From 2006-2009, with 4 1st rounds pick in the 20-30 range you could get:
2006 - 22nd Giroux
2007 - 26th Perron
2008 - 22nd Eberle
2009 - 24th Johansson or 25th Caron

Weber for Giroux, Perron, Eberle + Johansson or Caron

You still think it's not that great at all?
- chipiii

or you could end with guys like.......

2006- 21st sanguinetti
2007- 25th white
2008- 21st gustafasson
2009- 27th paradis


the draft is a crap shoot.

Great blog, also thanks for taking the time to chat with me on twitter (MXB545) this morning about the subject. It has been a very eventful morning.

Here is my opinion on the matter. I don't doubt nash could match this but like you said its a HUGE chunk of cash and maybe nash is thinking they could regret this down the road ( you never know). Maybe homer speaks to polie now that he has to listen and MAYBE they come to an agreement where the preds don't match and we trade for 2 of the pics.

This is all big maybes but its the only logical way I see Weber in the O and B next season UNLESS theres something we dont know about nashvilles ## situation which in this day and age its (however unlikely) possible.

Forgot one thing that the Preds could do right now with Weber and that's deal his rights. If I'm Poile I open up the auction and see whats there. If no good offers come in then I match.

How funny would it be to see Poile deal Weber's rights to the Pens in the next day or so.

From 2006-2009, with 4 1st rounds pick in the 20-30 range you could get:
2006 - 22nd Giroux
2007 - 26th Perron
2008 - 22nd Eberle
2009 - 24th Johansson or 25th Caron

Weber for Giroux, Perron, Eberle + Johansson or Caron

You still think it's not that great at all?
- chipiii

Yeah, sure if you take the best late picks of each year.

It could also bealong the likes of:
2006 - 20 David Fisher (Never even reached AHL)
2007 - 20 Angelo Esposito
2008 - 21 Anton Gustafsson

You would have to be pretty lucky to have 4 late first rounders worth Weber.

Forgot one thing that the Preds could do right now with Weber and that's deal his rights. If I'm Poile I open up the auction and see whats there. If no good offers come in then I match.

How funny would it be to see Poile deal Weber's rights to the Pens in the next day or so.
- IanEsplen

Once an offer sheet has been accepted - you cant....its PHI or NAS.

Yeah, sure if you take the best late picks of each year.

It could also bealong the likes of:
2006 - 20 David Fisher (Never even reached AHL)
2007 - 20 Angelo Esposito
2008 - 21 Anton Gustafsson

You would have to be pretty lucky to have 4 late first rounders worth Weber.
- wardancr

Except Poile will draft 3 7-foot goalies and 1 5-foot Dman....

or you could end with guys like.......

2006- 21st sanguinetti
2007- 25th white
2008- 21st gustafasson
2009- 27th paradis


the draft is a crap shoot.
- tomburton99

or Shea could end up like Pronger (knocks on wood)

Can't play the "if" game... plus, I'm pretty sure Nashville has a good draft record?

The $56M bonus money is what will keep NAS from matching...a mid-tier team cant afford it.
- buelleo

It's ultimately no different than the match they were going to give Suter. And Parise. All while still planning on finding a way to sign Weber.

Geez, it's high but not insurmountable. Why do you keep saying that?

Total payroll dollars, including salary and bonus money:

Yr 1 through 4 = $14 per year.
Yr 5 through 6 = $12 per year

or you could end with guys like.......

2006- 21st sanguinetti
2007- 25th white
2008- 21st gustafasson
2009- 27th paradis


the draft is a crap shoot.
- tomburton99

+1,000,000,000

Nick must have his wires crossed. 3m salary in yr 11 to 1m in yr 12 not possible; the salary cannot drop by more than 50% from year to year. Remember the Max Talbot deal that got vetoed as it went from 2.5m to 1m in a year?
- lumlums

i believe there can be any level of increase or decrease from year to year, the 50% drop refers to any of the first 2 years comparative to any of the last 2 years. The circumvention in this case comes from that signing bonus, technically this contract is ok because Weber gets 1 mill in each of his first and last 2 years. Take a look at Kovalchuk's contract it goes fro 4 to 1 million between 2020-2021 then back up to 3 and 4 for the last 2 years respectively.

'Predators Match then trade after one year - Not as farfetched as some would have you believe'

uhh, yeah, after spending 26 million for one year of webers services?

It's ultimately no different than the match they were going to give Suter. And Parise. All while still planning on finding a way to sign Weber.

Geez, it's high but not insurmountable. Why do you keep saying that?

Total payroll dollars, including salary and bonus money:

Yr 1 through 4 = $14 per year.
Yr 5 through 6 = $12 per year
- blueline

Not to mention, there are different ways of coming up with the money. Weber is going to be the face of the franchise, and its money maker. Take out a loan or max out your line of credit, and you're actually paying the bonus over more than one year (with interest, obviously), but you can come out on top if you do it correctly. This assumes Nashville continues its fan support.

Weber is a franchise Dman and they do not come around every day. THe best case scenario would be to match if they have the coin or make a decent trade.

4 1st round picks in the 20-30 range is not all that great.
- Hextall271

2 first round picks for the next 4 years? If that's the case I think you start your rebuild right now. It's not like they couldn't use some of those picks to trade for some higher end talent while still getting at least one pick in the first rounds.

I get that Weber is a unique talent, but this is not a bad opportunity to free up a bunch of cap space and possibly trade for other talented players/prospects.

It's not ideal, but it's not a bad scenario IMO>

The $56M bonus money is what will keep NAS from matching...a mid-tier team cant afford it.
- buelleo

68 million of the 100 million is paid thru signing bonus which will not be subject to any rollback that happens in the new CBA. that's rough for a small market team.

perhaps the Preds won't match and will trade some of the picks back for players ala the Chris Gratton/Flyers/Tampa deal years ago.

68 million of the 100 million is paid thru signing bonus which will not be subject to any rollback that happens in the new CBA. that's rough for a small market team.

perhaps the Preds won't match and will trade some of the picks back for players ala the Chris Gratton/Flyers/Tampa deal years ago.
- nastyflyergirl

As of now thats the only way I think he ends up a flyer

68 million of the 100 million is paid thru signing bonus which will not be subject to any rollback that happens in the new CBA. that's rough for a small market team.

perhaps the Preds won't match and will trade some of the picks back for players ala the Chris Gratton/Flyers/Tampa deal years ago.
- nastyflyergirl

Thats my point.....

And to the Suter signing bonus arguement....3yrs is MUCH different than 14yrs

I dont think he should match. But if he doesnt he lost 2 top D-men in the NHL, a KHL all-star ( ) and a fan favorite for 4 deep picks.....

2 first round picks for the next 4 years? If that's the case I think you start your rebuild right now. It's not like they couldn't use some of those picks to trade for some higher end talent while still getting at least one pick in the first rounds.

I get that Weber is a unique talent, but this is not a bad opportunity to free up a bunch of cap space and possibly trade for other talented players/prospects.

It's not ideal, but it's not a bad scenario IMO>
- MnGump

Freeing up cap space is NOT something the Preds need to do.

i would laugh so hard if the flyers did this and then the cap went down in the next CBA forcing them to loose key pieces of their team
- ky678468

The word is lose

2 first round picks for the next 4 years? If that's the case I think you start your rebuild right now. It's not like they couldn't use some of those picks to trade for some higher end talent while still getting at least one pick in the first rounds.

I get that Weber is a unique talent, but this is not a bad opportunity to free up a bunch of cap space and possibly trade for other talented players/prospects.

It's not ideal, but it's not a bad scenario IMO>
- MnGump

At this moment, the Predators are $14 million beneath the temporary salary floor. I think they are OK.

Nashville would be dumb to match. Take the 4 first round picks and move on.
- MnGump

With Weber Philly should finish top 5 in the league for the next few years so it may as well be 4x second rounders.

It's ultimately no different than the match they were going to give Suter. And Parise. All while still planning on finding a way to sign Weber.

Geez, it's high but not insurmountable. Why do you keep saying that?

Total payroll dollars, including salary and bonus money:

Yr 1 through 4 = $14 per year.
Yr 5 through 6 = $12 per year
- blueline

And let's not forget the one of the Preds owners is a billionaire. I don't see that there's any way the Preds don't match this. I also don't think they trade him in a year. Weber should be a Predator for a very, very long time.

Nasvhille's Draft Record (in the 15-35 range):

2010 - Austin Watson (18)
2008 - Chet Pickard (18)
2007 - Jonathan Blum (23)
2005 - Ryan Parent (18)
2004 - Alexander Radulov (15)
2003 - Konstantin Glazachev (35)
2001 - Timofei Shishkanov (33)
1999 - Jonas Andersson (33)

Not a great history.

What they could do is use their 2 picks in the 15-30 range to move up to around #10 each year.

Nasvhille's Draft Record (in the 14-6 range):

2009 - Ryan Ellis (11)
2008 - Colin Wilson (7)
2003 - Ryan Suter (7)
2002 - Scottie Upshall (6)
2001 - Dan Hamhuis (12)
2000 - Scott Hartnell (6)
1999 - Brian Finley (6)
1998 - David Legwand (2)

Much better record here.

Thats my point.....

And to the Suter signing bonus arguement....3yrs is MUCH different than 14yrs

I dont think he should match. But if he doesnt he lost 2 top D-men in the NHL, a KHL all-star ( ) and a fan favorite for 4 deep picks.....
- buelleo

Revisionist??? Get your facts straight.

Suter and same for Parise, so double the figures below. 13 year contracts for each:
yr 1 = 2m + 10m bonus = 12m
yr 2 = 2m + 10m bonus = 12m
yr 3 = 6m + 5m bonus = 11m
yrs 4, 5, 6, 7, & 8 = 9m each year
yr 9 = 8m
yr 10 = 6m
yrs 11 - 13 = fluff (4m total for those last three years.)


Weber:
http://www.ontheforecheck...110m-80m-in-1st-6-seasons

14m per year for first four years and 12m per year for years 5 & 6 and 6m per for next four.

It's too long a contract imo but it's worth doing and is not much different than Suter's and certainly a lot less than Suter/Parise combined plus Weber!

What are you looking at that makes you keep saying it can't be done????

edit: paying Suter and Parise $80m each for first 8 years and Weber $80m for first 6 years.

or Shea could end up like Pronger (knocks on wood)

Can't play the "if" game... plus, I'm pretty sure Nashville has a good draft record?
- chipiii

guys get hurt, guys flop. you know the chances of the preds ending with 4 all stars is slim to none.

From 2006-2009, with 4 1st rounds pick in the 20-30 range you could get:
2006 - 22nd Giroux
2007 - 26th Perron
2008 - 22nd Eberle
2009 - 24th Johansson or 25th Caron

Weber for Giroux, Perron, Eberle + Johansson or Caron

You still think it's not that great at all?
- chipiii

Or, you could get players who are not those mentioned. Out of 40 picks, you managed to cherry pick those 5 names.