A: I never mentioned injuries, you did. Let’s also remember Myers missed basically an entire season one time.
B: That’s because Trouba is 24 and elite, Perreault is cheeeeeap and borderline elite, and Myers is a high end 3rd pairing dman with a low end top pairing cap hit.
- Rexypoo

This term "elite" gets tossed around way too much. When I think of "elite", I am thinking top 5 at a position. Trouba is supposed to be a physical defenseman that can produce offense. The man has only scored 10 goal only once in his career and that was during his rookie season. He showed no physicality in the playoffs or even the regular season for that matter. He played played suspect in the playoffs especially in his own end. Am I the only one that remembers those dangerous passes that he sent along his own crease? Those may have been Hellebuyck's best saves. He missed 71 games due to injury in his 5 years here and that's not even counting the 22 games missed due to him holding out. If combined he's missed 93 games in 5 years.

Perreault another "elite" talent, has missed 68 games in his four years with the Jets. He was good in his first three years here, but looked like he took a major step backwards this year. And, furthermore the best he's produced for the Jets is 18 goals! 18 goals is described as "elite". That is also while playing with Scheifele, Wheeler, Laine, etc...

You Talk about Myers missing an entire season. The man had a critically born infant. He did the right thing and did what any dad would do and that was stay home.

Its time to move on from "elite" talent like Trouba and Perreault.

Tanev and Armia are 26 and 25. They are at their absolute ceiling. They’ve had chances on lines 2-4 for multiple seasons now, and have shown nothing but flashes in the pan. Neither can play defence, neither has a positive effect on puck possession, and neither can score.

I love Tanev with Lowry and Copp because they cover his defence and help him find space. If he’s with them, he can stay. Any time he’s away from Lowry, it gets really, really bad.
- Rexypoo

Armia is in the same predicament as Petan and Dano. Who has been Armia's top line mates? He's predominantly played with Copp, Lowry, Matthias, and Hendricks. That's been your argument for Dano and Petan, claiming that they have not been given a fair opportunity, is it not?

I have no idea what you’re arguing, nor do I know why to put a space between “way” and “!”
- Rexypoo

You should just stop at " I have no idea".....because that pretty much describes your hockey knowledge.

Armia is in the same predicament as Petan and Dano. Who has been Armia's top line mates? He's predominantly played with Copp, Lowry, Matthias, and Hendricks. That's been your argument for Dano and Petan, claiming that they have not been given a fair opportunity, is it not?
- TheUltimateJet

Petan actually got more top line minutes and PP time over the last three years than anyone else in the bottom six, especially in 2016-17. The argument that Petan never got a chance is complete BS. Dano never had the talent to even consider a top-six placement so that point is moot.

You should just stop at " I have no idea".....because that pretty much describes your hockey knowledge.
- bennythehat

Nice one Benny...lol....

Petan actually got more top line minutes and PP time over the last three years than anyone else in the bottom six, especially in 2016-17. The argument that Petan never got a chance is complete BS. Dano never had the talent to even consider a top-six placement so that point is moot.
- jetsnation

BANG ON ! (left 2 spaces between ON and !, just for Rexy)

27yo and locked up at 5m/season until 23/24. Good value for someone. Do they do that trade for non-roster pieces? What are they looking for in return?
- 2.0

Probably cap space. I would be more than happy to ship out Little and Perreault for picks/prospects in order to give some of those pieces away to acquire Johnson.

Probably cap space. I would be more than happy to ship out Little and Perreault for picks/prospects in order to give some of those pieces away to acquire Johnson.
- TheUltimateJet

I like Johnson more than Stasny due to quickness, age and good value contract that can fit more within the cap than Stasny will allow.

If Tampa wants the cap space the simplest way to make it happen would be to trade picks/prospects and move Myers somewhere where he is appreciated (if Trouba is signed). Keep Little and Perreault as they are significant depth players that can play up and down the lineup, PP or PK, low drama/low maintenance players.

Little will be better this year than last, not a good contract for the Jets but 2017/18 was as bad as it gets for Little. Perreault is a useful player on a good contract, why not keep him if possible? Myers has become the 3rd pairing right D and should either be viewed more like a rental for 2018/19 or traded for longer term value such as picks/pieces that can be moved as needed for players like Johnson, maybe Stasny.

I still like the idea making a play for Karlson involving Trouba. Winnipeg became a happy place for Myers after the beat down in Buffalo and likewise could be a welcome change and a winning team for Karlson. I would take a risk on his one year contract, depending on the cost of course.

UFAs/RFAs are coached by their agents to say the right things and to put themselves in a situation to maximize the next contract.

with that in mind is it partly gamesmanship that Stasny is so happy in Wpg? This implies that to pry him away it will take a great offer. On the other hand Chevy can play this game too and feign plans to pay big bucks to lead other GM's to an overpay situation - hurting the cap space of a western conference opponent. I will be surprised if Stasny ends up as a jet.

You should just stop at " I have no idea".....because that pretty much describes your hockey knowledge.
- bennythehat

I’m just over here trying to remember the last time you presented any evidence or information to back up something you said on here

Petan actually got more top line minutes and PP time over the last three years than anyone else in the bottom six, especially in 2016-17. The argument that Petan never got a chance is complete BS. Dano never had the talent to even consider a top-six placement so that point is moot.
- jetsnation

When the General Manager of the team publicly comes out and says Petan never had a fair shot, you should probably stop talking. Petan was excellent every time he got a shot on a top 3 line, and the evidence is there. Wheeler straight up played the best hockey of his entire career during his brief run with Petan on his other wing.

Petan actually got more top line minutes and PP time over the last three years than anyone else in the bottom six, especially in 2016-17. The argument that Petan never got a chance is complete BS. Dano never had the talent to even consider a top-six placement so that point is moot.
- jetsnation

Not true, Lowry and even Armia have had equal or greater pp time, and if you include Perreault in bottom 6, he has more than all of them.

This term "elite" gets tossed around way too much. When I think of "elite", I am thinking top 5 at a position. Trouba is supposed to be a physical defenseman that can produce offense. The man has only scored 10 goal only once in his career and that was during his rookie season. He showed no physicality in the playoffs or even the regular season for that matter. He played played suspect in the playoffs especially in his own end. Am I the only one that remembers those dangerous passes that he sent along his own crease? Those may have been Hellebuyck's best saves. He missed 71 games due to injury in his 5 years here and that's not even counting the 22 games missed due to him holding out. If combined he's missed 93 games in 5 years.

Perreault another "elite" talent, has missed 68 games in his four years with the Jets. He was good in his first three years here, but looked like he took a major step backwards this year. And, furthermore the best he's produced for the Jets is 18 goals! 18 goals is described as "elite". That is also while playing with Scheifele, Wheeler, Laine, etc...

You Talk about Myers missing an entire season. The man had a critically born infant. He did the right thing and did what any dad would do and that was stay home.

Its time to move on from "elite" talent like Trouba and Perreault.
- TheUltimateJet

Even strength points ( since Trouba get no pp time )
Buff - 23
Trouba - 21
Myers - 19

Trouba did this while playing more minutes against the other teams top line then any other Jets D, he is our number one D, we should not be trading him. Myers put up less points even strength against primarily bottom 6 talent. If Myers is forced to play more minutes against higher end talent we are doomed!!!

Even strength points ( since Trouba get no pp time )
Buff - 23
Trouba - 21
Myers - 19

Trouba did this while playing more minutes against the other teams top line then any other Jets D, he is our number one D, we should not be trading him. Myers put up less points even strength against primarily bottom 6 talent. If Myers is forced to play more minutes against higher end talent we are doomed!!!
- Ross77

Sorry should have also added that Trouba put up more even strength points than Myers while playing in 27 less games, 27!!!!! Now tell
Me how that doesn’t jump off the page and should end the who is better offensively debate.

Sorry should have also added that Trouba put up more even strength points than Myers while playing in 27 less games, 27!!!!! Now tell
Me how that doesn’t jump off the page and should end the who is better offensively debate.
- Ross77

The question is whether Trouba is "elite" and injury prone. The answers are easily no and yes.

The question is whether Trouba is "elite" and injury prone. The answers are easily no and yes.
- TheUltimateJet

The answer is easily yes and no. Trouba has played 65, 65, 81, 60 (missed from hold out ) and 55. So he got hurt last year, yes. But other than that I don’t see injury prone. Perreault is injury prone. Trouba has played more in the last three years than Myers.

I’m just over here trying to remember the last time you presented any evidence or information to back up something you said on here
- Rexypoo

It's all personal opinion.
This is a fan rumour site. It's not the Hockey News.
What would you like ? Video highlight packages ?
I see no need to dig for obscure stats and cherry pick out the ones that suit my needs.
I can choose to agree with what someone posts or disagree.
I find that I often agree with JetsNation, 2.0, Ross, and others. I believe that often they agree with me. It so happens that I rarely agree with you, and vice versa. That's fine.

The answer is easily yes and no. Trouba has played 65, 65, 81, 60 (missed from hold out ) and 55. So he got hurt last year, yes. But other than that I don’t see injury prone. Perreault is injury prone. Trouba has played more in the last three years than Myers.
- Ross77

How do you define "elite"? Is it top 5 in the league, top 20, top 100? Elite to me, means top 5. Trouba is not elite. He's not even top 3 on the Jets.

As for Myers, he missed a large part of 16-17 season to care for his critically ill born infant. I call that being a man and not being injury prone.

How do you define "elite"? Is it top 5 in the league, top 20, top 100? Elite to me, means top 5. Trouba is not elite. He's not even top 3 on the Jets.

As for Myers, he missed a large part of 16-17 season to care for his critically ill born infant. I call that being a man and not being injury prone.
- TheUltimateJet

Yes - seems like he's a good man, he did have hip surgery and (knee?) surgery leading up to the personal leave that were the main cause of the missed season.

How do you define "elite"? Is it top 5 in the league, top 20, top 100? Elite to me, means top 5. Trouba is not elite. He's not even top 3 on the Jets.

As for Myers, he missed a large part of 16-17 season to care for his critically ill born infant. I call that being a man and not being injury prone.
- TheUltimateJet

If you define elite by top 5 then by your definition no, he is not elite but I think it’s easier if you say he is not top 5. Sheifele by your definition then would also not be anywhere near “elite”. Are you ok with that statement?
Myers was hurt, how much time he missed based on injury and based on his family matter is up for debate. No one is saying he isn’t a man or should not be there for his family but he was actually hurt as well during that time. And for the record, I called Perreault Injury prone and just pointed out that Trouba has played more than Myers. I didn’t call Myers injury prone, although he is

If you define elite by top 5 then by your definition no, he is not elite but I think it’s easier if you say he is not top 5. Sheifele by your definition then would also not be anywhere near “elite”. Are you ok with that statement?
Myers was hurt, how much time he missed based on injury and based on his family matter is up for debate. No one is saying he isn’t a man or should not be there for his family but he was actually hurt as well during that time. And for the record, I called Perreault Injury prone and just pointed out that Trouba has played more than Myers. I didn’t call Myers injury prone, although he is
- Ross77

You still did not provide me with a definition of "elite".

You still did not provide me with a definition of "elite".
- TheUltimateJet

I’d say top 7-10 at your position as a forward, and 10-15 on D

I’d say top 7-10 at your position as a forward, and 10-15 on D
- Rexypoo

Don't understand why Ross is replying for Rexypoo and vice versa. Are you the same person?

Don't understand why Ross is replying for Rexypoo and vice versa. Are you the same person?
- TheUltimateJet

I’m also moosejuice or whatever his name was and I picked a fight with myself. 😉

I’m also moosejuice or whatever his name was and I picked a fight with myself. 😉
- Ross77

lol, page 4 was the best in this thread! Plus, looks like you scared moosejuice away (or yourself)!