Yep. Glad to see G got credit for the assist.

As was discussed, it hits your stick, you're in possession. You propel the puck in any direction, you're in possession and control. That's what would've been needed to deny G's point. Same as what's needed to halt play when there's a delayed penalty called against you.

Admittedly, it was close, but I think the right call was eventually made.
- 77rams

Great news, he should get the 100 point milestone now.

I agree with one game left no chance of seeing him. If they make the playoffs, I still think it's hard to see him getting in unless one of Gudas or Manning has 2 horrible games in a row. Shame since Hagg has had a really good season and is more in the future for the Flyers.
- LJF

I mean it's already been like a full season worth of horrible games in a row...

Just lose in OT baby!
- Just5

I'd prefer an early 5-0 lead so the kids can get plenty of work in.

Oh..and for G get a quick couple of points and call it a day.

Sounds like somebody lost a few fantasy games
- KINGKENZO

Yes I did and thanks, lol Gonna get flack for this but I do own Marchand and boy is he a marked man. (and I suppose he has earned it) He gets slashed, hit from behind and infractions are not called, it is really easy to understand his frustration. Last week when he picked up a 5000 dollar fine for a cross check that was in a retalitation to a hard hit from behind that almost took his head off and there was no penalty, anyone not getting a call for that hit would be flipping mad. All I can say is I wish he was a Flyer, you would love him.

Yes this is true and a team like Boston will feast upon us and TB too. Konecny goes from one of the best forwards lately and hits the third line. Then he makes a terrible giveaway and minutes are reduced to 12. Way to go Hakstol, that is how you ruin a kid. When they are hot and gaining the game in game out overall confidence you do not demote them and then bench them for a mistake. This is no reflection on Raffl at all but not a good decision imo.
- joegreif17

Konecny wasn't benched because of that. There is no indication at all that Konecny has been ruined. In fact every indication is that he has been flourishing. All of the young players under Hakstol have been progressing nicely. Sanheim is getting better and both Konecny and Patrick look like future top NHL forwards.

For sure Konecny is going to be a star and the benching will not set this kid back. I think what I meant to say was he did not deserve the demotion and I do not think the decision helped the team despite a Raffl goal.
- joegreif17

Fair enough. I didn't see it as a demotion per se. Yes, I understand he went from 1st line to 3rd line, but I saw it as an attempt to get that line going more so than as a punishment for Konecny. If this team wants to make any noise in the playoffs, getting Simmonds going and maybe taking some attention off of Filppula may go some ways to accomplishing that. Konecny has been playing well enough that I think he can carry any line he is playing on.

For sure Konecny is going to be a star and the benching will not set this kid back. I think what I meant to say was he did not deserve the demotion and I do not think the decision helped the team despite a Raffl goal.
- joegreif17

It wasn't a demotion. The move was made because they felt Konecny could provide an offensive spark to that line and create some attack time and make the lineup deeper. In a small sample size, it worked.

In 2015-2016. The bruins needed to win one game on home ice to secure a playoff birth against an eliminated Ottawa squad. They choked it away losing 6-1 opening the door for the flyers and their rookie head coach to win back to back weekend games and capture the final playoff spot.

Bob Boughner is a rookie head coach

Yes I did and thanks, lol Gonna get flack for this but I do own Marchand and boy is he a marked man. (and I suppose he has earned it) He gets slashed, hit from behind and infractions are not called, it is really easy to understand his frustration. Last week when he picked up a 5000 dollar fine for a cross check that was in a retalitation to a hard hit from behind that almost took his head off and there was no penalty, anyone not getting a call for that hit would be flipping mad. All I can say is I wish he was a Flyer, you would love him.
- joegreif17

MacDonald's hit on Marchand was a clean legal hit. Marchand is a great player but he is a punk and deserves to get his ass kicked.

In 2015-2016. The bruins needed to win one game on home ice to secure a playoff birth against an eliminated Ottawa squad. They choked it away losing 6-1 opening the door for the flyers and their rookie head coach to win back to back weekend games and capture the final playoff spot
- Just5

Stop it. STOP IT

Yes this is true and a team like Boston will feast upon us and TB too. Konecny goes from one of the best forwards lately and hits the third line. Then he makes a terrible giveaway and minutes are reduced to 12. Way to go Hakstol, that is how you ruin a kid. When they are hot and gaining the game in game out overall confidence you do not demote them and then bench them for a mistake. This is no reflection on Raffl at all but not a good decision imo.
- joegreif17

Yet based on facts and stats their is nothing to say that Hakstol has ruined any young player , if anything tangible information points to the other side of that equation being true.

Maybe I got the wrong mushrooms on my salad but i am confident the Flyers get in and actually punish the Rangers. Something like 4-1 I am seeing.

Healthy scratching Scott Laughton when he was three games away from completing a full season of 82 games for the first time in his career was one of Hakstol's pooptiest moves. It was only fitting that the veteran slug Hak preferred to play at 4C got roasted for the game winning goal.

Healthy scratching Scott Laughton when he was three games away from completing a full season of 82 games for the first time in his career was one of Hakstol's pooptiest moves. It was only fitting that the veteran slug Hak preferred to play at 4C got roasted for the game winning goal.
- Feanor

put the pot, dont forget to stir

Yes I did and thanks, lol Gonna get flack for this but I do own Marchand and boy is he a marked man. (and I suppose he has earned it) He gets slashed, hit from behind and infractions are not called, it is really easy to understand his frustration. Last week when he picked up a 5000 dollar fine for a cross check that was in a retalitation to a hard hit from behind that almost took his head off and there was no penalty, anyone not getting a call for that hit would be flipping mad. All I can say is I wish he was a Flyer, you would love him.
- joegreif17

It was a cross-check to the face after a clean hard hit, and he should've been suspended for it.
And, no, I would not like him one bit were he wearing orange and black. Not one bit.

Yet based on facts and stats their is nothing to say that Hakstol has ruined any young player , if anything tangible information points to the other side of that equation being true.
- opeth_pa

Agreed, the month-long benching on Sanheim was paramount to the kid's development.

Granted, it didn't ruin him, but it didn't do him any favors, either.

Stop it. STOP IT
- nastyflyergirl

Bob Boughner. Rookie head coach of the Florida Panthers

WE TALKIN BOUT PLAYOFFS

Agreed, the month-long benching on Sanheim was paramount to the kid's development.

Granted, it didn't ruin him, but it didn't do him any favors, either.
- jmatchett383

His play before and after would seem to indicate it did (do him some favors). Night and day IMO.

(sorry to the rest of the board that once again this subject is going to get beaten to death.)

I will throw you a bone and agree that they waited WAY TOO long to send him down.

Agreed, the month-long benching on Sanheim was paramount to the kid's development.

Granted, it didn't ruin him, but it didn't do him any favors, either.
- jmatchett383

How do you know that?
Is Sanheim a better player now than he was prior to that benching and going back down to the minors? Like Ghost did, like a million other young players have only to come back better.

It's impossible to prove either but that doesnt mean you should eliminate either as being a possibility.

Question:

Is it Hakstol's primary job to have players develop correctly, or is his primary job to win hockey games? The same poster who shall remain nameless has said that it is both of these things, but that doesn't seem to jive.

I would say it is Hextall's primary job to develop players, and Hakstol's main job to win hockey games.

The PK needs an upgrade. Matt Read who is playing at 2/3rds of where he was a few years ago is a big upgrade to this team, which is not good.
- Marc D

If Hextall had sent down Lehtera instead of Read in October, this team would be not be 29th on the PK and wouldn't be waiting till the last day to confirm a playoff spot. They waited too long to end the Leier experiment, and when they did, they picked the wrong veteran to add to the PK mix. Lehtera wasn't a regular PKer in St Louis, so god only knows why the Flyers brain trust thought they could turn him into a good one at age 30.

How do you know that?
Is Sanheim a better player now than he was prior to that benching and going back down to the minors? Like Ghost did, like a million other young players have only to come back better.

It's impossible to prove either but that doesnt mean you should eliminate either as being a possibility.
- opeth_pa

So you think that sitting in the press box for a month straight instead of playing hockey helped him in his development? This wasn't a "sit down and take 2 games off" thing, he was recalled from the AHL and stuffed directly to the healthy scratch list.

I cannot agree to that in any sane way.

Question:

Is it Hakstol's primary job to have players develop correctly, or is his primary job to win hockey games? The same poster who shall remain nameless has said that it is both of these things, but that doesn't seem to jive.

I would say it is Hextall's primary job to develop players, and Hakstol's main job to win hockey games.
- jmatchett383

Disagree. It is on both. Its the coaches job to get players to play the right way. You can argue that is not development. I would argue it is.

His play before and after would seem to indicate it did (do him some favors). Night and day IMO.

(sorry to the rest of the board that once again this subject is going to get beaten to death.)

I will throw you a bone and agree that they waited WAY TOO long to send him down.
- MBFlyerfan

We didn't see his play directly after this because, after the month-straight benching (minus 6 minutes), he was finally reassigned to the AHL and then recalled.

I can agree that letting him refine his game in the AHL helped, sure. But having him sit in the press box for a full month in the middle of the season did him no favors.