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bezz44
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Inside the scroatee, BC
Joined: 05.29.2014

Oct 23 @ 3:41 PM ET
Luongo finished with a .914 save percentage which is below average for playoff goaltending, especially a cup final team.

1. Henrik
2. Daniel
3. Kesler
4. Bieksa
5. Hamhuis

Burrows also in the mix.


Luongo wouldn't make my top 7 or 8.

- Nucker101

Was perusing the stats, and Burrows had 9 goals
More than Kesler!
But I likewise wouldn't put Lu in that mix, he just had too many questionable performances
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Oct 23 @ 3:41 PM ET
Yes and en route to game 7 after that 3-0 lead the Canucks gave up 16 goals in three games. He had some very good games but more often than not he was shaky and not only could he not be counted on to make the game-changing save but very often he could not be counted on to make routine saves. Considering how much love he got in the media and from fans, he did not play up to expectations
Edit: In that 3 game portion he gave up 11 goals on 53 shots
Editx2: 18 goals on 86 shots in games lost by the Canucks during the final, and the Canucks outshot the Bruins in all of those games

- bezz44


Goals not shots win games. Canucks couldnt score. The goals dried up. Luongo was one of the last to fail imo.
bezz44
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Inside the scroatee, BC
Joined: 05.29.2014

Oct 23 @ 3:41 PM ET
Who decided today was a Throwback Thursday with all of this 2011 talk?
- Nucker101

Instagram did
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Oct 23 @ 3:42 PM ET
Who decided today was a Throwback Thursday with all of this 2011 talk?
- Nucker101

He whom shall not be named. He loved reminiscing!!
moondawg
Vancouver Canucks
Location: The Island, BC
Joined: 02.01.2007

Oct 23 @ 3:43 PM ET
Luongo finished with a .914 save percentage which is below average for playoff goaltending, especially a cup final team.

1. Henrik
2. Daniel
3. Kesler
4. Bieksa
5. Hamhuis

Burrows also in the mix.


Luongo wouldn't make my top 7 or 8.

- Nucker101


Well, it's good that we each get our own opinion. I'll keep mine though thanx.
fiveandagame
Vancouver Canucks
Location: BC
Joined: 05.06.2010

Oct 23 @ 3:43 PM ET
Which one of our players that was either injured or missing would have made the most impact in game 7?
Manny
Hammer
Kesler
Raymond
Erhoff
Rome
Salo

- Linden_4_Capt


My vote is Hamhuis. When he went down in game 2 the series took a complete 180. It could be coincidence but that's when the tide changed.
bezz44
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Inside the scroatee, BC
Joined: 05.29.2014

Oct 23 @ 3:44 PM ET
Goals not shots win games. Canucks couldnt score. The goals dried up. Luongo was one of the last to fail imo.
- boonerbuck

Tim Thomas was fantastic. and I'm sorry but when you lose games 8-1, 5-2, 4-0 you can't give the goaltender a free pass. They needed to score goals but Tim Thomas played his ass off. The games in that series that Luo matched his level of play were the games that the Canucks won. That was a head to head matchup he needed to win
Simon_says17
St Louis Blues
Joined: 08.11.2013

Oct 23 @ 3:47 PM ET
Well Steve Ott is starting on our "top" line tonight so there's that...
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Oct 23 @ 3:49 PM ET
Luongo finished with a .914 save percentage which is below average for playoff goaltending, especially a cup final team.

1. Henrik
2. Daniel
3. Kesler
4. Bieksa
5. Hamhuis

Burrows also in the mix.


Luongo wouldn't make my top 7 or 8.

- Nucker101


I agree but the comment made was Canucks made it to the final in spite of Luongo. take out the 20 goals against in the finals and Luo's numbers look a lot better I imagine.

Luo had some poor moments in the finals and play offs that year but I think it made him look even worse playing against Thomas.

Thomas was the best player in that series by a large margin, he set the record for total saves in that series (238) and the entire playoffs (798). As much as he is POS, the guy flat out dominated during the playoffs.
Mungo
Vancouver Canucks
Location: VANCOUVER, BC
Joined: 03.10.2014

Oct 23 @ 3:51 PM ET
Which one of our players that was either injured or missing would have made the most impact in game 7?
Manny
Hammer
Kesler
Raymond
Erhoff
Rome
Salo

- Linden_4_Capt



Wasn't Edler also playing pretty hurt for the last game... wrist issue or broken finger?

My vote would have been for Hammer. Canucks had a terrible time getting out of their own zone and he was pretty efficient at that back in the day.
bezz44
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Inside the scroatee, BC
Joined: 05.29.2014

Oct 23 @ 3:53 PM ET
I agree but the comment made was Canucks made it to the final in spite of Luongo. take out the 20 goals against in the finals and Luo's numbers look a lot better I imagine.

Luo had some poor moments in the finals and play offs that year but I think it made him look even worse playing against Thomas.

Thomas was the best player in that series by a large margin, he set the record for total saves in that series (238) and the entire playoffs (798). As much as he is POS, the guy flat out dominated during the playoffs.

- belcherbd

I will agree with this 100%, but he still wasn't up to snuff IMO. The series that we needed him most were the Hawks+Bruins when some timely goaltending may have closed out those series before game 7
hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

Oct 23 @ 3:56 PM ET
I will agree with this 100%, but he still wasn't up to snuff IMO. The series that we needed him most were the Hawks+Bruins when some timely goaltending may have closed out those series before game 7
- bezz44


Didn't the pp disappear. poof.
bezz44
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Inside the scroatee, BC
Joined: 05.29.2014

Oct 23 @ 3:57 PM ET
Didn't the pp disappear. poof.
- hillbillydeluxe

That's all well and good but when you lose 8-1 the PP isn't exactly going to score you 7 goals
Mungo
Vancouver Canucks
Location: VANCOUVER, BC
Joined: 03.10.2014

Oct 23 @ 3:58 PM ET
Didn't the pp disappear. poof.
- hillbillydeluxe



and PP opportunities as well..... unless they were in Garbage time.


fiveandagame
Vancouver Canucks
Location: BC
Joined: 05.06.2010

Oct 23 @ 3:59 PM ET
Didn't the pp disappear. poof.
- hillbillydeluxe


8 goals in 7 games
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Oct 23 @ 4:01 PM ET
I will agree with this 100%, but he still wasn't up to snuff IMO. The series that we needed him most were the Hawks+Bruins when some timely goaltending may have closed out those series before game 7
- bezz44

You could make the argument that (insert player) wasn't up to snuff as the games we needed him the most were the Hawks+Bruins when some timely goal scoring may have closed out those series.

Don't get me wrong Luo didn't play as well as he needed to but in no way do I put the finals loss on him or agree that he didn't play a large role in getting there in the first place.
Redmile247
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.17.2013

Oct 23 @ 4:04 PM ET
I will agree with this 100%, but he still wasn't up to snuff IMO. The series that we needed him most were the Hawks+Bruins when some timely goaltending may have closed out those series before game 7
- bezz44


I remember talking to Canucks fans after game 3 against the Hawks and they were saying how if not for luongo it could easilu be 3-0 Hawks

boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Oct 23 @ 4:04 PM ET
Tim Thomas was fantastic. and I'm sorry but when you lose games 8-1, 5-2, 4-0 you can't give the goaltender a free pass. They needed to score goals but Tim Thomas played his ass off. The games in that series that Luo matched his level of play were the games that the Canucks won. That was a head to head matchup he needed to win
- bezz44


Not laying all the blame on the GT is not a free pass. By your logic, you just gave everyone else a pass but Luongo then...
fiveandagame
Vancouver Canucks
Location: BC
Joined: 05.06.2010

Oct 23 @ 4:06 PM ET
I remember talking to Canucks fans after game 3 against the Hawks and they were saying how if not for luongo it could easilu be 3-0 Hawks
- Redmile247


Luongo was great the first 3 games but the Canucks absolutely swarmed the Hawks. Then in game 4 they took their foot off the gas and you can't do that when you are trying to close out a very good team.
Redmile247
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.17.2013

Oct 23 @ 4:07 PM ET
Luongo finished with a .914 save percentage which is below average for playoff goaltending, especially a cup final team.

1. Henrik
2. Daniel
3. Kesler
4. Bieksa
5. Hamhuis

Burrows also in the mix.


Luongo wouldn't make my top 7 or 8.

- Nucker101


What are the twins stats in each series ...hell each game in that playoffs ....ranking them at the top is kinda short sighted I think ...they had a few select games where they piled the points on with a hot pp and disappeared the other 80 % of the games
Redmile247
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.17.2013

Oct 23 @ 4:11 PM ET
Luongo was great the first 3 games but the Canucks absolutely swarmed the Hawks. Then in game 4 they took their foot off the gas and you can't do that when you are trying to close out a very good team.
- fiveandagame


I remember thinking at this point that luongo was playing much better than Crawford tho ...
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Oct 23 @ 4:12 PM ET
Luongo was great the first 3 games but the Canucks absolutely swarmed the Hawks. Then in game 4 they took their foot off the gas and you can't do that when you are trying to close out a very good team.
- fiveandagame


The pattern was obvious the whole time Luongo was here. Offense dries up ( often after AV decides to reverse and sit back)...D and G hold it together for a while,,,then the D falls apart,,, Lu holds it together for a while then he falls apart. This pattern could be seen in a single game, a series or the later part of a season even. It was always frustrating around here to see only Lu get the blame after the autopsies were complete. Usually the last to fall apart. Usually after Bieksa decides he's playing for the other team.
bezz44
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Inside the scroatee, BC
Joined: 05.29.2014

Oct 23 @ 4:13 PM ET
You could make the argument that (insert player) wasn't up to snuff as the games we needed him the most were the Hawks+Bruins when some timely goal scoring may have closed out those series.
- belcherbd

I'll give credit to Luo for 18 solid performances throughout the playoffs, not all of those being good or excellent, but being games where he gave us a chance to win. Game 4 vs. Hawks 7-2 - no chance to win. Game 5 vs Hawks - 5-0 - no chance to win. Gave 3 vs Bruins 8-1 - no chance to win. Game 4 - 4-0 - pretty poopty chance to win. Game 6 - 5-2 - pretty poopty chance to win. Game 7 - 4-0 - pretty poopty chance to win.

I'm sorry but you can't say that "timely goal-scoring" was going to bridge the difference between these games. In many cases you could probably argue that the team in front of him may have been playing like poop, but that is when a playoff performer will step up his game and keep his team in it long enough for them to give their heads a shake. That is the last I'm going to say about it because I have actual work to do that I've been avoiding but the most that you can get me to mediate my stance on this is that he was average at best. That they made it in spite of him may have been strong, but he was inconsistent in high pressure situations
stljam
St Louis Blues
Location: St. Louis, MO
Joined: 02.02.2007

Oct 23 @ 4:14 PM ET
Given all the flu on the team, any truth to the rumor the Blues are going to replace Brian Elliott's chait and spot on the bench with a special port a potty.

Of course the severely depleted lineup had to happen on Miller's first return trip -

I'm sad I had to give up my tickets tonight. I'd really like to be there belting out the anthem tonight, supporting my second country and hopefully being one of the many singing rather than one of the few like I usually am.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Oct 23 @ 4:14 PM ET
What are the twins stats in each series ...hell each game in that playoffs ....ranking them at the top is kinda short sighted I think ...they had a few select games where they piled the points on with a hot pp and disappeared the other 80 % of the games
- Redmile247


Twins were fairly consistent in the playoffs that year until the final. You just described Kesler who bulked up his stats in 1 series and was labeled a playoff performer. Truth is its the only series Kesler stood out in during his whole career so far and the Sedins have been remarkable in comparison if we only compare them to Kesler.
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