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John Toperzer
Joined: 12.30.2006

Mar 15 @ 12:40 PM ET
John Toperzer: Pens fans in no rush for Iginla With the league's highest-scoring offense already in place, many folks believe defense will make or break Pittsburgh's season
Oneonta Penguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.02.2007

Mar 15 @ 12:45 PM ET
Why spend this time with realignment with too many moving parts right now. You have an unbalanced 16-14 split already with the new system - more in the east. You then have the question of Phoenix. Where is this organization two or three years down the road. If its in Seattle or Kansas City, then no problem. If its in Southern Ontario, Toronto or Quebec, you have a problem. Then, you have the possibility of expansion as well in a few markets. Wait and let things sort out before making such a move. Why realign now, when you are probably apt to have to change things around two to three years from now?
nh4442
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @MyDaddysInTheAF, PA
Joined: 05.28.2010

Mar 15 @ 12:50 PM ET
ill take iggy but not for a 1st and prospect...

jeffery and nisk or jeffrey nisk and 3rd should get it done... this helps with their rebuild...

save the despres and letang and 1sts for the ryans, eberles, perry kinda trade rumors...

and a gritty 3rd line player to take tks spot and a tough 4th line player to take glasses spot and a true defensive dman to put into the lineup that wont take despres out
geta02it
Calgary Flames
Location: AB
Joined: 11.10.2007

Mar 15 @ 12:51 PM ET
John Toperzer: Pens fans in no rush for Iginla
With the league's highest-scoring offense already in place, many folks believe defense will make or break Pittsburgh's season

- the-mitch-wilsons

SO when he moves to a conference rival... oh well. Giordano included and that might make a deal more plausible...
Oneonta Penguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.02.2007

Mar 15 @ 12:54 PM ET
SO when he moves to a conference rival... oh well. Giordano included and that might make a deal more plausible...
- geta02it


Why is it Calgary fan always wants to add parts with Iggy that Pittsburgh doesn't need or want to rip more off of the Pens as far as prospects and picks?

I wouldn't be too fired up getting Giordano and his 4.02 million cap hit for the next three years.

I don't think there are as many suitors for Iggy as you believe. We will see in the end, but I think you will be disappointed with the return. The days of mortgaging future for a 35-year old rental might be over.
rival22
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @Mance_22 - Albany, NY
Joined: 02.27.2007

Mar 15 @ 12:54 PM ET
ill take iggy but not for a 1st and prospect...

jeffery and nisk or jeffrey nisk and 3rd should get it done... this helps with their rebuild...

- nh4442


C'mon... Would you take Jeffery, Niskanen and a 3rd rounder for your franchise player?
SpoiledByOil
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 08.09.2012

Mar 15 @ 1:00 PM ET
ill take iggy but not for a 1st and prospect...

jeffery and nisk or jeffrey nisk and 3rd should get it done... this helps with their rebuild...
save the despres and letang and 1sts for the ryans, eberles, perry kinda trade rumors...

and a gritty 3rd line player to take tks spot and a tough 4th line player to take glasses spot and a true defensive dman to put into the lineup that wont take despres out

- nh4442



geta02it
Calgary Flames
Location: AB
Joined: 11.10.2007

Mar 15 @ 1:01 PM ET
Why is it Calgary fan always wants to add parts with Iggy that Pittsburgh doesn't need or want to rip more off of the Pens as far as prospects and picks?

I wouldn't be too fired up getting Giordano and his 4.02 million cap hit for the next three years.

I don't think there are as many suitors for Iggy as you believe. We will see in the end, but I think you will be disappointed with the return. The days of mortgaging future for a 35-year old rental might be over.

- Oneonta Penguin

So heres a guy that has had, what 12+ years of 30+ goals, and plays for Calgary. You have seen this team right? Other than the 04 run which was 95% adrenaline, this team is brutal. So even at 35, and given the Pens have the first and 2nd line top center he's always craved, he's not worth it? Listen no one in this town wants him gone but its a fact that without a change, he's never going to get a cup here and the organization, wheteher it sees it or not, needs to move the core. Giordano would help a poop load on the backend for you guys. He's a stud having an average year. If your recent playoff history is any indication, Iginla is exactly what you guys could use and Gio would shore up the back end...
Orpik44
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Wooooo!Bring it on Flyer wussies!
Joined: 06.04.2011

Mar 15 @ 1:04 PM ET
So heres a guy that has had, what 12+ years of 30+ goals, and plays for Calgary. You have seen this team right? Other than the 04 run which was 95% adrenaline, this team is brutal. So even at 35, and given the Pens have the first and 2nd line top center he's always craved, he's not worth it? Listen no one in this town wants him gone but its a fact that without a change, he's never going to get a cup here and the organization, wheteher it sees it or not, needs to move the core. Giordano would help a poop load on the backend for you guys. He's a stud having an average year. If your recent playoff history is any indication, Iginla is exactly what you guys could use and Gio would shore up the back end...
- geta02it


I love Giordano's game. He would be really good for this team. His contract is not as bad as some make it out to be.

What kind of package are you thinking for us to land Iginla/Giordano?
nbartley9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 01.31.2012

Mar 15 @ 1:06 PM ET
C'mon... Would you take Jeffery, Niskanen and a 3rd rounder for your franchise player?
- rival22

For a few weeks the cost should be low. He is going to go right back to the Flames next year.Kinda like the Hoss and Duper deal.
SpoiledByOil
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 08.09.2012

Mar 15 @ 1:07 PM ET
For a few weeks the cost should be low. He is going to go right back to the Flames next year.Kinda like the Hoss and Duper deal.
- nbartley9



the cost to win a cup is never low
geta02it
Calgary Flames
Location: AB
Joined: 11.10.2007

Mar 15 @ 1:07 PM ET
I love Giordano's game. He would be really good for this team. His contract is not as bad as some make it out to be.

What kind of package are you thinking for us to land Iginla/Giordano?

- Orpik44

several million dollar question... Honestly it would need to include a 1st, maybe a 2nd, NHL ready prospect and the obligitory utility player to be named later
nbartley9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 01.31.2012

Mar 15 @ 1:08 PM ET
the cost to win a cup is never low
- SpoiledByOil

Guerin= low cost
Hossa= low cost
it happens every year.
Oneonta Penguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.02.2007

Mar 15 @ 1:11 PM ET
So heres a guy that has had, what 12+ years of 30+ goals, and plays for Calgary. You have seen this team right? Other than the 04 run which was 95% adrenaline, this team is brutal. So even at 35, and given the Pens have the first and 2nd line top center he's always craved, he's not worth it? Listen no one in this town wants him gone but its a fact that without a change, he's never going to get a cup here and the organization, wheteher it sees it or not, needs to move the core. Giordano would help a poop load on the backend for you guys. He's a stud having an average year. If your recent playoff history is any indication, Iginla is exactly what you guys could use and Gio would shore up the back end...
- geta02it


We are the leading scoring team in the freakin league. We don't need goal scorers. Our power play is among the top five and this is without Malkin for the last four games.

I don't want to give up a first and a D prospect for a rental that DOESN'T shore up our major needs. We could use him, but we don't need him. Big difference. He is also a rental. He will high tail it back to Calgary after the season IMO.

Giordano - how does his 4.02 cap hit for the next three years really help us? We need a physical STAY AT HOME BLUELINER that HITS - a younger Brooks Orpik. Giordano isn't that.

I don't need the history review of Iggy. He is a future hall of famer without question. But to say he is a need for Pittsburgh is completely idiotic.

I would do a Stempy deal for a second.
Orpik44
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Wooooo!Bring it on Flyer wussies!
Joined: 06.04.2011

Mar 15 @ 1:12 PM ET
several million dollar question... Honestly it would need to include a 1st, maybe a 2nd, NHL ready prospect and the obligitory utility player to be named later
- geta02it


I appreciate. I'm not one to low ball them as players as they obviously would help any team in a cup run.
I'm sure if Shero feels those two are what we need to take the next step, he'll throw in a stud D prospect +.
rival22
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @Mance_22 - Albany, NY
Joined: 02.27.2007

Mar 15 @ 1:12 PM ET
Guerin= low cost
Hossa= low cost
it happens every year.

- nbartley9


Hossa wasn't exactly a low cost. Transferring that deal today, it would cost a 1st, Maatta and TK & Vitale.
Oneonta Penguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.02.2007

Mar 15 @ 1:12 PM ET
several million dollar question... Honestly it would need to include a 1st, maybe a 2nd, NHL ready prospect and the obligitory utility player to be named later
- geta02it


You are overrating his value if you truly think he gets four pieces
SpoiledByOil
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 08.09.2012

Mar 15 @ 1:15 PM ET
Guerin= low cost
Hossa= low cost
it happens every year.

- nbartley9



Guerin does not = Iginla

and Hossa's cost was Colby Armstrong and Eric Christensen, a top prospect and a first-round draft pick, a lot higher of a cost than what you think you can get Iginla for
nbartley9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 01.31.2012

Mar 15 @ 1:15 PM ET
Hossa wasn't exactly a low cost. Transferring that deal today, it would cost a 1st, Maatta and TK & Vitale.
- rival22

Besides Maatta thats low cost.
Angelo Esposito had quite a bit more time to show he wasnt going to pan out than Maatta has had.
geta02it
Calgary Flames
Location: AB
Joined: 11.10.2007

Mar 15 @ 1:17 PM ET
He is 35, not 25.

Secondly, we are the leading scoring team in the freakin league. We don't need goal scorers. Our power play is among the top five and this is without Malkin for the last four games.

I don't want to give up a first and a D prospect for a rental that DOESN'T shore up our major needs. We could use him, but we don't need him. Big difference.

Giordano - how does his 4.02 cap hit for the next three years really help us? We need a physical STAY AT HOME BLUELINER that HITS - a younger Brooks Orpik. Giordano isn't that.

I don't need the history review of Iggy. He is a future hall of famer without question. But to say he is a need for Pittsburgh is completely idiotic.

- Oneonta Penguin


Ya Malkin and Cosby's grit really shone against the Flyers. Thats the difference... Regardless, the Flames organization is to inept these days to move Iggy unless he demands it...
As for Gio... having a tough year but would be exactly what you NEED.
Orpik44
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Wooooo!Bring it on Flyer wussies!
Joined: 06.04.2011

Mar 15 @ 1:17 PM ET
Hossa wasn't exactly a low cost. Transferring that deal today, it would cost a 1st, Maatta and TK & Vitale.
- rival22


Armstrong was better than TK and yes, you could say Vitale would cost the same as Christtensen.

I think Atlanta got fair value for a guy who was not going to re-sign with them. Not bad at all.

1st Round Pick+Esposito (1st Round pick)+Armstrong (1st Round pick)+Christtensen(3rd Round I think)
Oneonta Penguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.02.2007

Mar 15 @ 1:18 PM ET
Guerin does not = Iginla

and Hossa's cost was Colby Armstrong and Eric Christensen, a top prospect and a first-round draft pick, a lot higher of a cost than what you think you can get Iginla for

- SpoiledByOil



So, two spare parts; a failing prospect and a late first round selection for a younger and better player than Iggy at the time of the deal.
geta02it
Calgary Flames
Location: AB
Joined: 11.10.2007

Mar 15 @ 1:18 PM ET
You are overrating his value if you truly think he gets four pieces
- Oneonta Penguin

not Iggy on his own. He doesn't get that much, that I agree...
ryman1566
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Let's Go Pens, PA
Joined: 02.06.2007

Mar 15 @ 1:18 PM ET
I said my piece on Iginla at the end of the last blog so I'm good for now.

No Malkin tomorrow, hopefully we gets some goals before the 3rd period
nbartley9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 01.31.2012

Mar 15 @ 1:19 PM ET
Guerin does not = Iginla

and Hossa's cost was Colby Armstrong and Eric Christensen, a top prospect and a first-round draft pick, a lot higher of a cost than what you think you can get Iginla for

- SpoiledByOil

Your right but the cost was equivalent to Guerin. My point is the cost should be low, Shero has not over paid yet and he wont this year.
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