John Jaeckel: Toews Update; Vancouver Preview

I'm first, Bi-Atch!!!!!

I wouldnt mind Bollig getting in some good hits, some after whistle face wipes and not fighting anyone. Dude can't keep that up every day.

In general "dizziness" is never good when talking about a player with a concussion. He has skated over the last couple of days including today, so hopefully he is progressing.

Whatever the Hawks do they should not rush him, or they could be left with a Crosby situation. Let him be fully healed before putting him out there because you know that once he hits the ice his competitive drive will not let him back down from anything or change his game.

I'm experiencing dizziness too. Damn pollen.

That's discouraging about Toews. But patience is truly key. Right now, the Hawks are going great guns without him. So let him progress at his own speed. I rememer when they thought Giroux would be out for months and he came back a week later. Hopefully that's the case here.


Kind of hoping Jimmy Hayes finds his way into the lineup. More big bodies in front of Luongo. Of course, I'd play him instead of Bollig, but apparentlly we need the obligatory meaningless Bollig fight with i don't know...tanner Glass? Whatevs....

Hope Leddy is okay. The Blue line has taken lots of hits. And I don't think calling up Lalonde or Stanton for the stretch run is a good idea.

Here's hoping for a great game tonight and we put the goals behind Borat......HIGH FIVE!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm experiencing dizziness too. Damn pollen.

That's discouraging about Toews. But patience is truly key. Right now, the Hawks are going great guns without him. So let him progress at his own speed. I rememer when they thought Giroux would be out for months and he came back a week later. Hopefully that's the case here.


Kind of hoping Jimmy Hayes finds his way into the lineup. More big bodies in front of Luongo. Of course, I'd play him instead of Bollig, but apparentlly we need the obligatory meaningless Bollig fight with i don't know...tanner Glass? Whatevs....

Hope Leddy is okay. The Blue line has taken lots of hits. And I don't think calling up Lalonde or Stanton for the stretch run is a good idea.

Here's hoping for a great game tonight and we put the goals behind Borat......HIGH FIVE!!!!!!!!!!!
- yahoodi

Is Leddy expected to play? It becomes an awfully thin blue line if Olsen AND Odonnell have to play.

I'm experiencing dizziness too. Damn pollen.

That's discouraging about Toews. But patience is truly key. Right now, the Hawks are going great guns without him. So let him progress at his own speed. I rememer when they thought Giroux would be out for months and he came back a week later. Hopefully that's the case here.


Kind of hoping Jimmy Hayes finds his way into the lineup. More big bodies in front of Luongo. Of course, I'd play him instead of Bollig, but apparentlly we need the obligatory meaningless Bollig fight with i don't know...tanner Glass? Whatevs....

Hope Leddy is okay. The Blue line has taken lots of hits. And I don't think calling up Lalonde or Stanton for the stretch run is a good idea.

Here's hoping for a great game tonight and we put the goals behind Borat......HIGH FIVE!!!!!!!!!!!
- yahoodi

Looking forward to two matchups.. Kesler on Kane. Kane didn't fare too well last time and got pummeled for 60 minutes. Kane is playing with a little more grit. Will be interesting to see how the hawks and Kane handle 17. The other one is Shaw and Bolland against the Sedins. Haven't seen much from our guys against the twins to get them off their game. Hopefully shaw and bolland bring their agitating game...

Looking forward to two matchups.. Kesler on Kane. Kane didn't fare too well last time and got pummeled for 60 minutes. Kane is playing with a little more grit. Will be interesting to see how the hawks and Kane handle 17. The other one is Shaw and Bolland against the Sedins. Haven't seen much from our guys against the twins to get them off their game. Hopefully shaw and bolland bring their agitating game...
- ilinkhawk

Don't worry - The Sedins are off their game already.

Maybe Bolland will cancel it out and break them of their funk.

Hey JJ, just wanted to drop off the link to this article. Yet another person looking at the correlations of hits vs Corsi/fenwick to actually winning games. This one says the same thing as the previous ones do, hits aren't as important as people think they are. And the biggest correlation for winning is putting shots on net. And if you wonder why stats guys are always harping on Corsi/Fenwick numbers, well these articles are why.

http://canucksarmy.com/20...as-performance-indicators

BTW, I have found an excellent article on "regression to the mean." It is not from a stathead. It is from the viewpoint of someone responding to a stats article. Once in a while you will read something and go "oh wow" while you are reading it. This article is one of those times. I thought of you when reading it because of the Brouwer conversation. I'll look up that link and give it to you hopefully tomorrow.

I'm experiencing dizziness too. Damn pollen.

That's discouraging about Toews. But patience is truly key. Right now, the Hawks are going great guns without him. So let him progress at his own speed. I rememer when they thought Giroux would be out for months and he came back a week later. Hopefully that's the case here.


Kind of hoping Jimmy Hayes finds his way into the lineup. More big bodies in front of Luongo. Of course, I'd play him instead of Bollig, but apparentlly we need the obligatory meaningless Bollig fight with i don't know...tanner Glass? Whatevs....

Hope Leddy is okay. The Blue line has taken lots of hits. And I don't think calling up Lalonde or Stanton for the stretch run is a good idea.

Here's hoping for a great game tonight and we put the goals behind Borat......HIGH FIVE!!!!!!!!!!!
- yahoodi

Good post, but i disagree about Bollig. He's been a real ++ addition to our lineup and has filled his role to a TEE, and done it with discipline and professionalism.

p.s. Tanner Glass is long gone...he's been a Jet since the start of the season.

Like I Said before, CHICAGO wakes up and plays one of their best games of the season.

Prediction- 15-0 CHICAGO

I'm experiencing dizziness too. Damn pollen.

That's discouraging about Toews. But patience is truly key. Right now, the Hawks are going great guns without him. So let him progress at his own speed. I rememer when they thought Giroux would be out for months and he came back a week later. Hopefully that's the case here.


Kind of hoping Jimmy Hayes finds his way into the lineup. More big bodies in front of Luongo. Of course, I'd play him instead of Bollig, but apparentlly we need the obligatory meaningless Bollig fight with i don't know...tanner Glass? Whatevs....

Hope Leddy is okay. The Blue line has taken lots of hits. And I don't think calling up Lalonde or Stanton for the stretch run is a good idea.

Here's hoping for a great game tonight and we put the goals behind Borat......HIGH FIVE!!!!!!!!!!!
- yahoodi

I agree. If the Hawks recall any defenseman from Rockford, I'd bet it is Fahey.

Im starting to get a feeling Toews may be done till next year.

Im starting to get a feeling Toews may be done till next year.
- mvp0207

I wouldn't be surprised by that.

I wouldn't be surprised by that.
- EKolb13

Wouldn't he need to be symptom free to be skating? Just looking for positives.

Wouldn't he need to be symptom free to be skating? Just looking for positives.
- coldsteelonice

Sure. If he feels "symptom free," then he is going to get back on the ice. What I think JJ is highlighting is that he is getting back on the ice, and then experiencing symptoms again.

That's how I understand it.

Wouldn't he need to be symptom free to be skating? Just looking for positives.
- coldsteelonice

Hes not taking contact though is he?

Im starting to get a feeling Toews may be done till next year.
- mvp0207

Sh!tty Buzz

Hes not taking contact though is he?
- mvp0207

Nope, no contact. I guess I'm kind of confused by the source in that if he's experiencing dizziness, then that's a symptom and he wouldn't have skated today. But maybe he's still allowed to skate with symptoms? I don't really know the protocol.

Nope, no contact. I guess I'm kind of confused by the source in that if he's experiencing dizziness, then that's a symptom and he wouldn't have skated today. But maybe he's still allowed to skate with symptoms? I don't really know the protocol.
- coldsteelonice

This is his second concussion I believe. Usually if you look at other player the first concussion players come back in a couple weeks but it seems second concussions cost players months not weeks. I just wish they would come clean and tell the fans it definitely is concussion like symptoms.

John Jaeckel: Toews Update; Vancouver Preview
- John Jaeckel

That's it? I miss the old JJ. That blog reeked of low effort.

Bit of a tough game to call. I'd say Chicago is the favourite with home ice and their great record of late. The Canucks have just been wasting time until the playoffs. That said, they hate the Hawks and it should awaken some effort in them. I hope we get an exciting game.

John Jaeckel: Toews Update; Vancouver Preview
- John Jaeckel

I see that Mark McNiel has been reassigned to Rockford.

He is 19. I thought a CHL player had to be 20 before they were able play in the AHL. Otherwise they had to play in the NHL.

If Mcniel has been called up, then I would expect Brandon Saad to be Reassigned as well when the opportunity is there. How is the club doing as far as roster spot availability.

Hey JJ, just wanted to drop off the link to this article. Yet another person looking at the correlations of hits vs Corsi/fenwick to actually winning games. This one says the same thing as the previous ones do, hits aren't as important as people think they are. And the biggest correlation for winning is putting shots on net. And if you wonder why stats guys are always harping on Corsi/Fenwick numbers, well these articles are why.

http://canucksarmy.com/20...as-performance-indicators

BTW, I have found an excellent article on "regression to the mean." It is not from a stathead. It is from the viewpoint of someone responding to a stats article. Once in a while you will read something and go "oh wow" while you are reading it. This article is one of those times. I thought of you when reading it because of the Brouwer conversation. I'll look up that link and give it to you hopefully tomorrow.
- DaleHalas

OK, but you keep arguing hit count when I'm not disagreeing. it's not about hit count, which is pretty much entirely subjective to whoever's doing the counting in a given buiding anyway.

I also am a believer in Corsi, for what it's worth. Believe it or not, even a neanderthal like myself delves into the stats now and then. To a limited extent, they are helpful.

So if you want to keep arguing about both, that's fine. Maybe you can find someone to disagree with you on that.

Where I think I disagree with you is on the importance of playing physical hockey (regardless of numbers of hits). Sure I talk about guys with 20 goals and 200 plus hits as the kinds of players you want, but the 200 plus hits are only generally indicative of a guy who makes a difference physically. Like Brouwer. And his hits, while not Byfuglien/Stevens/Marchment type stuff, leave marks occasionally.

Bottom line, when a team delivers big hits and the other team is not up to the challenge or capable of a response, there is an intimidation that happens—as has too often been the case with the Hawks since 2010. Ask anyone who has played the game at a level where hitting matters. If you disagree on that, I suggest talking to some players.

It especially matters in the playoffs. Again, please don't bring out the "hit count" argument. What I'm talking about is really not quantifiable by a stat or a study.

Just results—like games won or lost and opponents worn down or knocked out of series— and what's obvious on the ice. But if you insist, the 2010 team both outshot and often outhit their opponents. Especially in the playoffs.

Oh, and if Detroit is your example of a successful finesse team that outshoots but doesn't outhit their opponents, that's fine, but they also have two guys in Stuart and Kronwall who when they deliver the limber, do it like no one on Chicago does.

Again, and for the last time, I'm not arguing with you about hit counts.

I say a skilled physical team beats a skilled finesse team 7 times out of 10 and especially in the playoffs. Period.