I think that was a proposed trade, not an actual. I haven't seen that posted anywhere.
- thickman1178

OK, backing away from the ledge.

OK, backing away from the ledge.
- powerhouse

ha I just said wow cause that was an awful proposal

So Fancy stats say we win the cup now right?

Sid on the Go Pro.

ha I just said wow cause that was an awful proposal
- YouMeAndDupuis9

You scared the crap out of me. I'm all happy drinking wine and eating cookies and it was like, WTF? Whew!

Drooling?

How upset are you going to be when you realize he's a slightly better Taylor Pyatt?

I mean he's an upgrade on what is there now but he's not a game changer.
- canadianpenfan

He's better than Pyatt. He's actually really similar to Spaling. Good defensively. Big but not overly physical. Typically a negative possession player for his career.

Biggest difference is that Winnik has played a top 6 role for most of the year and has 25 points, while Spaling played a top 6 role for a little while and has 22.

We'll see. I think he's here for a 4th line only role. Winnik also is a deluxe penalty killer, so they could easily do without Adams given this trade, with Winnik, Lapierre and Downie holding down what would now be a pretty well rounded 4th line.

He's better than Pyatt. He's actually really similar to Spaling. Good defensively. Big but not overly physical. Typically a negative possession player for his career.

Biggest difference is that Winnik has played a top 6 role for most of the year and has 25 points, while Spaling played a top 6 role for a little while and has 22.

We'll see. I think he's here for a 4th line only role. Winnik also is a deluxe penalty killer, so they could easily do without Adams given this trade, with Winnik, Lapierre and Downie holding down what would now be a pretty well rounded 4th line.
- hardnosed

Well that 4th line isn't happening. Rutherford stated a few times today winnik will fit in our top 9 nicely

You scared the crap out of me. I'm all happy drinking wine and eating cookies and it was like, WTF? Whew!
- powerhouse

obligatory "watch for fake twitter accounts" warning

obligatory "watch for fake twitter accounts" warning
- YouMeAndDupuis9

@MolinariPG: Rutherford: "There's a good chance that we're done [with moves before the deadline]."

Well that 4th line isn't happening. Rutherford stated a few times today winnik will fit in our top 9 nicely
- dbell646

I didn't take Rutherford's top six and top 9 comments as gospel, he was selling his new acquisition's merits.

Aw man... You just killed my buzz bringing up that name. He's got to be better than that. Just has to be....

+15. More points than Sutturd. HAS to be.
- madmike71

I said BETTER than Pyatt.

But for real, that's who he reminds me of. He's like a more tenacious and faster, but not much, Pyatt. Same minimal offensive skillset and the same knack for not taking advantage of their size. My point is only that anyone expecting him to be awesome is going to be upset.

I would love him to prove me wrong and be a force.

I didn't take Rutherford's top six and top 9 comments as gospel, he was selling his new acquisition's merits.
- hardnosed

@penguins: Winnik: “My biggest strength is my penalty kill. I’ve logged a lot of minutes on the PK with Toronto… So I look forward to helping that."

I said BETTER than Pyatt.

But for real, that's who he reminds me of. He's like a more tenacious and faster, but not much, Pyatt. Same minimal offensive skillset and the same knack for not taking advantage of their size. My point is only that anyone expecting him to be awesome is going to be upset.

I would love him to prove me wrong and be a force.
- canadianpenfan

And it only cost a 2nd and a 4th

the weird thing about this front office is that they'll pay for Winnik, who is kinda the #fancystats dream boy, yet Sutter remains the 3C.

ya gotta think he'll be moved if possible.

Ovechkin Laich Semin.
- hardnosed

Lol seems like you've got a line

@MolinariPG: Rutherford: "There's a good chance that we're done
- joescullz[with moves before the deadline]."

This team still has sutter and adams on it..and no jagr or another top 6 guy.... plus barely any picks in a great draft class... just don't know how they can win and continue to win...

@penguins: Winnik: “My biggest strength is my penalty kill. I’ve logged a lot of minutes on the PK with Toronto… So I look forward to helping that."
- joescullz

Winnik - Sutter - Bennett

Spaling - Lapierre - Downie

Sounds pretty Good. Lets ser on the ice how it goes.

I said BETTER than Pyatt.

But for real, that's who he reminds me of. He's like a more tenacious and faster, but not much, Pyatt. Same minimal offensive skillset and the same knack for not taking advantage of their size. My point is only that anyone expecting him to be awesome is going to be upset.

I would love him to prove me wrong and be a force.
- canadianpenfan

Honestly, I haven't seen Winnik play very much. I'm certainly not expecting him to be a force, but I am expecting him to be a contributor (not necessarily points).

When I read Pyatt's name in the same sentence as Winnik's, my heart sunk.

Pyatt is literally burned on my brain as one of the worst players to play for this team in the Crosby era.

the weird thing about this front office is that they'll pay for Winnik, who is kinda the #fancystats dream boy, yet Sutter remains the 3C.

ya gotta think he'll be moved if possible.
- poopmouth

Have you looked at Winnik's fancy stats?!? They're not much better than Sutter's.

Have you looked at Winnik's fancy stats?!? They're not much better than Sutter's.
- hardnosed

He isnt getting paid 3.3 mil a year either..

it's SO hard to tell what Jagr's trade value might be. Gotta think it's in the Tlusty neighborhood, right?

I know i'd feel dang good about a middle 6 of

kunitz malkin jagr
Comeau Winnik Bennett

The salary cancellation would work between sutter/jagr.

Wonder if Sutter+Jarry could bring Jagr, and either a pick or Zidlicky.

I don't wanna trade the yound, NHL ready D men because they'll need cheap defense for when they bring in Jordan Staal in the offseason

Have you looked at Winnik's fancy stats?!? They're not much better than Sutter's.
- hardnosed

i dunno. i think they indicate that Sutter is more of a 4th liner, and that Winnik is a legit 3rd liner with some underlying 2nd line ability.

i dunno. i think they indicate that Sutter is more of a 4th liner, and that Winnik is a legit 3rd liner with some underlying 2nd line ability.
- poopmouth

Winnik's "advanced" stats don't support that assessment.

What underlying 2nd line ability does he possess exactly?

Winnik's "advanced" stats don't support that assessment.

What underlying 2nd line ability does he possess exactly?
- hardnosed

Is he playing tonight?

Winnik's "advanced" stats don't support that assessment.

What underlying 2nd line ability does he possess exactly?
- hardnosed

we might be looking at different things.

i was just doing a quick look at his HERO chart, which... since i haven't been able to apply much of an eye test to winnik... shows corsi ratings into the second line level.

obviously not the end-all-be-all way to assess a player, but i think corsi should at the very least be considered "underlying".

traditional stats show 3rd line, with possession numbers into the 2nd line level