Completely 100% crazy, but what would this wonderful board say to:

To Pit: Brayden Schenn, Braydon Coburn
To Phi: Beau Bennett, Derek Pouliot, Craig Adams

There's your new 3rd line center, and you get a top-4 defenseman locked up for under market value for this season and next (to replace one of Martin/Ehrhoff), plus we help you unload Adams (enough to offset the cap difference, maybe???)

Would never happen, but I think it's a deal that would help both teams and is more or less fair.
- jmatchett383

Thought Schenn was a mostly a winger? Plus we could never fit that under the cap. Youd have to take Scuds instead of adams

Completely 100% crazy, but what would this wonderful board say to:

To Pit: Brayden Schenn, Braydon Coburn
To Phi: Beau Bennett, Derek Pouliot, Craig Adams

There's your new 3rd line center, and you get a top-4 defenseman locked up for under market value for this season and next (to replace one of Martin/Ehrhoff), plus we help you unload Adams (enough to offset the cap difference, maybe???)

Would never happen, but I think it's a deal that would help both teams and is more or less fair.
- jmatchett383

unless the fellow on your team who wears number 17 is coming back the other way, you leave pouliot alone.

you can have fun waiting for sanheim mister.

Really? When was that? I had no idea. I'm flattered, truly.
- Johnny Wrath

Umm last Thursday I believe, if you look back you can find it. Its possible you didn't realize what POTD meant.

Completely 100% crazy, but what would this wonderful board say to:

To Pit: Brayden Schenn, Braydon Coburn
To Phi: Beau Bennett, Derek Pouliot, Craig Adams

There's your new 3rd line center, and you get a top-4 defenseman locked up for under market value for this season and next (to replace one of Martin/Ehrhoff), plus we help you unload Adams (enough to offset the cap difference, maybe???)

Would never happen, but I think it's a deal that would help both teams and is more or less fair.
- jmatchett383

ONLY way Pouliot gets traded for someone on the Flyers it better be in a deal for Simmonds, Voracek or Giroux. DP is extremely valuable and he will be a great player. I think he can be the next Letang once he gains some confidence and gets used to the big leagues. He's on a short leash right now and can't hop up into play or anything really yet.

We lose BB, who has looked much better after the benching. He's cheap and will be cheap too on his next deal this offseason.

They can have Adams for free.

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HCMJ seems very pleased with Derrick Pouliot's progression.

Thought Schenn was a mostly a winger? Plus we could never fit that under the cap. Youd have to take Scuds instead of adams
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I didn't want to include Scuderi because you guys have changed your tune on him this year.

unless the fellow on your team who wears number 17 is coming back the other way, you leave pouliot alone.

you can have fun waiting for sanheim mister.
- stayinthefnnet

Hey, just trying to think outside of the box. What if I change DP to...let's say, Dumolin or Harrington, and change Adams to Scuderi (or both)

The large silver chalice which is awarded to the team that wins the Stanley Cup Finals.
- jmatchett383

Oh, my God. Crosby wins the Conn Smythe with the 48 points necessary to overcome how poor the team around him is?

The Eastern Conference is weaker than it's been in five or so years. Boston is having a shaky regular seasons. It's a better conference when Ottawa sucks. That's a non sequitur, but true. I think the Penguins finish 7 or 8 and have to go to to a tough building like the Joe or the Belle Centre to open the playoffs.

It does when you're adding Jagr. Zubrus is a steady center nothing special but he is huge so doesn't get knocked off the puck much.
If you're operating on the two year plan, Zubrus is signed through next year then UFA same as Sutter, neither of which we want to resign.
We could lose out on Bennett turning out to be great, but he isn't going to be as good as Jagr this year or next.

The purpose is to win the cup. Jagr and Zubrus make us better now and next year if Jagr re-signs. The cost is Bennett, which I will happily pay.
- stackthepads

Whatever champ. Your fascination with Jagr is strange. He doesn't solve the issues. Zuburs is a complete non factor - worse than Sutter or Bennett

Oh, my God. Crosby wins the Conn Smythe with the 48 points necessary to overcome how poor the team around him is?

The Eastern Conference is weaker than it's been in five or so years. Boston is having a shaky regular seasons. It's a better conference when Ottawa sucks. That's a non sequitur, but true. I think the Penguins finish 7 or 8 and have to go to to a tough building like the Joe or the Belle Centre to open the playoffs.
- Johnny Wrath

i actually think this eastern conference is stronger than its been in a while. maybe its not so top heavy, but the balance is incredible among the playoff teams

I feel no need to expend assets on Booth. I don't think he's a big enough upgrade to merit it. Give Rust a shot in a healthy lineup if you want to try and replace Adams on the 4th.

I feel no need to expend assets on Booth. I don't think he's a big enough upgrade to merit it. Give Rust a shot in a healthy lineup if you want to try and replace Adams on the 4th.
- Victoro311

As correct as that is, there is no point to even trying to replace Adams. Either injure him, or accept his being there.

I didn't want to include Scuderi because you guys have changed your tune on him this year.



Hey, just trying to think outside of the box. What if I change DP to...let's say, Dumolin or Harrington, and change Adams to Scuderi (or both)
- jmatchett383

oh i understand. i wasnt crapping on your proposal, and value wise, youre never really off on your (serious) suggestions. but like we always say, its going to take some overpayment on one end to get the other to bite.

now if youre making those concessions you listed, youre really getting somewhere. im not an overly huge fan of either player, but i do think they are both decent. i worry about schenn's ability to center his own line. but to me, the step down from pouliot to dumolin is a sizable drop in value going back the other way.

Oh, my God. Crosby wins the Conn Smythe with the 48 points necessary to overcome how poor the team around him is?

The Eastern Conference is weaker than it's been in five or so years. Boston is having a shaky regular seasons. It's a better conference when Ottawa sucks. That's a non sequitur, but true. I think the Penguins finish 7 or 8 and have to go to to a tough building like the Joe or the Belle Centre to open the playoffs.
- Johnny Wrath

The only team that will give them a run on their way to to SCF is Tampa Bay.

I didn't want to include Scuderi because you guys have changed your tune on him this year.



Hey, just trying to think outside of the box. What if I change DP to...let's say, Dumolin or Harrington, and change Adams to Scuderi (or both)
- jmatchett383

Bennett, dumoulin, and Scuderi for B Schenn and coburn. I'd do it

Bennett, dumoulin, and Scuderi for B Schenn and coburn. I'd do it
- drummer829

yeah. thats a no brainer for me as well. but theres no way the flyers would or should.

oh i understand. i wasnt crapping on your proposal, and value wise, youre never really off on your (serious) suggestions. but like we always say, its going to take some overpayment on one end to get the other to bite.

now if youre making those concessions you listed, youre really getting somewhere. im not an overly huge fan of either player, but i do think they are both decent. i worry about schenn's ability to center his own line. but to me, the step down from pouliot to dumolin is a sizable drop in value going back the other way.
- stayinthefnnet

The issue is that, if the Flyers are taking back 2 bad contracts and giving up 2 players who could (theoretically) bring back a nice return independently, then I may have to stick to Pouliot. I can understand the resistance to trade him, though, as he's a top prospect league-wide. I think it improves the Penguins' chance to win in the next 2 years, though.

But, as you said, one team's gonna have to be willing to lose big (either in the present or future) for the other to bite. Was just viewing it in a vacuum.

I see my work for the day is done. Now to go take a dump on Chris Neil's face...
- jmatchett383

You win the day.

The issue is that, if the Flyers are taking back 2 bad contracts and giving up 2 players who could (theoretically) bring back a nice return independently, then I may have to stick to Pouliot. I can understand the resistance to trade him, though, as he's a top prospect league-wide. I think it improves the Penguins' chance to win in the next 2 years, though.

But, as you said, one team's gonna have to be willing to lose big (either in the present or future) for the other to bite. Was just viewing it in a vacuum.
- jmatchett383

totally understandable. even just viewing off the trade that was proposed above, which is essentially what i would have boiled down your second offer to. i would take it fairly quickly. for that reason, i wouldnt do it from a flyers point of view.

i think just strictly out of a resale option, the flyers could ship out schenn and coburn individually for a better collection of assets than the pens have going the other way.

The only team that will give them a run on their way to to SCF is Tampa Bay.
- jmatchett383

Detroit?

They could lose a run-and-gun with DC. Or they could just remain committed to not screening Carey Price. I don't think the Islanders are going to just pack it in either. Rangers pulled off a 3-1 comeback last season. Pens are a team I believe the opponent feels they can always hang around with.

Whatever champ. Your fascination with Jagr is strange. He doesn't solve the issues. Zuburs is a complete non factor - worse than Sutter or Bennett
- Oneonta Penguin

Thanks again for one or your in depth analyses there Oneonta, it's so great having someone around to crap all over everything anyone says, yet add nothing any discussion.

Detroit?

They could lose a run-and-gun with DC. Or they could just remain committed to not screening Carey Price. I don't think the Islanders are going to just pack it in either. Rangers pulled off a 3-1 comeback last season. Pens are a team I believe the opponent feels they can always hang around with.
- Johnny Wrath

Baring a hot goalie, I agree on Detroit, their discipline is crazy good. Washington looks good this year too, wouldn't mind seeing a rematch from 2009

Only center I would for trade for is ryan kesler sutter and Martin to the ducks but never will happen. Maybe in 2016 kesler will sign here as a free agent instead philly.

Here are some third line centers worth going after.

Cody Eakins, Dallas. 6' 190lbs
Ryan Garbutt, Dallas. 6' 190lbs
James Sheppard, San Jose. 6' 205lbs

Eakins is young, Garbutt is a more physical guy.
Sheppard is a bigger guy who has potential. All are in our price range.
All are centers.

The issue is that, if the Flyers are taking back 2 bad contracts and giving up 2 players who could (theoretically) bring back a nice return independently, then I may have to stick to Pouliot. I can understand the resistance to trade him, though, as he's a top prospect league-wide. I think it improves the Penguins' chance to win in the next 2 years, though.

But, as you said, one team's gonna have to be willing to lose big (either in the present or future) for the other to bite. Was just viewing it in a vacuum.
- jmatchett383

from my perspective, pouliot could turn out to be the exact type of piece that the flyers need. i also think that he will be able to help the pens compete in that next 2 year window. i dont think its a total reach to say by next season, he could make a jump similar to despres this year mentally, which given his better tool box of talents will make him a valuable piece fairly soon. not to mention he is still dirt cheap.

this being said, i realize the same type of paragraph extolling his value can easily be written up about simmonds. and i wouldnt deny a word of it.

Detroit?

They could lose a run-and-gun with DC. Or they could just remain committed to not screening Carey Price. I don't think the Islanders are going to just pack it in either. Rangers pulled off a 3-1 comeback last season. Pens are a team I believe the opponent feels they can always hang around with.
- Johnny Wrath

exactly. no one fears this team anymore. any of the teams you listed could beat them. although to be fair, i think any of those teams you listed could also beat each other. i really think the east is wild this year, even without the typical boston behemoth.