The pattern was obvious the whole time Luongo was here. Offense dries up ( often after AV decides to reverse and sit back)...D and G hold it together for a while,,,then the D falls apart,,, Lu holds it together for a while then he falls apart. This pattern could be seen in a single game, a series or the later part of a season even. It was always frustrating around here to see only Lu get the blame after the autopsies were complete. Usually the last to fall apart. Usually after Bieksa decides he's playing for the other team.
- boonerbuck

It used to make me sick when the AV Canucks were playing with a 1 goal lead and watching the team trying to hold on for dear life for a period and half.

It used to make me sick when the AV Canucks were playing with a 1 goal lead and watching the team trying to hold on for dear life for a period and half.
- fiveandagame

All three series against the Hawks he did that and barely made it out the 3rd time. In my eyes, AV lost the first two series against the Hawks and they won in spite of AV trying to throw it away a third time.

Quenville more or less just had to wait for AV to kill the Canucks momentum himself.

Not laying all the blame on the GT is not a free pass. By your logic, you just gave everyone else a pass but Luongo then...
- boonerbuck

Not true, hell as long as the goalie can keep the game within reach IMO they have done their job. If he lets in 4 goals on 30 shots that's fair enough, but if you get blown out 8-1 then you have lost all hope at any comeback. When the Canucks got poop on by the Kings I thought Luongo was our best player, so if you think I am blindly biased against him you are wrong. My memory of those playoffs was that the goals he let in were often shaky and that he needed to be better much of the time. Agree to disagree

It used to make me sick when the AV Canucks were playing with a 1 goal lead and watching the team trying to hold on for dear life for a period and half.
- fiveandagame

I (frank)ing hated this. Gave me heart attacks

Not true, hell as long as the goalie can keep the game within reach IMO they have done their job. If he lets in 4 goals on 30 shots that's fair enough, but if you get blown out 8-1 then you have lost all hope at any comeback. When the Canucks got poop on by the Kings I thought Luongo was our best player, so if you think I am blindly biased against him you are wrong. My memory of those playoffs was that the goals he let in were often shaky and that he needed to be better much of the time. Agree to disagree
- bezz44

Yeah, my memory is that the wins were good and Luongo played well, sometimes amazing, but the loses were very, very ugly. Especially Chicago and Boston.

I (frank)ing hated this. Gave me heart attacks
- bezz44

Sometimes I wonder what Torts would have done in that situation but I'm pretty sure the Canucks never had a lead last year.

Not true, hell as long as the goalie can keep the game within reach IMO they have done their job. If he lets in 4 goals on 30 shots that's fair enough, but if you get blown out 8-1 then you have lost all hope at any comeback. When the Canucks got poop on by the Kings I thought Luongo was our best player, so if you think I am blindly biased against him you are wrong. My memory of those playoffs was that the goals he let in were often shaky and that he needed to be better much of the time. Agree to disagree
- bezz44

If you think Im giving Luongo a free pass because I spread the blame, then by your own definition you are giving everyone else on the team a pass.

Just because Luongo didnt give our non existent offense a chance to score goals they were not going to score anyways... doesnt mean its all his fault. You can disagree with that but those same core players failed to score the following two playoffs.... my money is on the Canucks not scoring even if Luongo only let in a few. He didnt give them a chance, the d and o didnt give Lu a chance and the coach.... well we all know what a chickenpoop he is and yanked on their choke collars.

Luongo sucked late...like the rest of the team. Saying "If he were a playoff performer...." Well who were the other playoff performers on the team? A number of players that year were doing well in the playoffs and disappeared just like Luongo.

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I think the biggest loss was Erhoff. Hammer was effectively replaced by Tanev but Nobody was able to replace Erhoff and Edler suffered. Our PP was terrible and we seriously lacked a good d pairing outside of the first.

If you think Im giving Luongo a free pass because I spread the blame, then by your own definition you are giving everyone else on the team a pass.

Just because Luongo didnt give our non existent offense a chance to score goals they were not going to score anyways... doesnt mean its all his fault. You can disagree with that but those same core players failed to score the following two playoffs.... my money is on the Canucks not scoring even if Luongo only let in a few. He didnt give them a chance, the d and o didnt give Lu a chance and the coach.... well we all know what a chickenpoop he is and yanked on their choke collars.

Luongo sucked late...like the rest of the team.
- boonerbuck

I am not saying it's all his fault. Perhaps my word choice was inappropriate

I think the biggest loss was Erhoff. Hammer was effectively replaced by Tanev but Nobody was able to replace Erhoff and Edler suffered. Our PP was terrible and we seriously lacked a good d pairing outside of the first.
- Linden_4_Capt

Some stat whores will now tell you are wrong. They will scroll through his numbers on Buffalo and say he was useless for the Canucks.

I am not saying it's all his fault. Perhaps my word choice was inappropriate
- bezz44

ikr, you could have saved me a bunch of typing...

I don't get the Sedin hate, plenty of star players who make the SCF have quiet games in the playoffs. It's nearly impossible not to do it. The games become way more physical/defensive, the competition is better since you can't pad your stats against weaker team like in the regular season. Obviously playing in Canada you'll get called called out more often for it though. (frank)ins Toews has even taken heat in past playoff series in Chicago for not producing enough offense. He's had quiet games as well.

Sometimes I wonder what Torts would have done in that situation but I'm pretty sure the Canucks never had a lead last year.
- fiveandagame

Cough.. LA Kings...
We blew so many leads last year

I think the biggest loss was Erhoff. Hammer was effectively replaced by Tanev but Nobody was able to replace Erhoff and Edler suffered. Our PP was terrible and we seriously lacked a good d pairing outside of the first.
- Linden_4_Capt

Yeah, the Ehrhoff loss hurt, I was just referencing that the Canucks were up 2 game to 0 when Hamhuis went down and then they lost 4 of the next 5.

The PP suffered but they couldn't do anything 5 on 5 either.

Twins were fairly consistent in the playoffs that year until the final. You just described Kesler who bulked up his stats in 1 series and was labeled a playoff performer. Truth is its the only series Kesler stood out in during his whole career so far and the Sedins have been remarkable in comparison if we only compare them to Kesler.
- boonerbuck

See I just remember a constant questioning of the twins all playoffs until the sj series and than after ...while kesler played teows well and won the Nash series almost on his own than got hurt and kinda disappeared

I think the biggest loss was Erhoff. Hammer was effectively replaced by Tanev but Nobody was able to replace Erhoff and Edler suffered. Our PP was terrible and we seriously lacked a good d pairing outside of the first.
- Linden_4_Capt

Ehrhoff was pretty mediocre that whole run IIRC, especially defensively. I believe he was playing with a shoulder injury and he was a liability defensively during that run. I'm not 100% sure on all the details since it's been 3+ years though.

Was perusing the stats, and Burrows had 9 goals
More than Kesler!
But I likewise wouldn't put Lu in that mix, he just had too many questionable performances
- bezz44

The problem with Lu in the playoffs, is that if he let one bad goal in you might as well have written off the entire game cause he was going to let in 5 more. That's mostly on Lu, but in those situations the entire team would crumble.

ikr, you could have saved me a bunch of typing...

- boonerbuck

goddamn semantics, I had a similar argument with someone on FB. Wrote about 10 paragraphs for them to say "my bad I used the wrong word"

The problem with Lu in the playoffs, is that if he let one bad goal in you might as well have written off the entire game cause he was going to let in 5 more. That's mostly on Lu, but in those situations the entire team would crumble.
- CubanBuffet

Yea, this is probably the best description. It was like a house of cards. Either the team was scoring goals and Luo was playing well, or the O dried up and one bad goal would cause a meltdown

Some stat whores will now tell you are wrong. They will scroll through his numbers on Buffalo and say he was useless for the Canucks.

- boonerbuck

Well those stat whores can go and stand on East Hastings...
Erhoff IMO was the biggest loss for the team. Every other player was somewhat replaced but that loss we had nothing for and Edler still sucks as a result.

See I just remember a constant questioning of the twins all playoffs until the sj series and than after ...while kesler played teows well and won the Nash series almost on his own than got hurt and kinda disappeared
- Redmile247

Daniel was pretty dominant against CHI. He had 5 goals and 2 assists in 7 games.

NSH really clogged it up and Weber/Suter did well against the Sedins. Dnaiel finished with 1 goal and 2 assists in 6 games.

Daniel lit up SJ as well with 2 goals and 4 assists for 6 points in only 5 games in the WCF.

Then again, like NSH, BOS got the better of them and Daniel finished with 1 goals and 3 assists in 7 games.

20 points in 25 games is pretty solid overall in the playoffs for a first line. Scoring goes down in the post-season since the games gets officiated differently and generally there's better defensive/possession teams in the post-season which means less offensive chances.

Yeah, the Ehrhoff loss hurt, I was just referencing that the Canucks were up 2 game to 0 when Hamhuis went down and then they lost 4 of the next 5.

The PP suffered but they couldn't do anything 5 on 5 either.
- fiveandagame

The third game bounce back was anticipated. The series was 2-0 and Boston just could not score in Van so it was expected that Boston will come out all guns firing. Hammer went down but Tanev stepped in well and was very effective. Was not great in the outlet passes but he did well to cover on the Defensive end.

I (frank)ing hated this. Gave me heart attacks
- bezz44

Yeah, game seven versus the Hawks, I was a special kind of mess. Just pacing in front of the TV muttering "you need more than one" under my breath.

Yeah, game seven versus the Hawks, I was a special kind of mess. Just pacing in front of the TV muttering "you need more than one" under my breath.
- CubanBuffet

I think AV just liked to torture Vancouver fans

Ehrhoff was pretty mediocre that whole run IIRC, especially defensively. I believe he was playing with a shoulder injury and he was a liability defensively during that run. I'm not 100% sure on all the details since it's been 3+ years though.
- Nucker101

That game 7 is a little blurry for me as well. All I remember is I woke up at about 11am the next day at the top of the stairs with my face buried in the carpet with no recollection of how I got there from the basement and where and when did all my guests leave that came over to watch the game. Oh yeah my jersey was ripped but none of my friends know how.