Ryan Wilson: Rutherford Admits To Looking For UFA Scoring Help, Who's Out There? Rutherford Admits To Looking For UFA Scoring Help, Who's Out There?

Ryan Wilson: Rutherford Admits To Looking For UFA Scoring Help, Who's Out There?
Rutherford Admits To Looking For UFA Scoring Help, Who's Out There?
- Ryan_Wilson

So... Tlusty, Winnik, or bust is about it?

I don't think any of those guys makes a difference at all.

You want a big-time playoff scoring player...Danny Briere comes to mind (blue line be damned).

Molinari of the trib also said that GMJR wouldn't rule out trading for players who could be easily retained beyond this season, younger options. What if, and I know it is not popular because he is producing and his price still is reasonable, you move Chris Kunitz to a contender to bring back a young retainable forward and an asset, then make your move with more cap space?

At this point you might be forced to play Beau up, unless the young forward could jump into the top 6, but... Even as I write this it doesn't sound right.

Sutter and Kunitz to Anaheim for Silvferberg, Smith-Pelly, and a 2nd. Clear up about 5+ mill to pick off some stragglers like Bergenheim or Jagr. Not worry too much about the assets lost because of the gains of Silverberg and Smith-Pelly.
If I remember Anaheim does have a good bit of cap room too.

This is like half palmer half serious though

Molinari of the trib also said that GMJR wouldn't rule out trading for players who could be easily retained beyond this season, younger options. What if, and I know it is not popular because he is producing and his price still is reasonable, you move Chris Kunitz to a contender to bring back a young retainable forward and an asset, then make your move with more cap space?

At this point you might be forced to play Beau up, unless the young forward could jump into the top 6, but... Even as I write this it doesn't sound right.

Sutter and Kunitz to Anaheim for Silvferberg, Smith-Pelly, and a 2nd. Clear up about 5+ mill to pick off some stragglers like Bergenheim or Jagr. Not worry too much about the assets lost because of the gains of Silverberg and Smith-Pelly.
If I remember Anaheim does have a good bit of cap room too.

This is like half palmer half serious though
- usethe1-2-2

I don't think that is enough to pry those guys out of Anaheim, especially because Anaheim needs serious blue line help, so they might prefer to use those guys (who I don't think they have any serious need to move, at all) for a top-4 defenseman.

I also don't think that helps the Penguins in the short-term, assuming they intend of being a serious contender this year. Overall, I think that both teams would be hesitant to do that deal. Also, if you do that trade, what are your possible packages to "pick off" Jagr/Bergenheim?

Mathias

For everyone who thought Goc could be a great 3c here and that he will improve getting away from Adams/Sill etc... he has 1 point in 11 games with St. Louis. Lapierre only has one point here in 11 games though.

Molinari of the trib also said that GMJR wouldn't rule out trading for players who could be easily retained beyond this season, younger options. What if, and I know it is not popular because he is producing and his price still is reasonable, you move Chris Kunitz to a contender to bring back a young retainable forward and an asset, then make your move with more cap space?

At this point you might be forced to play Beau up, unless the young forward could jump into the top 6, but... Even as I write this it doesn't sound right.

Sutter and Kunitz to Anaheim for Silvferberg, Smith-Pelly, and a 2nd. Clear up about 5+ mill to pick off some stragglers like Bergenheim or Jagr. Not worry too much about the assets lost because of the gains of Silverberg and Smith-Pelly.
If I remember Anaheim does have a good bit of cap room too.

This is like half palmer half serious though
- usethe1-2-2

That's an awful trade for the ducks.

That's an awful trade for the ducks.
- Bieksa#3

Its far from the worst I've seen on here.

Kunitz for those 2, and no 2nd rounder would be more reasonable than throwing in dead weight Sutter for a 2nd rounder.

That or both and no 2nd round pick, maybe a 5th... Ducks would improve the frontlines with Kunitz, and hope for a wash with Sutter or change of scenery type improvement. I just see no reason they'd give a high pick for taking on salary with Sutter's risk.

However, they don't have that much cap space to take on both anyway... Says here they got 2 and change, They'd need about 5 mil in space.

Its far from the worst I've seen on here.

Kunitz for those 2, and no 2nd rounder would be more reasonable than throwing in dead weight Sutter for a 2nd rounder.

That or both and no 2nd round pick, maybe a 5th... Ducks would improve the frontlines with Kunitz, and hope for a wash with Sutter or change of scenery type improvement. I just see no reason they'd give a high pick for taking on salary with Sutter's risk.

However, they don't have that much cap space to take on both anyway... Says here they got 2 and change, They'd need about 5 mil in space.
- Guile

Oh there's def worse on here. Kunitz is a 40 pt player in any
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Its far from the worst I've seen on here.

Kunitz for those 2, and no 2nd rounder would be more reasonable than throwing in dead weight Sutter for a 2nd rounder.

That or both and no 2nd round pick, maybe a 5th... Ducks would improve the frontlines with Kunitz, and hope for a wash with Sutter or change of scenery type improvement. I just see no reason they'd give a high pick for taking on salary with Sutter's risk.

However, they don't have that much cap space to take on both anyway... Says here they got 2 and change, They'd need about 5 mil in space.
- Guile

Sunny California has to sound good to players right now. Can't see Anaheim touching this trade.

Oh there's def worse on here. Kunitz is a 40 pt player in any
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- Bieksa#3

60, 50, and 35 (in a 2/3 season) with the Ducks previously, plus 18 here making 53.

Sounds like all 50+ outside of Pitt, and with the team we are proposing this too

60, 50, and 35 (in a 2/3 season) with the Ducks previously, plus 18 here making 53.

Sounds like all 50+ outside of Pitt, and with the team we are proposing this too
- Guile

Not sure where u went to school. 146/3 is less then 50

60, 50, and 35 (in a 2/3 season) with the Ducks previously, plus 18 here making 53.

Sounds like all 50+ outside of Pitt, and with the team we are proposing this too
- Guile

If they won't move Kunitz in the line up because of sid would they trade him? I'd actually think it's a good idea to make sid a little uncomfortable. This poop isn't working and hasn't since 09. Not sure where silvferberg would play but it might create a hole in the top 6

Not sure where u went to school. 146/3 is less then 50
- Bieksa#3

Apparently a place better than you, since 146 is not obtainable with any data set used in what I posted.

145, if you count solely the ducks. 163, if you count the traded stats in that season. Or if you want to take the Duck's points that season and push it to 82 in that ratio... thats 46.

So, the only totals you can reach, are 145, 163, or 156. Congratulations, you're a retard.

I don't like any of these options, but if the move included shipping Sutter out, it would improve the team.

You cant trade Kunitz! He's a 60-70pt producer with a good cap hit. And Sid likes him. He hasn't lost a step at all.

Have a question for all....

With PO's included, what would u consider a successful season and/or disappointing season? If a disappointing season, what changes would be necessary? thanks...

For everyone who thought Goc could be a great 3c here and that he will improve getting away from Adams/Sill etc... he has 1 point in 11 games with St. Louis. Lapierre only has one point here in 11 games though.
- znagle

Points don't matter....possession numbers do.

Molinari of the trib also said that GMJR wouldn't rule out trading for players who could be easily retained beyond this season, younger options. What if, and I know it is not popular because he is producing and his price still is reasonable, you move Chris Kunitz to a contender to bring back a young retainable forward and an asset, then make your move with more cap space?

At this point you might be forced to play Beau up, unless the young forward could jump into the top 6, but... Even as I write this it doesn't sound right.

Sutter and Kunitz to Anaheim for Silvferberg, Smith-Pelly, and a 2nd. Clear up about 5+ mill to pick off some stragglers like Bergenheim or Jagr. Not worry too much about the assets lost because of the gains of Silverberg and Smith-Pelly.
If I remember Anaheim does have a good bit of cap room too.

This is like half palmer half serious though
- usethe1-2-2

Its not outrageous but the second would have to go. I just dont see Anaheim or any team for that matter giving up two promising forwards under 25 up for Kunitz. Silvferberg was a key part of the Bobby Ryan trade and hes only 24. Smith Pelly could be had as it seems they have grown tired of him and Etem's lack of growth. Kunitz is a solid 2nd/3rd liner but i think some may overestimate his value. There is no arguing his point production is tied to playing with a guy who creates a ton of space on the ice.

Points don't matter....possession numbers do.
- kgrpitt

There is a place for analytics in the game there is no question, but you cant base an entire roster off of them. To be honest i struggle to understand them fully so i give them less credit than they probably deserve, but come playoff time throw that crap out the window. Its a different game come the postseason.

So according to the Trib, GMJR wants to trade for a FW. But he doesn't want to move any of the young D prospects either.

All we have of value this year at the draft is a 2nd.

You aren't trading Sid, Malkin, Perron, Horny, Fleury, Letang, DP, Comeau.

Ernoff has a NMC.

Scuds and Adams are untradeable.

Duper and Maatta are injured.

Spaling and Lap likely don't fetch you what you want.

That leaves the following names by process of elimination:

Martin, Bortuzzo, Despres, BB, Sutter, Kunitz, Downie.

Why would you trade a FW to get another FW? BB for a more experienced UFA type? Not the best asset mgmt IMO. He wants goals so that likely rules out Kunitz unless he somehow flips him for a younger asset. Not likely though.

So, that leaves Martin, Borts, and Despres.

If he truly thinks they are a Cup contender, he keeps Martin.

Borts may get you a decent 3/4 line guy. Prob not good enough though.

So, we have Despres as the logical candidate.

Think about it...

Young. Upside. He's shown flashes of being really good. Inconsistent. Signed through next year. Would fetch a nice return.

If the Pens could get a 3rd line guy (a Fehr, Ward type) who is under contract for another year who can score 15 or so goals, I'd make that trade.

There is a place for analytics in the game there is no question, but you cant base an entire roster off of them. To be honest i struggle to understand them fully so i give them less credit than they probably deserve, but come playoff time throw that crap out the window. Its a different game come the postseason.
- did109

Absolutely.

Everyone was saying that LA was in trouble and almost guarantee missing the playoffs according to the numbers.. 6 straight wins later and wolla they are in the playoffs. Numbers don't always rule. Don't get me wrong they can definitely help in the decision process and they show alot of things that you can't see with the naked eye. Just like people that are against advance stats completely people that are for them are a bit over the top with the "if you don't agree with my charts you don't know poop about anything".

Yo..

I heard Chris Stewart is available. We'll take a 2nd.