Canada Cup
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Location: This world is just a veil and the face you wear is not your own., ON Joined: 07.06.2007
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I dont see marner waiving to go to Utah.
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If he did.
Grab either Durzi or valimaki plus a couple of prospects or one high end pick like Guenther plus picks
Get a forward via free agency.
Or marner plus (Lili) to vegas for theodore, hertl and pick. - Fakepartofme
If he wants maximum $ for 8 years and doesn’t care about the rest, Utah is possible. New owner may want to make a splash and cute is cute even in Utah. |
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Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON Joined: 09.20.2010
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If he wants maximum $ for 8 years and doesn’t care about the rest, Utah is possible. New owner may want to make a splash and cute is cute even in Utah. - Canada Cup
With the way taxes are, he doesnt just need to go to Utah to get more money.
He sign his current contract in vegas and make more than he has here. |
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Symba007
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: I'm bi. Why limit yourself with half of the possible delicious pleasures of life - Fredo, ON Joined: 02.26.2007
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I dont see marner waiving to go to Utah.
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If he did.
Grab either Durzi or valimaki plus a couple of prospects or one high end pick like Guenther plus picks
Get a forward via free agency.
Or marner plus (Lili) to vegas for theodore, hertl and pick. - Fakepartofme
why would Vegas want Marner? Vegas is all about winning in the playoffs...something Marner struggles with (showing up with strong performances) |
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Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: This world is just a veil and the face you wear is not your own., ON Joined: 07.06.2007
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With the way taxes are, he doesnt just need to go to Utah to get more money.
He sign his current contract in vegas and make more than he has here. - Fakepartofme
I’m sure there are other options and $ might not be the only factor. But the Utugs do have advantages - Utah has a flat income tax set at under 5%, the team has nothing but cap space and picks and they might want a marketable star. I still think he refuses to waive but I could see putting a $2 bet down on that possibility. |
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senstroll
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Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON Joined: 02.22.2008
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why would Vegas want Marner? Vegas is all about winning in the playoffs...something Marner struggles with (showing up with strong performances) - Symba007
First, Vegas wants everyone who is any good.
second, you know that this Marner playoff disease is only in Toronto right?
Buffalo had the same disease with Eichel
they can go to Vegas and get cured
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Whipper
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: GalacticStone made avi, AB Joined: 07.04.2006
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First, Vegas wants everyone who is any good.
second, you know that this Marner playoff disease is only in Toronto right?
Buffalo had the same disease with Eichel
they can go to Vegas and get cured - senstroll
Usually, people go to Vegas and get something that can't be cured. |
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Symba007
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: I'm bi. Why limit yourself with half of the possible delicious pleasures of life - Fredo, ON Joined: 02.26.2007
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Usually, people go to Vegas and get something that can't be cured. - Whipper
getting married? Herpes? |
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dmnted
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Space for Rent Joined: 08.30.2006
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I got you Dementsy ...
In summary - "Keefe sucks". - The Law
do we hear that Keefe has been let go in a day or so? |
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senstroll
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Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON Joined: 02.22.2008
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Usually, people go to Vegas and get something that can't be cured. - Whipper
cured of one thing, get another
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shack67
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: NS Joined: 07.05.2015
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This is wrong over 80% of the time so far this playoff season.
From an earlier post I made:
There were 8 games total in the entire 1st round where the winning team scored less than 3 goals ( 3 in the Toronto / Boston series, 2 in the Dallas/Vegas series and 3 in the Van/Nashville series).
8 of 44 games played so less than 20% (it's 18 and change%).
So far in round 2 there have been zero but it's early.
But yes, let's cling to the magic bullet that it's goaltending that lost them the series no need to address playoff goal scoring or lack thereof or a pp that was 4.8% right?
Run it back with a new goalie and all will be better. - Cush29
But how many of the wins were by teams who only needed to score 1 or 2 because their goalie allowed 1 or 0 goals against. If a team wins 4-1 they really only needed 2 |
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Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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But how many of the wins were by teams who only needed to score 1 or 2 because their goalie allowed 1 or 0 goals against. If a team wins 4-1 they really only needed 2 - shack67
The rule is you have to blame one or the other apparently |
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If he wants maximum $ for 8 years and doesn’t care about the rest, Utah is possible. New owner may want to make a splash and cute is cute even in Utah. - Canada Cup
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shack67
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: NS Joined: 07.05.2015
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The rule is you have to blame one or the other apparently - Santo_44
The Bruins beat the panthers 5-1 but the goalie had nothing to do with it, the panthers should have scored 6 |
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Cush29
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Who Owzzzzz da' Chiefs?, ON Joined: 12.22.2014
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So 1-0 wins don't count? - underhill14
There were 2 of them in the entire first round (both in the Western conf) but sure you can believe the Leafs were going to win game 7 1-0 if Woll was in net despite him not getting a shut out in the 2 games he had where he had 3 or less shots against in the first half of each of those games.
I choose not to.
If there was going to be a 1-0 win one of those 2 games should have been it.
I'll say it again - lack of scoring is why the Leafs are not in the 2nd round. |
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The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Joined: 01.29.2008
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do we hear that Keefe has been let go in a day or so? - dmnted
I don't see how they don't change the coaching staff. |
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Cush29
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Who Owzzzzz da' Chiefs?, ON Joined: 12.22.2014
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But how many of the wins were by teams who only needed to score 1 or 2 because their goalie allowed 1 or 0 goals against. If a team wins 4-1 they really only needed 2 - shack67
How many games did a team need to score only 1 or 2 and win because they only gave up 1 or 0?
I did a quick count and see 18.
So less than half.
End of the day if you don't score more than 2 you should expect to lose more often than not in the playoffs.
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systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Real men always have to poo, ON Joined: 09.12.2007
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But how many of the wins were by teams who only needed to score 1 or 2 because their goalie allowed 1 or 0 goals against. If a team wins 4-1 they really only needed 2 - shack67
the problem is the leafs have been averaging LESS than 2 goals a game for at least the last two playoff rounds. pumping half the teams cap into 4 guys whose best assets and number priority is putting up goals and points. Not a whole lot of money is pumped jnto solid defenders and elite goaltending. so you get what you get and expecting them to allow 1 goal just about every single playoff game to give their team a chance to win because the offensive leaders snd core of this team poop them bed is not only unfair but completely (frank)ing absurd |
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Cush29
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Who Owzzzzz da' Chiefs?, ON Joined: 12.22.2014
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The rule is you have to blame one or the other apparently - Santo_44
Nobody said that, but anyone who is pinning the loss on goaltending alone is fooling themselves & IMO the lack of playoff goal scoring is a bigger reason they lost.
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Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON Joined: 09.20.2010
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why would Vegas want Marner? Vegas is all about winning in the playoffs...something Marner struggles with (showing up with strong performances) - Symba007
Cause the marner cant play in the playoffs is probably only a Toronto thing.
I think has 50pts in 50 or something like that.
Why wouldnt they want a player like marner under quality coaching?
Anywho, just a random trade idea. |
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systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Real men always have to poo, ON Joined: 09.12.2007
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Nobody said that, but anyone who is pinning the loss on goaltending alone is fooling themselves & IMO the lack of playoff goal scoring is a bigger reason they lost. - Cush29
goaltending got them to game 7. The lack of scoring lost them the series. Then again remind me how many PP goals and points Woll and Sammy had? oh...zero? My bad then. Yea definitely goaltending was the number one reason we lost. |
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Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON Joined: 09.20.2010
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Nobody said that, but anyone who is pinning the loss on goaltending alone is fooling themselves & IMO the lack of playoff goal scoring is a bigger reason they lost. - Cush29
Goaltending wasnt the reason the leafs lost, its what prolonged the series, sure. Not sure who even suggested that.
Lack of scoring and special teams killed the leafs. Same as round 2 last year. |
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Cush29
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Who Owzzzzz da' Chiefs?, ON Joined: 12.22.2014
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the problem is the leafs have been averaging LESS than 2 goals a game for at least the last two playoff rounds. pumping half the teams cap into 4 guys whose best assets and number priority is putting up goals and points. Not a whole lot of money is pumped jnto solid defenders and elite goaltending. so you get what you get and expecting them to allow 1 goal just about every single playoff game to give their team a chance to win because the offensive leaders snd core of this team poop them bed is not only unfair but completely (frank)ing absurd - systemtool
I agree but that opinion is clearly not shared by all so whatever. |
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Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON Joined: 09.20.2010
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goaltending got them to game 7. The lack of scoring lost them the series - systemtool
Bingo |
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underhill14
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Location: I think I'll just sit back stage until somebody that matters calls me out.-King of HB Systemtool Joined: 06.02.2010
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There were 2 of them in the entire first round (both in the Western conf) but sure you can believe the Leafs were going to win game 7 1-0 if Woll was in net despite him not getting a shut out in the 2 games he had where he had 3 or less shots against in the first half of each of those games.
I choose not to.
If there was going to be a 1-0 win one of those 2 games should have been it.
I'll say it again - lack of scoring is why the Leafs are not in the 2nd round. - Cush29
I don't disagree on lack of scoring but playoffs get really tight.
I know you don't like to hear it but Sammy was weak. His stats show he was weak. The eye test shows he was weak. NOT absolute shiite but he wasn't Swayman out there.
And not for nothing but both of those things can exist simultaneously: Sammy was weak, team should've been able to score more.
Bottom line: Keefe sucks. He can't coach Gods. |
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Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Joined: 10.20.2014
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Also no one has really mentioned
Marners SB is given July 1st…he has a whopping salary of 800K next year.
That has to be insanely valuable to quite a few teams.
Especially a Nashville, Utah type franchise convincing their owner to sign Marner 8 years 12M knowing over 9 years it’s more like 10.5M a year. |
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