up with even more holes 4 years from now.
- Lahey


I agree with you there but the best organizations still find ways to add quality prospects whether via trade or signings. I'd be all for trading some picks to improve those holes now. I just don't want to see the Oilers go the Rangers way and never have any picks.
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Jun 18 @ 3:16 PM ET
yeah, hes a legit snap show,
accused me of always replying to his posts with rebtualls, had no idea who the (frank) this guy was until today.

Hes a legit conspiracy nut

- DDM-Coga





Yeah I ran into him once, he was talking about how Nash is just a lazy floater. He isn't very bright.
HonkyTonkMan
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Home to ruined prospects and overpaid slugs', AB
Joined: 06.10.2015

Jun 18 @ 3:16 PM ET
If they don't start fixing the holes now they are going to end up with even more holes 4 years from now.
- Lahey

I agree....but it's safe to say that in 3 years those ELC's are gonna become a necessity.
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Jun 18 @ 3:17 PM ET
I agree with you there but the best organizations still find ways to add quality prospects whether via trade or signings. I'd be all for trading some picks to improve those holes now. I just don't want to see the Oilers go the Rangers way and never have any picks.
- Dangles13



We have picks, Sather just hates 1st rounders. And sometimes 2nds.
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jun 18 @ 3:18 PM ET


Yeah I ran into him once, he was talking about how Nash is just a lazy floater. He isn't very bright.

- mdw7413


I swear he just started watching hockey 3-4 years ago, I get that vibe from him
Dangles13
Edmonton Oilers
Location: MB
Joined: 02.08.2011

Jun 18 @ 3:18 PM ET
We have picks, Sather just hates 1st rounders. And sometimes 2nds.
- mdw7413


Exactly my point. He also seems to sour on prospects rather quickly.
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jun 18 @ 3:18 PM ET
I agree with you there but the best organizations still find ways to add quality prospects whether via trade or signings. I'd be all for trading some picks to improve those holes now. I just don't want to see the Oilers go the Rangers way and never have any picks.
- Dangles13

I'm not suggesting that, but this team has spent far too long holding onto picks. We've need to slowly trade picks for legit NHLers the past 5 years, but instead we used them on longshot goalies or plugs.

With the exception being Perron, but then we reversed that move anyway.
Dangles13
Edmonton Oilers
Location: MB
Joined: 02.08.2011

Jun 18 @ 3:19 PM ET
I swear he just started watching hockey 3-4 years ago, I get that vibe from him
- DDM-Coga


How dare you make that accusation of him. If you seriously think that then don't even bother responding to this post cuz u dumm.
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jun 18 @ 3:19 PM ET
I agree....but it's safe to say that in 3 years those ELC's are gonna become a necessity.
- HonkyTonkMan

If we are in that dire of a situation I'm sure we could do what the other high end teams do and that's sign vets to cheap deals.
HonkyTonkMan
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Home to ruined prospects and overpaid slugs', AB
Joined: 06.10.2015

Jun 18 @ 3:19 PM ET
I swear he just started watching hockey 3-4 years ago, I get that vibe from him
- DDM-Coga

He seemed a bit spazzy, IMO
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Jun 18 @ 3:19 PM ET
I swear he just started watching hockey 3-4 years ago, I get that vibe from him
- DDM-Coga



Exact impression I got.
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jun 18 @ 3:19 PM ET
I swear he just started watching hockey 3-4 years ago, I get that vibe from him
- DDM-Coga

Who HA?
HonkyTonkMan
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Home to ruined prospects and overpaid slugs', AB
Joined: 06.10.2015

Jun 18 @ 3:20 PM ET
I'm not suggesting that, but this team has spent far too long holding onto picks. We've need to slowly trade picks for legit NHLers the past 5 years, but instead we used them on longshot goalies or plugs.

With the exception being Perron, but then we reversed that move anyway.

- Lahey

Mac at moved 2nds around to address goaltending.
Dangles13
Edmonton Oilers
Location: MB
Joined: 02.08.2011

Jun 18 @ 3:20 PM ET
I'm not suggesting that, but this team has spent far too long holding onto picks. We've need to slowly trade picks for legit NHLers the past 5 years, but instead we used them on longshot goalies or plugs.

With the exception being Perron, but then we reversed that move anyway.

- Lahey


I think they should try to package that 16th with Marincin/Schultz for a top pairing defender, try to trade a 2nd/3rd for a goalie and then try to sign one of the top defensemen via free agency.
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jun 18 @ 3:22 PM ET
Exactly my point. He also seems to sour on prospects rather quickly.
- Dangles13

I wouldn't say that. A good portion of their team was built internally. I think what he's not afraid to do is pull that trigger and bring in proven vet talent at the cost of picks/prospects. As much as he moves guys they still have Lundqvist, Krieder, Hayes, Hagelin, Staal, Miller and others on the club. They'd still have Callahan but flipped him for St.Louis, so it's not at all that bad.
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jun 18 @ 3:23 PM ET
Mac at moved 2nds around to address goaltending.
- HonkyTonkMan

I thought it was thirds?
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Jun 18 @ 3:24 PM ET
Exactly my point. He also seems to sour on prospects rather quickly.
- Dangles13



Yeah, the MSL one I thought was an overpayment, but I also look at what Tampa is now going to pay Cally for a 3rd liner and the Rangers would have been (frank)ed if they gave him that.

Yandle is still a toss up for me. Have to see how he plays a full year and if he will re-sign with us. Also it will be interesting to see how Duclair plays for Tanner. Had a great camp with us last year but then sort of faded. Also heard he had some issues with attitude in the Q at the end of the year.
edmhatescal
Edmonton Oilers
Location: NY
Joined: 11.08.2011

Jun 18 @ 3:25 PM ET
didnt read the blog, cloutier says hi
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