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vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jun 24 @ 12:41 AM ET
If I'm correct, Richards' contract will end when he's in his mid thirties. Briz is 31 years old and signed for nine years??? That's just crazy. And yes, $5 million for an "unproven" goalie is overpaying. I saw him multiple times per year. He thrives in a quiet, no pressure environment, and even then, choked when it mattered most. I can only imagine the pressure he will have as a Flyer in a real hockey town. Sorry man, but he's overrated and overpaid.
- RedwingsAreKHL

I wanted Vokoun
LeachHextall27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moorestown, NJ
Joined: 06.04.2010

Jun 24 @ 12:42 AM ET
If Richie can stay healthy, you'll love him.
- bodiva88


Absolutely they will.

I'll miss Richie, but I'm excited about the talent that we've already added. And to think that we could add Dougie or Landeskog tomorrow has me salivating.

I'd really like to add Cole via FA too. He's the "character" guy this team could use. Imagine him on a line with Simmonds and Schenn.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Jun 24 @ 12:43 AM ET
Bill was there a reason you left Defenseman Ryan Murphy out of the mix for the Flyers pick. I was hoping the flyers would take a good look at him at #8 if he was available.

I'd say he's one of the riskier picks in the top 10. But I also think he has one of the highest ceilings in the draft.

- Baxter27


I think Murphy is too small for the Flyers' liking picking that high. Definitely has huge upside as an offensive defenseman.
feelingkettle
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "No sir, I don't like it" Phil, PA
Joined: 11.13.2006

Jun 24 @ 12:43 AM ET
If I'm correct, Richards' contract will end when he's in his mid thirties. Briz is 31 years old and signed for nine years??? That's just crazy. And yes, $5 million for an "unproven" goalie is overpaying. I saw him multiple times per year. He thrives in a quiet, no pressure environment, and even then, choked when it mattered most. I can only imagine the pressure he will have as a Flyer in a real hockey town. Sorry man, but he's overrated and overpaid.
- RedwingsAreKHL

My point is neither of these contracts are signed to the value the player will be when they are over. Will Richards still be worth 5.7 when his contract is at its end? Probably not. Will Byrz be? Probably not.

I don't think carrying a team into the playoffs two years in a row and then losing to the Red Wings is choking. Also, I wouldn't call a former Vezina nominee unproven.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jun 24 @ 12:44 AM ET
This is Mike Richards!


- rayc16



ugh
Genobuzz
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: I came to leave, PA
Joined: 04.26.2010

Jun 24 @ 12:45 AM ET
Man oh man. I was out of the office all day and I just saw these trades.
Should be pretty interesting to watch the new Philadelphia next season.

I think that this works out pretty well for all parties involved. I really like voracek too... he is pretty fun to watch.
RedwingsAreKHL
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 12.14.2010

Jun 24 @ 12:45 AM ET
My point is neither of these contracts are signed to the value the player will be when they are over. Will Richards still be worth 5.7 when his contract is at its end? Probably not. Will Byrz be? Probably not.

I don't think carrying a team into the playoffs two years in a row and then losing to the Red Wings is choking. Also, I wouldn't call a former Vezina nominee unproven.

- feelingkettle


Then I guess Luongo is a proven commodity as well
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Jun 24 @ 12:47 AM ET
What do you mean when his mind is focused on hockey? Does he take shifts/games off?
- RedwingsAreKHL


He made too many bad decisions on the ice last year. More than we've ever witnessed in prior years. His intensity seemed to drop also.

There were many alleged off ice issues as well. Lines of communication with the coach seemingly broke down, issues with the media, his ability to effectively captain the team was questioned, an uneasy locker room...



feelingkettle
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "No sir, I don't like it" Phil, PA
Joined: 11.13.2006

Jun 24 @ 12:47 AM ET
Then I guess Luongo is a proven commodity as well
- RedwingsAreKHL

I'm pretty sure unproven means you don't know what you're getting with that goalie. And I'm pretty sure most people know what they are getting with Luongo. Either he can be great, or not so great. Unproven would be more appropriate to someone like Bobrovsky.
jbflyers9710
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jun 24 @ 12:48 AM ET
Great article, Bill!
Baxter27
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.03.2007

Jun 24 @ 12:48 AM ET
I think Murphy is too small for the Flyers' liking picking that high. Definitely has huge upside as an offensive defenseman.
- bmeltzer


Understandable, his size is certainly a concern.

I could be a little bias, watching him play in Kitchener has won me over. I see him as a a potential steal in the draft, even that early.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jun 24 @ 12:48 AM ET
Richards should have fun partying in LA, maybe he will hook up with a Kardashian and lookout when Columbus comes to town
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 24 @ 12:49 AM ET
I think Murphy is too small for the Flyers' liking picking that high. Definitely has huge upside as an offensive defenseman.
- bmeltzer



If Hamilton's gone by pick #8, they could always trade down and target guys like Biggs, Oleksiak, or Morrow a few picks farther down.

But speaking of small guys, somebody's going to get a real gamer in Grimaldi.
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Jun 24 @ 12:53 AM ET
Im stunned, shocked and astonished. At this point, Im angry that they didnt get Moore, Johnson or another 1st rounder from the Blue Jackets. As for Richie, good value coming back but it hinges on Schenn reaching his potential and that wont be next year. The strength of this team has been its depth down the middle. As it stands, this team isnt as good as last year, IMO......There's a lot more to said about the cultural change and the view of management, but I want to see what happens later today before I commet further.

Shagga likes axes
Coopaloop
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boston, MA
Joined: 06.08.2008

Jun 24 @ 12:56 AM ET
If Hamilton's gone by pick #8, they could always trade down and target guys like Biggs, Oleksiak, or Morrow a few picks farther down.

But speaking of small guys, somebody's going to get a real gamer in Grimaldi.

- Tomahawk


i go to school with Oleksiak... mobile for his size- real shut down potential
bleedorangenblack
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 01.10.2008

Jun 24 @ 12:56 AM ET
Richards should have fun partying in LA, maybe he will hook up with a Kardashian and lookout when Columbus comes to town
- vejim




might miss a game or two with STD like symptoms from all the LA pornstars
Baxter27
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.03.2007

Jun 24 @ 12:56 AM ET
My biggest concern about the Richards and Carter deals is the match up issues it may cause up the middle.

Not only will this be a major challenge for Giroux. I see a major void which I hope does not fall on Schenn to immediatly step into.

For example, matching up against a healthy Penguins squad just became that much more difficult.
GoKingsGoo
Los Angeles Kings
Location: "How good is Eberle now? A Top, CA
Joined: 09.03.2010

Jun 24 @ 12:58 AM ET
Rob Bordson, we hardly knew ya.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jun 24 @ 12:58 AM ET


might miss a game or two with STD like symptoms from all the LA pornstars

- bleedorangenblack

he had these symptoms after the Costa Rica trip
aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

Jun 24 @ 1:02 AM ET
Good ish bill
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Jun 24 @ 1:04 AM ET
This is Mike Richards!


- rayc16


Dude im gonna cry.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 24 @ 1:06 AM ET
I agree on Voracek, the could still turn out to be better than most think. Schenn was developed properly by the Kings so he should end up being a solid top 6 center for you guys. I don't see a ton of upside in Simmonds, I think he'll be a second/third line winger for you guys.


I still can't believe you guys traded both of them though, surely it was possible to keep at least one of them.


Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 24 @ 1:06 AM ET
My biggest concern about the Richards and Carter deals is the match up issues it may cause up the middle.

Not only will this be a major challenge for Giroux. I see a major void which I hope does not fall on Schenn to immediatly step into.

For example, matching up against a healthy Penguins squad just became that much more difficult.

- Baxter27



Not to mention faceoffs... talk about compounding a problem.

If they can use that 8th-pick and grab a guy like Courturier, who might drop a few spots, and is comparative to a Jared Staal, they could really mitigate the loss of Carter in the future.
xCHRISx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Fredericton, NB
Joined: 03.30.2008

Jun 24 @ 1:08 AM ET
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Steven Stamkos ($7.500m) / James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Jakub Voracek ($1.390m)
Andreas Nodl ($0.930m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Wayne Simmonds ($0.960m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Darroll Powe ($0.792m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Matt Carle ($3.437m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,940,372; BONUSES: $3,815,000
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $2,359,627
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jun 24 @ 1:12 AM ET
the Flyers were in such a funk from the second half of the season and barely beat the Sabres and were swept by the Bruins. The Sabres players were making fun of the Flyers not being tough. I think management had to make these changes.
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