Or maybe it's time as a fan to except more from your team.
- bloatedmosquito

Maybe we need to analyze things in a little bit more detail. We were turning in good players from Moosehead days. Then we lost the team and location and we have been bouncing around for a few years. Now are in Utica and if we stay there for a few years we will get back to developing solid NHL players. The players coming in to A are just kids. They need to feel at home to get comfortable and start playing with swagger. Sometimes it is as simple as that. Remember the Movie Trouble with the curve?
Jensen has moved 5 times in the last 5 years. All the teams in NHL that produce from their farm have established farm teams in the same location for years.
I know that are professionals that chose this as a career but they are still kids that need to feel comfortable and at home.

Been very busy with work and was too stoned to respond to anything yesterday.

Pretty much just waiting for the puck to drop.
- Marwood

Well take care of yourself and Mrs. Marwood. Let me know when you are available, I have 4 day trips planned for you, you may want to get some new gloves.

I'm hoping a new coach will help. Had Daniel in my pool last season and was expecting 80+ points out of him. Not 47 or whatever he ended up with.
- deadpoulet

Like I tell my wife, keep your expectations low and you'll enjoy the ride that much more.

Look if those benchmarks work for you that's fine. 36 games in the NHL = making a difference. 19 games in the NHL= Bust.

I just prefer to look at it as most of those player drafted in 2011, with the exception of around 12 players, are still developing and we don't know what they will become yet.
- belcherbd

I was being sarcastic when I said bust. Come on.

I guess you'll just have to sit back and wait until next season. Or maybe the season after that. You know, whenever he gets the chance.

Just realize with every future draft Jensen goes further and further down the depth chart.

? I've lost you.

They don't owe us anything? Maybe you don't pay to watch your team. I did for 16 years. I paid top dollar too. Other fans in other city paid bargain basement prices for the exact same product. The fans in this city have delivered their part. It's now time for the canucks to step up and do the same.

If the only reason this team lost was because they got beaten by better teams then I would be fine with our history. That's just part of sports. But it's not. A lot of the issues surrounding this team is because of poor management. That I won't accept anymore.
- bloatedmosquito

If you go to the grocery store and buy chicken, and it tastes awful, you think "okay, maybe it was just poopty luck" You go back and buy that same chicken and you still hate it. How many more times do you buy the chicken before you either change grocery stores or try a different product? If you don't like what's on the ice, stop paying them for it. Poor management sucks and we hope it will change but I don't see how a 21 year old only having 19 NHL games under his belt is indicative of poopty management. Gillis is gone, AV is gone, Torts is gone. Aside from Aquilini being gone what more do you want?
Edit: All that being said, I get that you've invested a ton into this team, and it is disappointing, but doesn't watching with a negative outlook from the get-go ruin the experience?

Well take care of yourself and Mrs. Marwood. Let me know when you are available, I have 4 day trips planned for you, you may want to get some new gloves.
- A_SteamingLombardi

All is good. Looking forward to Wednesday night!!

I'm intrigued by the 'day trips' you have planned. Do they involve ether or ketamine?

You're a huge disappointment to all of us.
- Marwood

Maybe we need to analyze things in a little bit more detail. We were turning in good players from Moosehead days. Then we lost the team and location and we have been bouncing around for a few years. Now are in Utica and if we stay there for a few years we will get back to developing solid NHL players. The players coming in to A are just kids. They need to feel at home to get comfortable and start playing with swagger. Sometimes it is as simple as that. Remember the Movie Trouble with the curve?
Jensen has moved 5 times in the last 5 years. All the teams in NHL that produce from their farm have established farm teams in the same location for years.
I know that are professionals that chose this as a career but they are still kids that need to feel comfortable and at home.
- Linden_4_Capt

Have you ever been to Utica, I would take Winnipeg any day of the week. These kids may be excited about starting to play professionally but Utica will suck that out of them.

All is good. Looking forward to Wednesday night!!

I'm intrigued by the 'day trips' you have planned. Do they involve ether or ketamine?
- Marwood

That would be up to you, Lefty is a big (frank)er.

Like I tell my wife, keep your expectations low and you'll enjoy the ride that much more.
- Canuckleafer

Well, everyone said I was crazy picking up Joe Thorton last season and he had a good year. Hard to know sometimes.

I think nobody picked up Pavel Datsyuk this season in our pool because he always miss 35 games a year by now and is already injuried.

Maybe we need to analyze things in a little bit more detail. We were turning in good players from Moosehead days. Then we lost the team and location and we have been bouncing around for a few years. Now are in Utica and if we stay there for a few years we will get back to developing solid NHL players. The players coming in to A are just kids. They need to feel at home to get comfortable and start playing with swagger. Sometimes it is as simple as that. Remember the Movie Trouble with the curve?
Jensen has moved 5 times in the last 5 years. All the teams in NHL that produce from their farm have established farm teams in the same location for years.
I know that are professionals that chose this as a career but they are still kids that need to feel comfortable and at home.
- Linden_4_Capt

If I read your post correctly, I think we are talking about two things here. Team development and player current skill level.

I'm more pissed about how this team develops talent more than the players themselves. It's not Jensen's fault that he was a mid to late second rounder drafted in the first. Just another (frank) up by the canucks.

But do I need to be complacent and accepting that this franchise can't get their poop together enough to provide a stable development system or a management team that knows what it is doing?

Have you ever been to Utica, I would take Winnipeg any day of the week. These kids may be excited about starting to play professionally but Utica will suck that out of them.
- A_SteamingLombardi

You are not getting the point. It is not the location but rather the feeling of playing at home. And it is hard to do that if you are moving every 2 years.

If I read your post correctly, I think we are talking about two things here. Team development and player current skill level.

I'm more pissed about how this team develops talent more than the players themselves. It's not Jensen's fault that he was a mid to late second rounder drafted in the first. Just another (frank) up by the canucks.

But do I need to be complacent and accepting that this franchise can't get their poop together enough to provide a stable development system or a management team that knows what it is doing?
- bloatedmosquito

You're getting out of hand UG

Have you ever been to Utica, I would take Winnipeg any day of the week. These kids may be excited about starting to play professionally but Utica will suck that out of them.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Utica is about as nice as Syracuse or Rochester - and that's not saying much.

I was being sarcastic when I said bust. Come on.

I guess you'll just have to sit back and wait until next season. Or maybe the season after that. You know, whenever he gets the chance.

Just realize with every future draft Jensen goes further and further down the depth chart.
- bloatedmosquito

I'm okay with all of that, I have expectations for Jensen as well but they start with him in the AHL and hopefully with a call up. I would of been happy with him on the 4th line instead of Sestito. I can understand if you are pissed with the management for not giving these guys an opportunity, I just disagree that it is an indication that the player ( in this instance) is not living up to expectations.

You are not getting the point. It is not the location but rather the feeling of playing at home. And it is hard to do that if you are moving every 2 years.
- Linden_4_Capt

That's the point, if it effects them because the team moves every 2 years they're busts, because if these kids spend 2 years in Utica WE'RE (frank)ED!!

If you go to the grocery store and buy chicken, and it tastes awful, you think "okay, maybe it was just poopty luck" You go back and buy that same chicken and you still hate it. How many more times do you buy the chicken before you either change grocery stores or try a different product? If you don't like what's on the ice, stop paying them for it. Poor management sucks and we hope it will change but I don't see how a 21 year old only having 19 NHL games under his belt is indicative of poopty management. Gillis is gone, AV is gone, Torts is gone. Aside from Aquilini being gone what more do you want?
Edit: All that being said, I get that you've invested a ton into this team, and it is disappointing, but doesn't watching with a negative outlook from the get-go ruin the experience?
- bezz44

Canuck issues go deeper than these guy. Please read this article:

http://canucksarmy.com/20...y-have-a-scouting-problem

Canuck issues are deep and systemic.

Not blaming the 21 year old for canuck problems. I'm want to start expecting more from our prospects and more from our scouting staff and development team.

I didn't renew my season ticket this year. Told the sale rep why. It was very satisfying actually. Funny thing, they just sent me another 'card' saying thank you for the support and if I ever changed my mind please call us immediately.

That would be up to you, Lefty is a big (frank)er.
- A_SteamingLombardi

In that case, bath salts!!

You're getting out of hand UG
- A_SteamingLombardi

You think this poop is crazy. Wait until tomorrow.

Canuck issues go deeper than these guy. Please read this article:

http://canucksarmy.com/20...y-have-a-scouting-problem

Canuck issues are deep and systemic.

Not blaming the 21 year old for canuck problems. I'm want to start expecting more from our prospects and more from our scouting staff and development team.

I didn't renew my season ticket this year. Told the sale rep why. It was very satisfying actually. Funny thing, they just sent me another 'card' saying thank you for the support and if I ever changed my mind please call us immediately.
- bloatedmosquito

Maybe if Aquilini spent less $$ on $1000 bottles of booze and more on scouting, things would be different.

You think this poop is crazy. Wait until tomorrow.
- bloatedmosquito

In that case, bath salts!!
- Marwood

and a hammer

If I read your post correctly, I think we are talking about two things here. Team development and player current skill level.

I'm more pissed about how this team develops talent more than the players themselves. It's not Jensen's fault that he was a mid to late second rounder drafted in the first. Just another (frank) up by the canucks.

But do I need to be complacent and accepting that this franchise can't get their poop together enough to provide a stable development system or a management team that knows what it is doing?
- bloatedmosquito

Yes the management did make mistakes. I not denying that. But we are writing off players based on their play and stats in the A. Why is it that the players are so good in Jnrs but when they move to A they cannot perform. Some of it is the level of competition, other factor is non tangibles like moving away from home to a different city. Then if we keep them moving it has an effect. There are some exceptional players that the move makes no difference to. We don't have any of those players. Even the Sedins took a long time to adjust the NA and then they started playing their game. All I am saying is that we need to give Utica 2 more years before we judge. If they cannot develop guys like Cassels, Suban, cedeholme...then we need to identify the next area of concern. We need to keep some things constant in order to identify the root problem. If we change all the variables all the time then we cannot expect a better result. Because we are in a result driven industry, no GM will take their time to test all theories for the fear of losing their jobs. Hence the reason we see massive changes all the time.

Canuck issues go deeper than these guy. Please read this article:

http://canucksarmy.com/20...y-have-a-scouting-problem

Canuck issues are deep and systemic.

Not blaming the 21 year old for canuck problems. I'm want to start expecting more from our prospects and more from our scouting staff and development team.

I didn't renew my season ticket this year. Told the sale rep why. It was very satisfying actually. Funny thing, they just sent me another 'card' saying thank you for the support and if I ever changed my mind please call us immediately.
- bloatedmosquito

We have a GM with a scouting background now so hopefully scouting will improve. Development needs to be better as well, but I think having a team in Utica now helps.

That is irritating, probably the same feeling I get when SFU asks me for more money.

I'm okay with all of that, I have expectations for Jensen as well but they start with him in the AHL and hopefully with a call up. I would of been happy with him on the 4th line instead of Sestito. I can understand if you are pissed with the management for not giving these guys an opportunity, I just disagree that it is an indication that the player ( in this instance) is not living up to expectations.
- belcherbd

We got to expect more from our 1st rounders.

Nicklas Jensen = Patrick White. Based on impact, no (frank)ing difference at all.

Edit: Actually, I take that back. At least Patrick White helped us get Ehrhoff.

White > Jensen.