Thats why I want him gone before we get back in the playoff picture. Need to groom Lack/Markstrom/Demko for playoff exp. Early exp will build mental fortitude for when the team is ready to be a threat in the playoffs again.
- boonerbuck

And that is what the oilers have been saying for years now.

Thats why I want him gone before we get back in the playoff picture. Need to groom Lack/Markstrom/Demko for playoff exp. Early exp will build mental fortitude for when the team is ready to be a threat in the playoffs again.
- boonerbuck

There are a couple of things that I would to see before this team gets back into the playoff picture:
-An actual NHL calibre 2nd line
-More depth on D.

There are a couple of things that I would to see before this team gets back into the playoff picture:
-An actual NHL calibre 2nd line
-More depth on D.
- fiveandagame

Let's not get into the list of all the things we are lacking until next Tuesday when we are emotionally equipped to handle the cynicism

Burrows would have much more value at deadline where he can be sold as a Marchant style gritty guy but with hands and a conscience.
- Beatle_john

Burrows has almost 0 value

Disagree there, I don't think he ever deflected the blame on to his teamates. He would own up or make a joke. He was the best goalie to play in this market and likely will be for a long time. Luongo takes a lot of poop because of the Canucks mistakes.
- belcherbd

One interview when Canucks lost in the last minute after they failed to clear the zone he said afterI did my part

That is throwing teammates under a bus

Burrows has almost 0 value
- VANTEL

If he gets moved I think it will be for another overpaid/under performing player.

Lecavalier, Laich, Weiss, Bourque, Clowe, Ruutu, Michalek etc would be the types of returns with the hope they can improve under a new club.

I remember thinking at this point that luongo was playing much better than Crawford tho ...
- Redmile247

They gave Schneider the start in game 6 because they didn't have faith in LU

Twins were fairly consistent in the playoffs that year until the final. You just described Kesler who bulked up his stats in 1 series and was labeled a playoff performer. Truth is its the only series Kesler stood out in during his whole career so far and the Sedins have been remarkable in comparison if we only compare them to Kesler.
- boonerbuck

I Thought Kesler really only had one great game in that series. You could even take it to the one exceptional play and he played pretty good other than that...

There are a couple of things that I would to see before this team gets back into the playoff picture:
-An actual NHL calibre 2nd line
-More depth on D.
- fiveandagame

One in the same. We need those things to get back to being a playoff team.

They gave Schneider the start in game 6 because they didn't have faith in LU
- VANTEL

I wonder if Schneider loses game 7 as well ?

I Thought Kesler really only had one great game in that series. You could even take it to the one exceptional play and he played pretty good other than that...
- 1970vintage

I thought that Kesler was amazing in the Chicago series. It's not easy to keep Toews pointless (until the last minute of the last game). He was so good offensively in the Nashville series because who was there for him to shut down? Frankly, it's the shut down Kesler that this team is missing right now, much more then his offensive input.

I Thought Kesler really only had one great game in that series. You could even take it to the one exceptional play and he played pretty good other than that...
- 1970vintage

I wont take away Kesler's great defensive game in the playoffs that run. Problem is, playing shut down only for 3 series kills us offensively and it caught up to us. Id blame it on AV if it were not undeniable later that Kesler's offensive game was very unreliable. Even an anchor for 20 games at a time. The only way we could get goals out the of the second line was to put Kesler on the IR.

I wonder if Schneider loses game 7 as well ?
- Redmile247

Depends on how many goals Schnieder can score.

Agreed. And if you do have an average goalie, you better not be paying 5 or 6 million for him. Miller's numbers aren't really better.
- Nucker101

There are about four or five elite goaltenders in the league, which means there about 25 average to good goaltenders in the league. Average goaltenders make 4 to 6 million...give or take, elite goaltenders like Rask, Quick, Lundqvist, Renne and Price (6.75 signed before he was considered "elite") all make 7 million or more.

Bottom line is, Mike Babcocks words, if you don't have elite goaltending you need the run support. That's why Detroit won a Cup with Chris Osgood, because they had the forwards to do it.

I thought that Kesler was amazing in the Chicago series. It's not easy to keep Toews pointless (until the last minute of the last game). He was so good offensively in the Nashville series because who was there for him to shut down? Frankly, it's the shut down Kesler that this team is missing right now, much more then his offensive input.
- CubanBuffet

Well, we were missing Kesler's offensive input while he was a Canucks so its kind of difficult to miss it now that hes gone.

Depends on how many goals Schnieder can score.

- boonerbuck

Game 7 Hawks ...not Bruins

Well, we were missing Kesler's offensive input while he was a Canucks so its kind of difficult to miss it now that hes gone.
- boonerbuck

Huh?

There are about four or five elite goaltenders in the league, which means there about 25 average to good goaltenders in the league. Average goaltenders make 4 to 6 million...give or take, elite goaltenders like Rask, Quick, Lundqvist, Renne and Price (6.75 signed before he was considered "elite") all make 7 million or more.

Bottom line is, Mike Babcocks words, if you don't have elite goaltending you need the run support. That's why Detroit won a Cup with Chris Osgood, because they had the forwards to do it.
- LeftCoaster

I don't think you can put all 25 subsequent goaltenders in the same category
For instance I would take Ben Bishop 10/10 times over Ryan Miller. I agree though that you don't necessarily need an elite goalie to win, but we have seen a powerhouse offence shut down by an elite goalie enough times to see how completely it can take over a short sample size of games. Quick, Thomas, Price last year... A hot goalie can push you into contention

There are about four or five elite goaltenders in the league, which means there about 25 average to good goaltenders in the league. Average goaltenders make 4 to 6 million...give or take, elite goaltenders like Rask, Quick, Lundqvist, Renne and Price (6.75 signed before he was considered "elite") all make 7 million or more.

Bottom line is, Mike Babcocks words, if you don't have elite goaltending you need the run support. That's why Detroit won a Cup with Chris Osgood, because they had the forwards to do it.
- LeftCoaster

I'd argue that you can find average goaltending at a cheaper price. Look at the Blues and Ducks. It allows them to spend big on their skaters.

Huh?
- CubanBuffet

He's saying that even when he was here the Canucks missed his offense at times, Implying that he wasn't good or consistent enough offensively given the minutes he ate up.

Huh?
- CubanBuffet

Cant miss what we didnt have so many nights.

Were talking about a top six center with #1 PP time who didnt have an assist after mid Jan last season.

Sometimes I wonder what Torts would have done in that situation but I'm pretty sure the Canucks never had a lead last year.
- fiveandagame

God damn it!!!

Game 7 Hawks ...not Bruins
- Redmile247

Whoops.

Schneider was shaky in the playoffs early on so I doubt we win. Hes not the most solid mentally himself. His cramps showed up in the AHL playoffs and in the College frozen four. He admitted on After Hours it was stress related when asked about it in the NHL playoffs. When you measure the importance of the games it happened in.... its a concern.

I'd argue that you can find average goaltending at a cheaper price. Look at the Blues and Ducks. It allows them to spend big on their skaters.
- Nucker101

Agreed, all I'm saying is 6 million in todays cap world is not "out there".

And my point still stands, look at the Ducks and Blues forwards compared to ours, there's a reason they don't need to go out and get an elite goalie.

Their top six forwards make the same, collectively, as ours.

Agreed, all I'm saying is 6 million in todays cap world is not "out there".

And my point still stands, look at the Ducks and Blues forwards compared to ours, there's a reason they don't need to go out and get an elite goalie.

Their top six forwards make the same, collectively, as ours.
- LeftCoaster

You could argue though that maybe that is the missing piece. Ducks and Blues have not lived up to their regular season performances