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Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Oct 30 @ 10:00 AM ET
Been saying this for years. Only one ref on the ice, the 2nd one upstairs with a mic and video review. More room on the ice and a lot less missed calls.
- fidopro


Or at least give teams the possibility to "contest" a call made by the refs once per game, losing your timeout if you're wrong.
Fredobface
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Pacioretty is a gamebreaker, you need guys like that -DD, QC
Joined: 12.09.2008

Oct 30 @ 10:00 AM ET
i would think they'd like to have good puck handling goalies be able to play pucks in the corner to keep the play going.
- Fountain-San

Seriously only sport where this an area in play where a player cannot go.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Oct 30 @ 10:01 AM ET
you can justify it however you want. very few players in the NHL make that hit. this isn't football, where defenders make it their goal to injure the QB. i agree that Miller was a bit too casual about the whole thing but that was about as gutless a play as you will see in the NHL.
- DoubleDown


Well, it was Milan Lucic, you know.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Oct 30 @ 10:02 AM ET
Or at least give teams the possibility to "contest" a call made by the refs once per game, losing your timeout if you're wrong.
- Scabeh


Why?

Either they let you challenge a play or they don't.

I don't see why they should be penalized if the replay isn't conclusive.
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Oct 30 @ 10:04 AM ET
Why?

Either they let you challenge a play or they don't.

I don't see why they should be penalized if the replay isn't conclusive.

- Pecafan Fan


Well that's what they do in the NFL to prevent unecessary challenges....

You could limit it to one challenge per game unless you were right I guess.... I would just like to see it as a possibility.
Fredobface
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Pacioretty is a gamebreaker, you need guys like that -DD, QC
Joined: 12.09.2008

Oct 30 @ 10:05 AM ET
Why?

Either they let you challenge a play or they don't.

I don't see why they should be penalized if the replay isn't conclusive.

- Pecafan Fan

Coach could start challenging everything when they are protecting a lead or on a icing with tired players on the ice.
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Oct 30 @ 10:05 AM ET
Been saying this for years. Only one ref on the ice, the 2nd one upstairs with a mic and video review. More room on the ice and a lot less missed calls.
- fidopro



Agreed, why is this so hard to understand..
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Oct 30 @ 10:05 AM ET
Coach could start challenging everything when they are protecting a lead or on a icing with tired players on the ice.
- Fredobface


Just limit them to 1 challenge per game.
Cyberhabs
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Crazy how a single BJ from Symba inspired Dyson to build an empire, ON
Joined: 08.05.2007

Oct 30 @ 10:08 AM ET
Just limit them to 1 challenge per game.
- Pecafan Fan


The rules of the challenge would need to be pretty explicit to stop a coach from using it as an extra time out on an icing call for example. Goals or alleged missed calls that lead to goals would seem pretty logical.
DoubleDown
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC
Joined: 07.28.2006

Oct 30 @ 10:08 AM ET
Well, it was Milan Lucic, you know.
- Pecafan Fan


right. somehow i don't think David Krejci or Patrice Bergeron would have done it.

Marchand would have gone in skates first
fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Service Temporarily Unavailable, QC
Joined: 08.10.2008

Oct 30 @ 10:11 AM ET
Or at least give teams the possibility to "contest" a call made by the refs once per game, losing your timeout if you're wrong.
- Scabeh


That too, except they shouldn't be penalized if they're wrong. And if they're right, they still have one "review", like tennis. They should be albe to contest as many times as they want, until they're wrong.
Fredobface
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Pacioretty is a gamebreaker, you need guys like that -DD, QC
Joined: 12.09.2008

Oct 30 @ 10:12 AM ET
Just limit them to 1 challenge per game.
- Pecafan Fan

What's if it'S Chris Lee?
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Oct 30 @ 10:14 AM ET
The rules of the challenge would need to be pretty explicit to stop a coach from using it as an extra time out on an icing call for example. Goals or alleged missed calls that lead to goals would seem pretty logical.
- Cyberhabs


Challenging an icing seems pretty (frank)ing dumb.

I think they could allow challenges on an offside leading to a goal, goalie interference and if a goal is waved off.
QuebecPride
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Sherbrooke, QC
Joined: 11.30.2009

Oct 30 @ 10:15 AM ET
Didn't Symba recently go to Burkina Faso?
TouenneTiiTree
Location: #effetjulien
Joined: 05.22.2012

Oct 30 @ 10:17 AM ET
What's if it'S Chris Lee?
- Fredobface



Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Oct 30 @ 10:18 AM ET
What's if it'S Chris Lee?
- Fredobface


kill it with fire
fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Service Temporarily Unavailable, QC
Joined: 08.10.2008

Oct 30 @ 10:18 AM ET
Challenging an icing seems pretty (frank)ing dumb.

I think they could allow challenges on an offside leading to a goal, goalie interference and if a goal is waved off.

- Pecafan Fan


Agreed. Plus, if the 2nd ref is upstairs, the need for a "contest" would be very rare I would think.
Fountain-San
Boston Bruins
Location: Marchand is a rat fink dweeb.., ME
Joined: 02.21.2007

Oct 30 @ 10:22 AM ET
Didn't Symba recently go to Burkina Faso?
- QuebecPride

formerly the Republic of Upper Volta
3M
Location: Antigua
Joined: 06.30.2009

Oct 30 @ 10:22 AM ET
i would think they'd like to have good puck handling goalies be able to play pucks in the corner to keep the play going.
- Fountain-San


I see it as support for the "the league needs more offense" theory. If you want more offense, why have a rule that allows a goalie to basically kill an attacking zone possession before it starts by stopping the puck behind his net while his defenseman casually comes back to retrieve it? If goalies can't stop hard dump ins, the chances of the attacking team recovering the puck increases.
Mashadar
Location: Let the creamy goaltending season begin! - EK
Joined: 08.31.2014

Oct 30 @ 10:23 AM ET
you can justify it however you want. very few players in the NHL make that hit. this isn't football, where defenders make it their goal to injure the QB. i agree that Miller was a bit too casual about the whole thing but that was about as gutless a play as you will see in the NHL.
- DoubleDown


I agree, under the current rules, that was not a fair play.

But if the rules stated goalies were fair targets out of the crease, which is what I am suggesting should happen, then I would not have a problem with the play.
Fredobface
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Pacioretty is a gamebreaker, you need guys like that -DD, QC
Joined: 12.09.2008

Oct 30 @ 10:24 AM ET
I see it as support for the "the league needs more offense" theory. If you want more offense, why have a rule that allows a goalie to basically kill an attacking zone possession before it starts by stopping the puck behind his net while his defenseman casually comes back to retrieve it? If goalies can't stop hard dump ins, the chances of the attacking team recovering the puck increases.
- 3M

Dump ins are really what fans wanna see.
Mashadar
Location: Let the creamy goaltending season begin! - EK
Joined: 08.31.2014

Oct 30 @ 10:25 AM ET
Why?

Either they let you challenge a play or they don't.

I don't see why they should be penalized if the replay isn't conclusive.

- Pecafan Fan


Because smart coaches will use the challenge as a second time out, if they can get away with it.
Fountain-San
Boston Bruins
Location: Marchand is a rat fink dweeb.., ME
Joined: 02.21.2007

Oct 30 @ 10:25 AM ET
I see it as support for the "the league needs more offense" theory. If you want more offense, why have a rule that allows a goalie to basically kill an attacking zone possession before it starts by stopping the puck behind his net while his defenseman casually comes back to retrieve it? If goalies can't stop hard dump ins, the chances of the attacking team recovering the puck increases.
- 3M

that's true. i didn't think of it that way.

i was thinking about goalies helping to transition the puck but, you're right, most goalies would just tee it up for their defensemen.
3M
Location: Antigua
Joined: 06.30.2009

Oct 30 @ 10:25 AM ET
I agree, under the current rules, that was not a fair play.

But if the rules stated goalies were fair targets out of the crease, which is what I am suggesting should happen, then I would not have a problem with the play.

- Mashadar


They tried this in the 90's. Goalies were practically getting killed. No thanks.
fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Service Temporarily Unavailable, QC
Joined: 08.10.2008

Oct 30 @ 10:26 AM ET
Because smart coaches will use the challenge as a second time out, if they can get away with it.
- Mashadar


And?
What's wrong with a 2nd "time out"?
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