Tellin' ya.. IF it has legs..

Staz/McGinn >>

<< Eller/Pleks.. Gorges, pick, prospect.

2 for 4, all makes sense.

RoR is bringing Subban if thats a deal somehow. You guys don't watch enough Avs games to know how valuable/good RoR is then.
- DutchCanSaveUs

Unless you are willing to give up Landeskog or Duchene (not saying you should) don't even bother bringing up P.K.

Subban is an elite player, O'Reilly is not. It's not close.

Unless you are willing to give up Landeskog or Duchene (not saying you should) don't even bother bringing up P.K.

Subban is an elite player, O'Reilly is not. It's not close.
- lomez

I don't think he was saying RoR for Subban straight up, I assume he's saying a package involving RoR better bring back Subban.

I'm willing to guess however that these are both players that their respective fanbases overvalue. I think Avs fans overvalue Factor because we're amazed the rest of the league doesn't seem to realize how good he is, and I can easily see Subban being overvalued by whoever he plays for because of the numbers he puts up. However, in my opinion, Subban is not a guy you win with. To me he's the Dany Heatley of defenseman; very talented, but very selfish. Those aren't guys you build a team around, much less pay 8m a year to, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Montreal try and move him for a king's ransom. There's always a sucker out there, just hoping its not Joe and Patty. From the vague parameters of the deal, it doesn't sound either Subban or RoR is involved, so all moot anyway.

There are only a few players in the Habbies system i'd want

Subban, price(we have varly), patches, gallagher, galchenyuk, thrower, beaulieu, tinordi and maybe georges/emelin

The problem is, the way patrick roy talks, the only player so far he hasnt been impressed with is jamie mcginn as he was given 4th line duty recently. Everyone else he seems happy with

I don't think he was saying RoR for Subban straight up, I assume he's saying a package involving RoR better bring back Subban.

I'm willing to guess however that these are both players that their respective fanbases overvalue. I think Avs fans overvalue Factor because we're amazed the rest of the league doesn't seem to realize how good he is, and I can easily see Subban being overvalued by whoever he plays for because of the numbers he puts up. However, in my opinion, Subban is not a guy you win with. To me he's the Dany Heatley of defenseman; very talented, but very selfish. Those aren't guys you build a team around, much less pay 8m a year to, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Montreal try and move him for a king's ransom. There's always a sucker out there, just hoping its not Joe and Patty. From the vague parameters of the deal, it doesn't sound either Subban or RoR is involved, so all moot anyway.
- w1nman

Agreed that neither of these players are likely involved. Given how well both teams have been playing I find it hard to believe that either one would be looking for a major shake-up at this point in the season.

As far as Subban goes I really can't see Bergevin moving him. He threw out the gauntlet with the bridge contract and Subban has more than delivered. He will (and should) be rewarded with a huge deal.

Agreed that neither of these players are likely involved. Given how well both teams have been playing I find it hard to believe that either one would be looking for a major shake-up at this point in the season.

As far as Subban goes I really can't see Bergevin moving him. He threw out the gauntlet with the bridge contract and Subban has more than delivered. He will (and should) be rewarded with a huge deal.
- lomez

And Maybe Roy is smart enough to know that the Avs could win with a guy like PK.. he would immediately help our ridiculous PP..

Ugh. Could happen.

Montreal gets :

- Ryan O'Reilly
- Max Talbot

Colorado gets :

- Rene Bourque
- Raphael Diaz
- Nathan Beaulieu

They can take any dman but Weber.

Montreal gets :

- Ryan O'Reilly
- Max Talbot

Colorado gets :

- Rene Bourque
- Raphael Diaz
- Nathan Beaulieu
- Habs25

No...just no...

Simply saying the Hawks proved they deserved their cup last year.

Subban has been 'this awesome' for what.. a year or two now? He has yet to prove anything past that.
- DutchCanSaveUs

Calisse. He is 23 years old.

Montreal fan base, you are way under estimating O'Reilly.

Colorado fan base, you are way under estimating Subban. Heatley of defencemen? I thought a Leaf fan had said that comment. Dumb.

As for the proposed trade. They only thing I could even see as possible would be something along the lines of:

To MTL: Wilson, Bordeleau
to COL: Diaz, Beaulieu, Andrighetto, Parros

Hardly a statement deal though.

Tellin' ya.. IF it has legs..

Staz/McGinn >>

<< Eller/Pleks.. Gorges, pick, prospect.

2 for 4, all makes sense.

RoR is bringing Subban if thats a deal somehow. You guys don't watch enough Avs games to know how valuable/good RoR is then.
- DutchCanSaveUs

Statz may be better than Eller or Plekanec, but not by much. That being said, he is UFA and is on a bad contract right now.

So by my standards, right now Staz value = Eller's and
And i wouldn't trade McGinn for Gorges Straight up, so forget about the pick and prospect.

In fact Staz doesn't make sense at all for the Habs. I think it might be for PAP and McGinn.

I could see PAP and McGinn for Bourque, Diaz, Beaulieu and a 1st.

Montreal fan base, you are way under estimating O'Reilly.

Colorado fan base, you are way under estimating Subban. Heatley of defencemen? I thought a Leaf fan had said that comment. Dumb.

As for the proposed trade. They only thing I could even see as possible would be something along the lines of:

To MTL: Wilson, Bordeleau
to COL: Diaz, Beaulieu, Andrighetto, Parros

Hardly a statement deal though.
- kev1586

WTF man??

Take Beaulieu out of that horrendous deal.

WTF man??

Take Beaulieu out of that horrendous deal.
- soad_live

Roy wants Eller. Stastny is not going to be with the team next year and he would like Eller to fill that center position. Could also be looking at Pleks. He would like to get rid of Parenteau's contract and get something for Stastny so they don't lose him for nothing.

Buffalo still doesn't have a GM. Can't see them making any trades until they have a general manager.

Montreal fan base, you are way under estimating O'Reilly.

Colorado fan base, you are way under estimating Subban. Heatley of defencemen? I thought a Leaf fan had said that comment. Dumb.

As for the proposed trade. They only thing I could even see as possible would be something along the lines of:

To MTL: Wilson, Bordeleau
to COL: Diaz, Beaulieu, Andrighetto, Parros

Hardly a statement deal though.
- kev1586

O'Reilly has an NHL salary of 6.5mil this year. Forget about his cap hit, there's no way the guy asks for less money annually than that. With his age and the new 8year max signing, he is getting a minimum of 6.5 annually with that cap hit. He will likely be a holdout again...
Now I think the guy is a tremendous player, but in no way is the guy worth even close to that.

As for Subban, the whole league under estimates him. When the Habs sign him for 7.5-8mil for 8 years, Montreal will be the laughed at for over paying him.
He did win a Norris, and likely will be a candidate a minimum this year.

I know this is my first post, but I felt I had to say something here. What is with everyone's need to claim the Habs need to make a trade for cap room for next year? It doesn't make any sense to me, let me explain.

We all know the cap is going upwards of 70+ million next year, maybe higher thanks to that TV deal with Rogers.

The Habs will not resign Gionta, Murray and Bouillon...and if they do Gionta won't get nearly what he is being paid right now and same will be said of the other two.

So with the cap going up at least 6million, and the loss of contracts, I don't see the need for the Habs to make salary dumps now for next year.

I'm just saying that half this thread seems to be a couple Avs fans, trying to replay the Roy trade raping the Habs took in the 90's.

And Maybe Roy is smart enough to know that the Avs could win with a guy like PK.. he would immediately help our ridiculous PP..

Ugh. Could happen.
- DutchCanSaveUs

Markov might be a possibility.

I know this is my first post, but I felt I had to say something here. What is with everyone's need to claim the Habs need to make a trade for cap room for next year? It doesn't make any sense to me, let me explain.

We all know the cap is going upwards of 70+ million next year, maybe higher thanks to that TV deal with Rogers.

The Habs will not resign Gionta, Murray and Bouillon...and if they do Gionta won't get nearly what he is being paid right now and same will be said of the other two.

So with the cap going up at least 6million, and the loss of contracts, I don't see the need for the Habs to make salary dumps now for next year.

I'm just saying that half this thread seems to be a couple Avs fans, trying to replay the Roy trade raping the Habs took in the 90's.
- Kaden

The tv contract kicks in next year. So profits will inlfuence cap only the season 2015-2016.

But the cap will probably hit 70 M$ next season.

I know this is my first post, but I felt I had to say something here. What is with everyone's need to claim the Habs need to make a trade for cap room for next year? It doesn't make any sense to me, let me explain.

We all know the cap is going upwards of 70+ million next year, maybe higher thanks to that TV deal with Rogers.

The Habs will not resign Gionta, Murray and Bouillon...and if they do Gionta won't get nearly what he is being paid right now and same will be said of the other two.

So with the cap going up at least 6million, and the loss of contracts, I don't see the need for the Habs to make salary dumps now for next year.

I'm just saying that half this thread seems to be a couple Avs fans, trying to replay the Roy trade raping the Habs took in the 90's.
- Kaden

I think it is just MTL having the least cap room of any team with some good d prospects waiting in tge wing and eller, pk and gal all needing significant raises over the next 2 years. While some players may be coming off the books you will still need someone to take their spot, even with a low cap hit, it'll be close.

Even though mtl will probably be able to figure the cap hit out your team isn't exactly a cup favorite right now either so it would also be good to have some cap room down the line.

I think it is just MTL having the least cap room of any team with some good d prospects waiting in tge wing and eller, pk and gal all needing significant raises over the next 2 years. While some players may be coming off the books you will still need someone to take their spot, even with a low cap hit, it'll be close.

Even though mtl will probably be able to figure the cap hit out your team isn't exactly a cup favorite right now either so it would also be good to have some cap room down the line.
- Meeqsb

Again, like I said with the cap going up and some expendable large contracts coming off the books, I highly doubt they are going to make a trade just to dump salary. If anything it would be to make more room for a guy like Bournival to play more.

Tindori & Beaulieu could still use the rest of this year to grow. Just replacing Murray and Boullin next year with them will free up just over 1.2 million in cap.

Just saying...there are teams who NEED to dump cap...and then there are the Habs, who could stand to loose some cap...but don't NEED to

Habs Roomers?!
- glove_was_stuck

Roomer malfunction!

Some Names to Consider:

Montreal
Bourque
Desharnais(maybe less likely bc play as of late)
Bouillon
Diaz
Murray
Gionta
Moen (unlikely)
White
Leblanc
Dumont

Colorado
Stastny
O'Reilly (maybe less likely if he can't be moved until February)
McGinn
Parenteau
Talbot
McLeod
Mitchell
Barrie
Johnson


The Avalanche prospects cupboard is quite bare outside of the players currently on the big squad. Not very many promising players on Lake Erie. Montreal would likely get the more established player while some prospects went back the other way. That being said this trade may not be 4 players for 2, it's hard to predict the # of players who will be involved in a deal if there is even a deal, all this is mere speculation.

I think it is just MTL having the least cap room of any team with some good d prospects waiting in tge wing and eller, pk and gal all needing significant raises over the next 2 years. While some players may be coming off the books you will still need someone to take their spot, even with a low cap hit, it'll be close.

Even though mtl will probably be able to figure the cap hit out your team isn't exactly a cup favorite right now either so it would also be good to have some cap room down the line.
- Meeqsb

The only possible deal i can see if Statsny and McGinn are coming is Diaz, Bourque, DD and Beaulieu.

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