Colin Dambrauskas: Burke Discussing Cammalleri Extension? Looking for Best 10 Year Deals?

Colin Dambrauskas: Burke Discussing Cammalleri Extension? Looking for Best 10 Year Deals?
- Colin Dambrauskas

Yeah that's good to here. Like you said Colin all this extension talk is just smoke and mirrors.

I can absolutely see us signing Cammy to a 1-2 year deal at a tradeable value ($3.5-4 million). While Cammy says he likes it in Calgary, he knows he's not part of the long term picture and would like to go somewhere he can win. A deal like this makes sense for both sides: we don't lose him for nothing and he eventually gets traded to a team with a chance of winning in the very near future.

That said, I think you are correct that Plan A is to trade him before the deadline and leverage other teams with this talk of re-signing.

Does anyone know how long we can keep the compliance buyouts and the ability to retain salary in trades? I imagine it's a use it or lose it type deal? Or no?

Yeah that's good to here. Like you said Colin all this extension talk is just smoke and mirrors.
- whipper334

I'm not so sure, the way I look at it Hudler has increased his stock to the highest point in his carreer if there is an offer on the table that Brian wants to accept to trade Hudler then the Cammi extention fits.

Does anyone know how long we can keep the compliance buyouts and the ability to retain salary in trades? I imagine it's a use it or lose it type deal? Or no?
- Saskabush

I believe that the compliance buy outs have to be used up (if they choose to use them) this off season. I think that roughly UFA day is the deadline. Keep in mind that there will still be "regular" buyouts, but those will count somewhat against the cap.

The ability to retain salary is a permanent part of the CBA. So there isn't a time frame on it. But there is a limit at to how much of a contact can be retained and how many total (I think it is 3) you can retain salary on.

On a separate note, how good of a draft pick is Morgan Klimchuk looking right now. Kid has 14 points in his last 5 games, including a 5 point game last night. Stepping up to match all the excitement there was over Poirier a couple weeks ago. Where do people see him slotting in in the future? I see him as a definite 3rd liner with second line potential.

I'm not so sure, the way I look at it Hudler has increased his stock to the highest point in his carreer if there is an offer on the table that Brian wants to accept to trade Hudler then the Cammi extention fits.
- Svensational47

I was going to make reference to this actually....as I pointed out the other day, I can see Hudler being moved given how he's been playing.

I believe that the compliance buy outs have to be used up (if they choose to use them) this off season. I think that roughly UFA day is the deadline. Keep in mind that there will still be "regular" buyouts, but those will count somewhat against the cap.

The ability to retain salary is a permanent part of the CBA. So there isn't a time frame on it. But there is a limit at to how much of a contact can be retained and how many total (I think it is 3) you can retain salary on.
- dal_johnson

3 salaries can be retained, up to 50% of each.

I can absolutely see us signing Cammy to a 1-2 year deal at a tradeable value ($3.5-4 million). While Cammy says he likes it in Calgary, he knows he's not part of the long term picture and would like to go somewhere he can win. A deal like this makes sense for both sides: we don't lose him for nothing and he eventually gets traded to a team with a chance of winning in the very near future.

That said, I think you are correct that Plan A is to trade him before the deadline and leverage other teams with this talk of re-signing.
- salumba

I would be okay with at 1 year $4 million contract that had no NTC/NMC clauses. It would give the Flames a year to develop some more talent and a tradable asset next year with an easier salary to move. As long as Cammalleri doesn't get seriously injured he would have just as much trade value next year as he has this year.

My first choice would be to trade him this year for a 1st and at least a B level prospect (Anaheim 1st + Antoine Laganiere or Andy Welinski) or 2nd round pick with a A level prospect (SJ 2nd + Matt Tennyson).

I would be okay with at 1 year $4 million contract that had no NTC/NMC clauses. It would give the Flames a year to develop some more talent and a tradable asset next year with an easier salary to move. As long as Cammalleri doesn't get seriously injured he would have just as much trade value next year as he has this year.

My first choice would be to trade him this year for a 1st and at least a B level prospect (Anaheim 1st + Antoine Laganiere or Andy Welinski) or 2nd round pick with a A level prospect (SJ 2nd + Matt Tennyson).
- buddy_doug

Given the way Burke operates, don't be surprised to see him go after a higher end prospect, and lower pick.

Sound like he is gonna do a complete 180 from how he rebuilt the leafs,and use the draft and stockpile prospects.

I can absolutely see us signing Cammy to a 1-2 year deal at a tradeable value ($3.5-4 million). While Cammy says he likes it in Calgary, he knows he's not part of the long term picture and would like to go somewhere he can win. A deal like this makes sense for both sides: we don't lose him for nothing and he eventually gets traded to a team with a chance of winning in the very near future.

That said, I think you are correct that Plan A is to trade him before the deadline and leverage other teams with this talk of re-signing.
- salumba

Not sure how this situation would be best for Cammy? He could fetch more than 4 on the open market for a short term deal.

I believe that the compliance buy outs have to be used up (if they choose to use them) this off season. I think that roughly UFA day is the deadline. Keep in mind that there will still be "regular" buyouts, but those will count somewhat against the cap.

The ability to retain salary is a permanent part of the CBA. So there isn't a time frame on it. But there is a limit at to how much of a contact can be retained and how many total (I think it is 3) you can retain salary on.

On a separate note, how good of a draft pick is Morgan Klimchuk looking right now. Kid has 14 points in his last 5 games, including a 5 point game last night. Stepping up to match all the excitement there was over Poirier a couple weeks ago. Where do people see him slotting in in the future? I see him as a definite 3rd liner with second line potential.
- dal_johnson

Thanks

That's how I picture klimchuk, solid 3rd liner with the ability to play top 6 when needed.

Given the way Burke operates, don't be surprised to see him go after a higher end prospect, and lower pick.
- Colin Dambrauskas

I'm inclined to think that this may be the better route. With this supposedly being a "weaker" draft this year, getting a high end prospect that is closer to being ready to contribute may be the way to go. I suppose as always it depends on where that team would be drafting too. With Anaheim, their first is shaping up to be in the last 5 of the round. But if it was maybe a Detroit, Columbus, or Nashville (just examples) that 1st rounder is in a much better location.

With Cammi it will probably depend on where Vanek and Moulsson go to. They seem to be the top 2 options when if comes to the scoring wingers. But that is good too as then you can target the reactionary teams that then feel they need to compensate for the moves by their competitors.

I still think that Detroit should be the target (assuming they don't get Vanek). They are a team balancing on that playoff line. Zetterberg and Franzen are hurt and Datsyuk may also be. They've never been this close to not making the playoffs and will want to make that push in the east. Offer Cammi (at half salary), and Granlund (who while skilled I don't see a real future spot for him on the Flames) for Anthony Mantha as the base point of a deal. Alter and tweak from there.

I'm not so sure, the way I look at it Hudler has increased his stock to the highest point in his carreer if there is an offer on the table that Brian wants to accept to trade Hudler then the Cammi extention fits.
- Svensational47

I agree but I think Cammy wants longer term probably in the 5M+ range. And if that's the case he has to go.

I would be okay with at 1 year $4 million contract that had no NTC/NMC clauses. It would give the Flames a year to develop some more talent and a tradable asset next year with an easier salary to move. As long as Cammalleri doesn't get seriously injured he would have just as much trade value next year as he has this year.

My first choice would be to trade him this year for a 1st and at least a B level prospect (Anaheim 1st + Antoine Laganiere or Andy Welinski) or 2nd round pick with a A level prospect (SJ 2nd + Matt Tennyson).
- buddy_doug

Cammi will want a longer term deal at more money to stay here (can you really blame him). If we can still retain salary in a trade then why not? We can trade him next year if we need to.

I honestly don't see cammi signing for anything less than 3 years at 5 mill.

Not sure how this situation would be best for Cammy? He could fetch more than 4 on the open market for a short term deal.
- IggyOnly

It benefits him in that he has a stable spot to be, one that he likes, while his future is sorted out. While this is pure speculation on my part (this is place for that, no?), perhaps the thought of hitting the open market doesn't appeal to him and he'd rather wait on things in a place he knows. In this case, a 1 year deal makes more sense than a 2 year one. Again, Plan A (trade him right away) makes the most sense for everyone, if we can get the price we want.

And right after Burke fired feaster he said he wasn't a patient man...
So which Burke do we believe?

And right after Burke fired feaster he said he wasn't a patient man...
So which Burke do we believe?
- FL4MES

Very true! The proof will be in the pudding I guess.

Sound like he is gonna do a complete 180 from how he rebuilt the leafs,and use the draft and stockpile prospects.
- top shelf 15

I don't think so. Way different scenarios comparing Toronto & Calgary. Toronto was high pressure to win sooner than later, where Calgary is embracing the rebuild. Burke & whoever he hires as GM could not get a better situation or cleaner slate to walk into to building their team.

And right after Burke fired feaster he said he wasn't a patient man...
So which Burke do we believe?
- FL4MES

What else does he say? If he can parlay assets to more NHL ready prospects, that speeds up the rebuild by 2-3 years compared to drafting such players. No one is giving us a superstar to build our new team around. But there are kids caught in the depth of organizations that have core potential & are ready to show that potential way sooner than a 17 or 18 year old kid you just drafted. Opportunities do arise & I'm glad Burke wont think twice to pouncing when that opportunity is there. It's the cycle of NHL life, by July of 2015, Flames will be locked & stocked full of real good prospects. At that point, Klimchuk, Porrier, Arnold, Gaudreau, Jankowski, Granlund, Knight, Agostino, Seiloff, Wetherspoon, Gilles, Ortio, Reinhart are all potential diamonds caught & held back in the depth of good young NHL ready prospects within a prospect rich organization. Some of these kids will be picked off by teams going through what Calgary is just coming out of in order to speed up a rebuild or to retool with some youth for pieces that Burke feels he needs to move to the next level of relevance. It wont be long for teams to covet the young assets of Calgary.

I don't think so. Way different scenarios comparing Toronto & Calgary. Toronto was high pressure to win sooner than later, where Calgary is embracing the rebuild. Burke & whoever he hires as GM could not get a better situation or cleaner slate to walk into to building their team.
- Kevin R

Yep that,s why i said complete 180.Calgary needs to restock the farm nhl roster,and nothing should be rushed.I dont see calgary risking the money Toronto did either ,on taking back bad contracts for prospects

Burke saying he has offered Cammy a contract means jack poop......could be 1 year 2 million for all we know.

My guess is he is traded. I don't see the Flames offering more than what he would get on the open market. So unless he wants to accept a steep hometown discount he will be gone.

Burke saying he has offered Cammy a contract means jack poop......could be 1 year 2 million for all we know.

My guess is he is traded. I don't see the Flames offering more than what he would get on the open market. So unless he wants to accept a steep hometown discount he will be gone.
- The-O-G

Having a decent vet to play with your young crop of forwards isnt a bad thing either

Yep that,s why i said complete 180.Calgary needs to restock the farm nhl roster,and nothing should be rushed.I dont see calgary risking the money Toronto did either ,on taking back bad contracts for prospects

- top shelf 15

I could see Burke take on a bad contract or 2 this year to get prospects only because of the buyouts they have. After that he won't do it imo.