Can't say I know one way or the other whether it is legitimately against the rules, so I'll take your word for it. But at the very least it is some pretty shady business. Even if you 100% believe that he will never do anything unethical or even that he would never be allowed to handle anything related to a Flyers player. Just putting him anywhere near a potential sticky situation goes against any segregation of duty risk management philosophy.
- PensFan1103

The specific article that prohibits this is Article 26, regarding circumvention:

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
Pronger: issue is in Article 26 of CBA. No one being paid by a team can be paid by the league.

Obviously I may be biased, but I don't think there's a big risk of unethical conduct. They just want a guy who knows how elbowing works to help them know when somebody's elbowed. I can understand why non-Flyers folks would be rubbed wrong, though.

In my judgement, this hiring doesn't implicate the Flyers, who must pay Pronger his full salary regardless of his retirement. It's a league problem. Even if he retired, I believe he still would not be eligible for that position. But the NHL says it's cool, the NHLPA says it's cool, so I don't mind.

Every time.

Malkin: "Why Sid always hog Mark Recchi?"
- Johnny Wrath

James Neal ?

But that's my thing. You have these great, "generational" talents. Jagr and Lemieux won multiple Cups. Gretzky and Messier won multiple Cups. Sakic and Forsberg won multiple Cups. Orr and Esposito won multiple Cups. Heck, Yzerman and Fedorov won multiple Cups. There's zero reason why Crosby and Malkin shouldn't follow suit.

Edit: Toews and Kane have won multiple Cups.
- jmatchett383

They're only 28... they have years left to win at least one more. I don't see why everyone is freaking out, we have a rookie coach messing with his lines to see what he's got and we also got struck with the injury bug (again). I'm confident in the team going into the playoffs, especially if we add another piece.

The specific article that prohibits this is Article 26, regarding circumvention:

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
Pronger: issue is in Article 26 of CBA. No one being paid by a team can be paid by the league.

Obviously I may be biased, but I don't think there's a big risk of unethical conduct. They just want a guy who knows how elbowing works to help them know when somebody's elbowed. I can understand why non-Flyers folks would be rubbed wrong, though.

In my judgement, this hiring doesn't implicate the Flyers, who must pay Pronger his full salary regardless of his retirement. It's a league problem. Even if he retired, I believe he still would not be eligible for that position. But the NHL says it's cool, the NHLPA says it's cool, so I don't mind.
- BulliesPhan87

That's what most people aren't getting. Even if he retired, the Flyers would still be paying him, and therefore the league cannot.

Unless, as you've stated, the league decides to just change their rules again.

But that's my thing. You have these great, "generational" talents. Jagr and Lemieux won multiple Cups. Gretzky and Messier won multiple Cups. Sakic and Forsberg won multiple Cups. Orr and Esposito won multiple Cups. Heck, Yzerman and Fedorov won multiple Cups. There's zero reason why Crosby and Malkin shouldn't follow suit.

Edit: Toews and Kane have won multiple Cups.
- jmatchett383

Toews and Kane had a much better team built while they were on ELC's. It will be interesting to see how they move forward next year now that they are in the same boat as the Pens. Hawks saving grace, they have a better farm system with young guys filling in those holes that can contribute.

So Dupes=Perron?
- sammy87

No, he said Dupes + 1st = Perron.

Hard to argue which has more value. I would take Perron though if that was the deal on the table.

If you have ever been in the military you would know that you are surrounded by leaders of all types in all kinds of levels. You will find the raw raw types, always yelling and screaming, the quiet ones, there is no ideal leader. I would say that the leader that excels the best knows his people and how they respond and structures their style to maximize output of those they are in charge of. I know if I was a yelling type, most of my group would have shut down.

Nobody here knows what its like inside the locker room. Its anyones guess as to what 87 is like behind closed doors. Pretty stupid to even guess.
- sammy87

I agree. No one is in the room but there is not a player in the league with as much exposure as Sid. And I'm not in the military but do know when the quiet leaders get loud... poop gets "real". Hopefully Sid saves that for game 7.

(Assuming you've served)...... THANK YOU!

I'm outta here. Let's go PENS!!

They're only 28... they have years left to win at least one more. I don't see why everyone is freaking out, we have a rookie coach messing with his lines to see what he's got and we also got struck with the injury bug (again). I'm confident in the team going into the playoffs, especially if we add another piece.
- znagle

That's perfectly fine. What happens if you go another 3-4 years and you are continually getting bounced by, as most people on here have called them, "lesser teams?" Do you still keep plugging along the same way?

The specific article that prohibits this is Article 26, regarding circumvention:

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
Pronger: issue is in Article 26 of CBA. No one being paid by a team can be paid by the league.

Obviously I may be biased, but I don't think there's a big risk of unethical conduct. They just want a guy who knows how elbowing works to help them know when somebody's elbowed. I can understand why non-Flyers folks would be rubbed wrong, though.

In my judgement, this hiring doesn't implicate the Flyers, who must pay Pronger his full salary regardless of his retirement. It's a league problem. Even if he retired, I believe he still would not be eligible for that position. But the NHL says it's cool, the NHLPA says it's cool, so I don't mind.
- BulliesPhan87

100% agree no questions against the Flyers for that, it is questionable on the league and NHLPA though.

But that's my thing. You have these great, "generational" talents. Jagr and Lemieux won multiple Cups. Gretzky and Messier won multiple Cups. Sakic and Forsberg won multiple Cups. Orr and Esposito won multiple Cups. Heck, Yzerman and Fedorov won multiple Cups. There's zero reason why Crosby and Malkin shouldn't follow suit.

Edit: Toews and Kane have won multiple Cups.
- jmatchett383

But that doesnt take away from funness to watch... its entertainment whats its all about? Winning a Cup is fun (sorry again) but its hard to do. Pens have a shot every year and that more than many teams in the league can say. I'd love to win more cups.. but being lucky enough to have had all these great play on my team is amazing as well

it would hurt initially, for sure. But this is how i look at it.

let's say there's a good Center out there in FA in 2016 (no great centers out there in 2015).

Trade Geno for assets. Sign said good Center. Use leftovers to buy another good player instead of another meh player.

Recreate Geno's production in the aggregate via 2 FAs, and get assets for trading him.

Team would be equally good via just using the cap space on different FA players. Except now the team gets some serious draft pick/prospects via the trade.
- poopmouth

Why not appreciate what we have. Do you not remember the Rico Fata and Ramzi Abid days ???

But that's my thing. You have these great, "generational" talents. Jagr and Lemieux won multiple Cups. Gretzky and Messier won multiple Cups. Sakic and Forsberg won multiple Cups. Orr and Esposito won multiple Cups. Heck, Yzerman and Fedorov won multiple Cups. There's zero reason why Crosby and Malkin shouldn't follow suit.

Edit: Toews and Kane have won multiple Cups.
- jmatchett383

But again, stop and take a look at the supporting casts of those teams that won multiple cups. Much better than the teams Malkin and Crosby have had around them. And really not fair to compare pre-Cap era teams to now.

To play devils' advocate, you're now using up 2 players to compensate for what 1 player produced, which means you are now losing production from 1 player (Malkin + player X). The assets have to be very good, should be able to collectively produce more than Malkin, and have to be cap managebale in the near future.
- jmatchett383

i'll double devils advocate. Let's just say this is after the 2017 season.

Ya this would have to be combined with something else. Another player leaving. I'll illustrate like this.

In 2017, let Kunitz walk in FA. Trade Malkin.

Buy a winger better than Kunitz in FA. Buy a Center a little worse than Malkin in FA for their combined cap hits (Kunitz 3.8 i think plus Malkin 9.5 = 13.3 to play with).

In theory, the upgrade from 37 year old kunitz to maybe a 6 million dollar younger winger would be equal to the downgrade from Malkin to a 7.3 million dollar center.

team's just as good, but got some prospects and draft picks from another team for Geno.

Or sign another stud center and kunitz level winger. i don't really care. Point is that if there is a talented FA pool, but a team is unable to draw FAs there and would give a bunch of assets for Geno, and the Pens were confident that they could effectively spend his cap space on these FA's, then i think they'd have to deal him.

No, he said Dupes + 1st = Perron.

Hard to argue which has more value. I would take Perron though if that was the deal on the table.
- PensFan1103

perrons great. Dupes was given a contract that made him an slightly underpaid top 6 for first 2-3 years and slightly overpaid 3rd liner for last 1-2 years. maybe he starts to fall off and gets oved down and pens still move the 1st for perron... then they have both! no way to know.

Why not appreciate what we have. Do you not remember the Rico Fata and Ramzi Adid days ???
- willi

feel like an idiot saying this now but I was actually excited that we got Ramzi Abid....

Going to the game tonight see ya suckas!!!!!!!!!!

Going to the game tonight see ya suckas!!!!!!!!!!
- nbartley9

Enjoy, hopefully we fare better than we have been against these division playoff teams.

But again, stop and take a look at the supporting casts of those teams that won multiple cups. Much better than the teams Malkin and Crosby have had around them. And really not fair to compare pre-Cap era teams to now.
- PensFan1103

Well then, since this IS the salary cap era, maybe the high-priced 2-headed monster is not a successful model (defined success by winning a Stanley Cup every 5 years or so).

100% agree no questions against the Flyers for that, it is questionable on the league and NHLPA though.
- PensFan1103

Maybe they'll agree on rules they can both actually follow after the next lockout

But that doesnt take away from funness to watch... its entertainment whats its all about? Winning a Cup is fun (sorry again) but its hard to do. Pens have a shot every year and that more than many teams in the league can say. I'd love to win more cups.. but being lucky enough to have had all these great play on my team is amazing as well
- ChrisMS

What if you could give up one of those players, have to "settle" for watching the best player in the league for another 10 years, and win 1-2 more Cups along the way?

No, he said Dupes + 1st = Perron.

Hard to argue which has more value. I would take Perron though if that was the deal on the table.
- PensFan1103

I don't think a first goes the other way then in that deal

feel like an idiot saying this now but I was actually excited that we got Ramzi Abid....
- nbartley9

Me to.He was the next great power forward. Only problem was it looked liked he was dragging a piano behind him.

Me to.He was the next great power forward. Only problem was it looked liked he was dragging a piano behind him.
- willi

It was actually a Civil War-era battleship anchor.

i'll double devils advocate. Let's just say this is after the 2017 season.

Ya this would have to be combined with something else. Another player leaving. I'll illustrate like this.

In 2017, let Kunitz walk in FA. Trade Malkin.

Buy a winger better than Kunitz in FA. Buy a Center a little worse than Malkin in FA for their combined cap hits (Kunitz 3.8 i think plus Malkin 9.5 = 13.3 to play with).

In theory, the upgrade from 37 year old kunitz to maybe a 6 million dollar younger winger would be equal to the downgrade from Malkin to a 7.3 million dollar center.

team's just as good, but got some prospects and draft picks from another team for Geno.
- poopmouth

The Mark Madden proposal was Malkin to MTL for Galanchyuk and Max P +1st

Malkin = 9.5 for 53 pts
MTL Players = 7.7 for 84 pts

Use the 1st for an established 3C stud. You still have almost 2 mil to spend elsewhere.

What if you could give up one of those players, have to "settle" for watching the best player in the league for another 10 years, and win 1-2 more Cups along the way?
- jmatchett383

THAT! is a really great question. problem is you can't know that I couldn't have my cake and eat it too... assuming I could be assured that trading Malkin (we all know it wouldnt be crosby) would eventually equal one more cup over the next 5-7 years of crosby being really good to good... I'd take it.