Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: July 4th Quick Hits

Keep him. Make amends. Let him thrive. (frank) the vultures. Move on and prove them wrong.

Keep him. Make amends. Let him thrive. (frank) the vultures. Move on and prove them wrong.
- wilsonecho91

Sign Dustin Penner, Rusk will be a powerhouse

we're over the cap? i thought we were under

we're over the cap? i thought we were under
- 2Real

with or without Pronger LTIR

Keep him. Make amends. Let him thrive. (frank) the vultures. Move on and prove them wrong.
- wilsonecho91

If Bill is right on his guess on the price to trade him then I agree.... a lot

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: July 4th Quick Hits
- bmeltzer

I think at this stage we should keep Vinny and let him play to allow him get his value back up and then at the deadline see what's out there.

I'm sure Hexy can send someone down for a day while they put Prongs on LTIR and they will be under.

I think at this stage we should keep Vinny and let him play to allow him get his value back up and then at the deadline see what's out there.

I'm sure Hexy can send someone down for a day while they put Prongs on LTIR and they will be under.
- PJ76

I was thinking the same, anyone with a good sense of the cap able to say which players could be sent down for the day making this "over the cap" issue and non-issue. Also, if Bill is correct on the price to trade him it might be better to just buy hi out and take the hit. I am not proposing we do that but it might be a better option to trading him. Which is absurd.

I was thinking the same, anyone with a good sense of the cap able to say which players could be sent down for the day making this "over the cap" issue and non-issue. Also, if Bill is correct on the price to trade him it might be better to just buy hi out and take the hit. I am not proposing we do that but it might be a better option to trading him. Which is absurd.
- coffee junkie

I think last year Homer sent Coots down and once Prongs was added to LTIR he came right back up. The players know it's just a numbers game at that stage.

Plus teams at the deadline will be more willing to add someone like Vinny who can chip in on the 2nd unit PP.

I think last year Homer sent Coots down and once Prongs was added to LTIR he came right back up. The players know it's just a numbers game at that stage.

Plus teams at the deadline will be more willing to add someone like Vinny who can chip in on the 2nd unit PP.
- PJ76

Do you live in Dublin Ireland? No wonder we are both up too early. Is there ice hockey there?

The deadline idea is interesting because it could be that we don't want to sell at that point if we are in a run for the playoffs and he is playing well. Guess we'll see. Either way dumping him at the proposed price is ludicrous.

I was thinking the same, anyone with a good sense of the cap able to say which players could be sent down for the day making this "over the cap" issue and non-issue. Also, if Bill is correct on the price to trade him it might be better to just buy hi out and take the hit. I am not proposing we do that but it might be a better option to trading him. Which is absurd.
- coffee junkie

We have already used our compliance buy outs... Bryz and Danny.

I was thinking the same, anyone with a good sense of the cap able to say which players could be sent down for the day making this "over the cap" issue and non-issue. Also, if Bill is correct on the price to trade him it might be better to just buy hi out and take the hit. I am not proposing we do that but it might be a better option to trading him. Which is absurd.
- coffee junkie

Here's the problem: Even when using the Capgeek figures, the Flyers have no ELC players with whom they can help get beneath the cap ceiling (Laughton is not listed on the NHL roster in the Capgeek calculations) by assigning to the AHL and immediately recall when they put Pronger on LTIR.

The Flyers could waive certain vets for a bit of cap relief but that would only be $925K of cap relief per waiver -- and there is also the risk that the player gets claimed by another team.

In other words, the Flyers need to trade at least $3.06M of salary even when you figure Pronger's LTIR into the equation. Taking on Umberger's salary for three years at barely less than Hartnell's cap hit for five years really wasn't much of a good "cap" move.

Here's the problem: Even when using the Capgeek figures, the Flyers have no ELC players with whom they can help get beneath the cap ceiling (Laughton is not listed on the NHL roster in the Capgeek calculations) by assigning to the AHL and immediately recall when they put Pronger on LTIR.

The Flyers could waive certain vets for a bit of cap relief but that would only be $925K of cap relief per waiver -- and there is also the risk that the player gets claimed by another team.

In other words, the Flyers need to trade at least $3.06M of salary even when you figure Pronger's LTIR into the equation. Taking on Umberger's salary for three years at barely less than Hartnell's cap hit for five years really wasn't much of a good "cap" move.
- bmeltzer

I have to think that the fringe forwards are exposed to waiver..Rose hill and Rinaldo. There is still 2 months now that the frenzy is over.no need for panic. Happy 4th to all .

We have already used our compliance buy outs... Bryz and Danny.
- jbush2121

Really!?


Just kidding, I know I'm implying a regular buyout might be better based on the price to trade him.

Here's the problem: Even when using the Capgeek figures, the Flyers have no ELC players with whom they can help get beneath the cap ceiling (Laughton is not listed on the NHL roster in the Capgeek calculations) by assigning to the AHL and immediately recall when they put Pronger on LTIR.

The Flyers could waive certain vets for a bit of cap relief but that would only be $925K of cap relief per waiver -- and there is also the risk that the player gets claimed by another team.

In other words, the Flyers need to trade at least $3.06M of salary even when you figure Pronger's LTIR into the equation. Taking on Umberger's salary for three years at barely less than Hartnell's cap hit for five years really wasn't much of a good "cap" move.
- bmeltzer

Garrioch in the Sun is reporting similar saying Ottawa would want Flyers to take back 1/2 salary, give up a pick and take back a contract. Obviously, that is going nowhere.

But, this problem will drag on for a very long time unless Hextall makes some kind of bold move in the form of a hockey deal to create some cap working space. Is he of the temperament that would move out a large package of good players (eg Schenn and Read) with LeCavalier as an add in and take back good young players on entry level contracts or prospects in order to break the impasse.

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: July 4th Quick Hits
- bmeltzer

Happy Independence day to all my fellow Flyers fans in the States... have fun, but not as much fun as Giroux did.. lol I like to have a blast on Canada day, but I try to avoid cops and certainly don't pinch their asses.

The price to take Vinny is way too high if that's correct.. I'd be fine to keep him.

Here's the problem: Even when using the Capgeek figures, the Flyers have no ELC players with whom they can help get beneath the cap ceiling (Laughton is not listed on the NHL roster in the Capgeek calculations) by assigning to the AHL and immediately recall when they put Pronger on LTIR.

The Flyers could waive certain vets for a bit of cap relief but that would only be $925K of cap relief per waiver -- and there is also the risk that the player gets claimed by another team.

In other words, the Flyers need to trade at least $3.06M of salary even when you figure Pronger's LTIR into the equation. Taking on Umberger's salary for three years at barely less than Hartnell's cap hit for five years really wasn't much of a good "cap" move.
- bmeltzer

Hello Grossman. Makes the RJ/Hatrsy trade look even better

Here's the problem: Even when using the Capgeek figures, the Flyers have no ELC players with whom they can help get beneath the cap ceiling (Laughton is not listed on the NHL roster in the Capgeek calculations) by assigning to the AHL and immediately recall when they put Pronger on LTIR.

The Flyers could waive certain vets for a bit of cap relief but that would only be $925K of cap relief per waiver -- and there is also the risk that the player gets claimed by another team.

In other words, the Flyers need to trade at least $3.06M of salary even when you figure Pronger's LTIR into the equation. Taking on Umberger's salary for three years at barely less than Hartnell's cap hit for five years really wasn't much of a good "cap" move.
- bmeltzer

Preds and Flyers were good trading partners before the Weber offer sheet. No need to cut you a break after that. Make them pay half his salary and get a pick. Funny how most of the July 1st signings come back and bite you.

Garrioch in the Sun is reporting similar saying Ottawa would want Flyers to take back 1/2 salary, give up a pick and take back a contract. Obviously, that is going nowhere.

But, this problem will drag on for a very long time unless Hextall makes some kind of bold move in the form of a hockey deal to create some cap working space. Is he of the temperament that would move out a large package of good players (eg Schenn and Read) with LeCavalier as an add in and take back good young players on entry level contracts or prospects in order to break the impasse.
- spatso

Absurd, the guy had 20goals last year. He just doesn't fit our game plan very well. Vultures!

We have already used our compliance buy outs... Bryz and Danny.
- jbush2121

You can do a regular buyout, think its 2/3's cap over twice the term? Or something like that not the best option but its there.

I honestly think other GM's are feeling Hextall out and seeing if he'll jump the gun like his predecessor.

This article http://www.broadstreethoc...s-salary-cap-pronger-ltir seems to show some good options for us.

Preds and Flyers were good trading partners before the Weber offer sheet. No need to cut you a break after that. Make them pay half his salary and get a pick. Funny how most of the July 1st signings come back and bite you.
- predsfan97

So you cut out a good business partner for making a good decision for his team? Homer wasn't getting paid to think of what was best for the Nashville Predators.

If teams wanna make ridiculous demands fine, not the worst thing to have a surplus 20 goal scorer.

So you cut out a good business partner for making a good decision for his team? Homer wasn't getting paid to think of what was best for the Nashville Predators.

If teams wanna make ridiculous demands fine, not the worst thing to have a surplus 20 goal scorer.
- Consequence

Yeah, Hexy has to hold his ground here. Homer has left him in a bad spot that's for sure.

Schultz could take on the role of Grossman or Schenn if needed. They might have
to bring another vet as a camp invite or let the kids battle for a spot.

They will be able to send Rosehill away, nobody will claim him. I doubt anyone will claim Akeson knowing he would make 175,000 in the AHL. That was a smart move by Hextall.

I would not eat any cash to get rid of Vinny. Look at the amount of money the UFa's just received. Kulemin had half the points Vinny did. Grabovsky had 32 points. 4.5 for Vinny is not that bad.

We will have 4.9 from Pronger to make a move during the season. If we move Vinny and sign Ott, we are still not a cup contender.

Schenn-Giroux-Voracek
Umberger-Couterier-Read
Akeson-Vinny-Simmonds
Bellamere-Raffl-Rinaldo

Mcdonald-Coburn
Timonen-Schenn
Schultz-Streit

Yeah, Hexy has to hold his ground here. Homer has left him in a bad spot that's for sure.
- Hextall271

It's all patience. Hextall wants the Flyers to win but knows its better to win a bunch of times later or even once then a single time or none at all.

Band-aid teams don't win cups, cups are built on patience just ask the hawks and kings.

Luke Schenn for Grabner and a 2nd in 2015 saves 600,00. Would the Caps trade Alzner for Read saves 1.2. Akeson and Rosehill . Total is around 2.9.