Whoops.

Schneider was shaky in the playoffs early on so I doubt we win. Hes not the most solid mentally himself. His cramps showed up in the AHL playoffs and in the College frozen four. He admitted on After Hours it was stress related when asked about it in the NHL playoffs. When you measure the importance of the games it happened in.... its a concern.
- boonerbuck

Yeah I agree

Who knows maybe the Horvat trade is a long term blessing

Lack seems like he would never be rattled in any circumstance ,.. Just needs experience now

You could argue though that maybe that is the missing piece. Ducks and Blues have not lived up to their regular season performances
- bezz44

I suppose? I think their forwards just need to be better in the post season, just like the Sharks...someone needs to step up to the plate.

Yeah I agree

Who knows maybe the Horvat trade is a long term blessing

Lack seems like he would never be rattled in any circumstance ,.. Just needs experience now
- Redmile247

He was rattled last year after the Winter Classic fiasco and Luo's subsequent departure. I don't know whether it was the added pressure of being the go-to guy, the fact that he played so many games, any guilt he felt about the Luo situation, or a combination of those. But he is human, and is a very emotional guy. We will have to see more before we know

I suppose? I think their forwards just need to be better in the post season, just like the Sharks...someone needs to step up to the plate.
- LeftCoaster

So many teams with great squads on paper, it is a wonder that it seems to be the same few clubs in the final four every year

He was rattled last year after the Winter Classic fiasco and Luo's subsequent departure. I don't know whether it was the added pressure of being the go-to guy, the fact that he played so many games, any guilt he felt about the Luo situation, or a combination of those. But he is human, and is a very emotional guy. We will have to see more before we know
- bezz44

I like Lack but I do think Schneider is a fundamentally better goalie. I hope I'm proven wrong because it couldn't happen to a nicer guy but I have troubles envisioning Lack as an above average starter in this league long term.

He's saying that even when he was here the Canucks missed his offense at times, Implying that he wasn't good or consistent enough offensively given the minutes he ate up.
- Nucker101

Yeah, but...

Game on!!

I like Lack but I do think Schneider is a fundamentally better goalie. I hope I'm proven wrong because it couldn't happen to a nicer guy but I have troubles envisioning Lack as an above average starter in this league long term.
- AlexF

To me it seems like Lack developed much quicker.

Yeah, but...
- CubanBuffet

Agreed. We lost that trade.

Yeah, but...
- CubanBuffet

but what?


If you cant get an assist in 3 months...

Sweet!!

To me it seems like Lack developed much quicker.
- boonerbuck

To the point he's at now I agree. Hopefully he's still developing. Schneider just seems more positionally sound and his lateral movement is elite.

Sweet!!
- Marwood

What a difference a year makes, this team is actually bearable to watch thanks to the stache.

To the point he's at now I agree. Hopefully he's still developing. Schneider just seems more positionally sound and his lateral movement is elite.
- AlexF

Agreed.

Sweet!!
- Marwood

We still trading him?

What a difference a year makes, this team is actually bearable to watch thanks to the stache.
- Nucker101

If this was last year, I would be sound asleep by now.

We still trading him?
- AlexF

I'm good with that.

If this was last year, I would be sound asleep by now.
- Marwood

And Burrows would be in a cast.

There are about four or five elite goaltenders in the league, which means there about 25 average to good goaltenders in the league. Average goaltenders make 4 to 6 million...give or take, elite goaltenders like Rask, Quick, Lundqvist, Renne and Price (6.75 signed before he was considered "elite") all make 7 million or more.

Bottom line is, Mike Babcocks words, if you don't have elite goaltending you need the run support. That's why Detroit won a Cup with Chris Osgood, because they had the forwards to do it.
- LeftCoaster

I agree with Babcock's sentiment; however, you have to give credit where credit is due. Although I've never been an Osgood fan, he played exceptionally well during that Stanley Cup run. I think there seems to be a bit of a misconception there (of course, if you take his whole body of work it's not exactly Hall of Fame material but it's a solid if not spectacular resume nonetheless.

I agree with Babcock's sentiment; however, you have to give credit where credit is due. Although I've never been an Osgood fan, he played exceptionally well during that Stanley Cup run. I think there seems to be a bit of a misconception there (of course, if you take his whole body of work it's not exactly Hall of Fame material but it's a solid if not spectacular resume nonetheless.
- Zogg

I guess, it's not like his saver percentage was amazing in the playoffs. In fact it was basically what Luongo/Miller have done. Wings just had great teams that made him look better than he was.

I agree with Babcock's sentiment; however, you have to give credit where credit is due. Although I've never been an Osgood fan, he played exceptionally well during that Stanley Cup run. I think there seems to be a bit of a misconception there (of course, if you take his whole body of work it's not exactly Hall of Fame material but it's a solid if not spectacular resume nonetheless.
- Zogg

Fleury also played well during their Cup run, but he's been one of the main causes as to why they haven't done better since then. Elite goalies go a long way.

Okay, now I'm bored.


These glass repair guys are brutal.

I guess, it's not like his saver percentage was amazing in the playoffs. In fact it was basically what Luongo/Miller have done. Wings just had great teams that made him look better than he was.
- Nucker101

I think you're right with respect to the percentage numbers; however, I do recall there were some very timely saves on their march to the Cup. Not that I'm comparing the two, but it's sort of the same school as Fuhr was. He let's in 7 but then makes several timely saves to allow the team to win. Of course Osgood is no Fuhr, but I think he's gotten a bit of a bad rap over the years. The team in front of him was very good but you still need your goalie to come up big, no matter how good the players are in front of you. And I think save percentage is of slightly less importance in the play-offs (unless it hits below .900). In my humble opinion it's the 'key'/possibly game changing saves that are the most important in terms of a goalies performance.

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I think you're right with respect to the percentage numbers; however, I do recall there were some very timely saves on their march to the Cup. Not that I'm comparing the two, but it's sort of the same school as Fuhr was. He let's in 7 but then makes several timely saves to allow the team to win. Of course Osgood is no Fuhr, but I think he's gotten a bit of a bad rap over the years. The team in front of him was very good but you still need your goalie to come up big, no matter how good the players are in front of you. And I think save percentage is of slightly less importance in the play-offs (unless it hits below .900). In my humble opinion it's the 'key'/possibly game changing saves that are the most important in terms of a goalies performance.
- Zogg

I think lots of the stats we use as benchmarks in the regular season are less relevant in the playoffs where the number of games played is much smaller. SV% is forgivable if you make that one big save. And nobody is going to care that you were invisible all series if you are the one who pops in the Game 7 OT goal. Playoffs are all about results, and unless you win the cup stats count for very little