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Colin Dambrauskas
Joined: 09.24.2013

Jul 23 @ 11:01 AM ET
Colin Dambrauskas: Maple Leafs; From Miley Cirus to Iggy Azalea - Fancy Stats
Liger4
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 05.12.2014

Jul 23 @ 11:02 AM ET
first!?
Pea-Brain
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Dubastown
Joined: 09.28.2009

Jul 23 @ 11:06 AM ET
first!?
- Liger4

Enjoy your ban
MTL1
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Brampton, ON
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jul 23 @ 11:08 AM ET
Ok now do goals out and goals in
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

Jul 23 @ 11:08 AM ET
Enjoy your ban
- Pea-Brain



Oh come now... I'd have been banned way much more if first post stealing was punishable.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Jul 23 @ 11:10 AM ET
Corsi - Corsi is the number of shot attempts by a team or player. In other words, it's the sum of a team or players's goals, shots on net, shots that miss the net, and shots that are blocked. It's used as a proxy for puck possession: since we can't (yet) measure how long a player or team has possession of the puck, we use corsi as an approximation.
- Colin_Dambrauskas

I see this as flawed logic.

Brett Hull never, ever had puck possession. But he took a heckuva lot of shots.
gid13
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 09.03.2010

Jul 23 @ 11:20 AM ET
How can Fenwick be worse at smaller sample sizes and better at larger ones? And how can we even know that if we aren't directly measuring possession somehow?
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jul 23 @ 11:20 AM ET
I see this as flawed logic.

Brett Hull never, ever had puck possession. But he took a heckuva lot of shots.

- Atomic Wedgie


I hope the idea with Dubas is that he will not be using statistics that are readily available, not in the long-term anyways.

I take it he will have a state of the art data collection and maintenance department set-up at the ACC that will be not only gathering and using their own proprietary data but cleansing it for the flaws.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Jul 23 @ 11:24 AM ET
I hope the idea with Dubas is that he will not be using statistics that are readily available, not in the long-term anyways.

I take it he will have a state of the art data collection and maintenance department set-up at the ACC that will be not only gathering and using their own proprietary data but cleansing it for the flaws.

- Tumbleweed

Read today's Toronto Sun - an article in it pretty much confirms he'll be doing what you are hoping for.

At the end of the day, you have to go with your gut.

It appears that he uses these things to make a more informed decision, but at the end of the day still goes with his gut.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jul 23 @ 11:31 AM ET
Read today's Toronto Sun - an article in it pretty much confirms he'll be doing what you are hoping for.

At the end of the day, you have to go with your gut.

It appears that he uses these things to make a more informed decision, but at the end of the day still goes with his gut.

- Atomic Wedgie


Please don't make me the the Sun's Leafs coverage.

I assume it'll be like Chicago, no analytical approach told Bowman to pay Kane and Toews +$20M/year. At some point you step away from the spreadsheets and do the right thing.

jerseyleaf
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Brick, NJ
Joined: 06.07.2010

Jul 23 @ 11:44 AM ET
Nice article, Colin.
jerseyleaf
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Brick, NJ
Joined: 06.07.2010

Jul 23 @ 11:45 AM ET
Please don't make me the the Sun's Leafs coverage.

I assume it'll be like Chicago, no analytical approach told Bowman to pay Kane and Toews +$20M/year. At some point you step away from the spreadsheets and do the right thing.

- Tumbleweed


Isn't that the National Enquirer's competitor?
Antag
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Wellington, FL
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jul 23 @ 11:52 AM ET
You forgot Leo Komarov in your assessment of players brought in.
Colin Dambrauskas
Joined: 09.24.2013

Jul 23 @ 12:00 PM ET
You forgot Leo Komarov in your assessment of players brought in.
- Antag


Komarov - CF%: 45.6, FF%: 46.8

Still higher than all players that left.
Colin Dambrauskas
Joined: 09.24.2013

Jul 23 @ 12:01 PM ET
Nice article, Colin.
- jerseyleaf


Glad you liked it
DarcyTucker16
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: St.Albert, AB
Joined: 06.24.2011

Jul 23 @ 12:01 PM ET
Fancy stats schmancy stats... someone drop the gloves already
JVR_42_PK81
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 04.20.2014

Jul 23 @ 12:07 PM ET
I don't like "fancy" stats but I understand some of the advanced stats need to be considered when making a team.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jul 23 @ 12:08 PM ET
Colin Dambrauskas: Maple Leafs; From Miley Cirus to Iggy Azalea - Fancy Stats
- Colin_Dambrauskas



What does it say if all those +corsi guys come in here and their corsi falls or even mirrors those that left and those that left have their corsi rise?
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jul 23 @ 12:09 PM ET
Colin Dambrauskas: Maple Leafs; From Miley Cirus to Iggy Azalea - Fancy Stats
- Colin_Dambrauskas


Did we exclude gunner/polak on purpose?
JVR_42_PK81
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 04.20.2014

Jul 23 @ 12:14 PM ET
What does it say if all those +corsi guys come in here and their corsi falls or even mirrors those that left and those that left have their corsi rise?
- burn


Classic leaf fan
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jul 23 @ 12:18 PM ET
Classic leaf fan
- JVR_42_PK81



What?
LeafMan
Location: A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven
Joined: 05.20.2007

Jul 23 @ 12:19 PM ET
The Leaf dressing room was hit by a wrecking ball and couldn't be put back together again.


Yeah, that was weak, so is her music, so a match.
Colin Dambrauskas
Joined: 09.24.2013

Jul 23 @ 12:25 PM ET
Did we exclude gunner/polak on purpose?
- burn


No, edited.

Gunnarsson - CF%: 40.1, FF%: 41.1
Polak - CF%: 49.4, FF%: 50.9
Colin Dambrauskas
Joined: 09.24.2013

Jul 23 @ 12:27 PM ET
What does it say if all those +corsi guys come in here and their corsi falls or even mirrors those that left and those that left have their corsi rise?
- burn


Well, as I made mention in the blog, the system put in place can influence these individual stats. So it will be on the Leafs management to also make necessary changes. But by bringing in a guy like Dubas who can bestow some of his knowledge upon the coaches, in addition to (having) new coaches...it couldnt get any worse, right?
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jul 23 @ 12:31 PM ET
No, edited.

Gunnarsson - CF%: 40.1, FF%: 41.1
Polak - CF%: 49.4, FF%: 50.9

- Colin_Dambrauskas



I don't think that just posting those numbers side by side is a true comparison. I believe there is a way to quantify their corsi/fenwick against their team as a whole to show their contribution to the team. Gunner played higher in the lineup against much tougher competition on a historically bad corsi team and polak played lower on a very good corsi team.


I'm sure without a doubt that gunner will play higher in the the blues lineup than polak did, and will have better corsi numbers than polak.
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