Gotta find a way to win today or all the good feeling/confidence in winning 7 of 8 prior to last night will be lost.

GO FLYERS!

I think i need to get a first rounder and a NHL ready young player like the deal that he was obtained in
- nastyflyergirl

Would Edm move an RNH for him ? Would wig move a Trouba? Would MTL move a Patchoretty and pieces(sp) ?

Losses to Arizona and Buffalo along with a 10 game losing streak.
Currently sitting in last place in the Metro.

Can't wait to see what they do for an encore.
- PLindbergh31

Gee, you're here bright and early today.

Shocking.

I think i need to get a first rounder and a NHL ready young player like the deal that he was obtained in
- nastyflyergirl

I agree. At some point the Flyers need to move from the rebuilding stage, or whatever you want to call it and start moving forward. Getting just draft picks and or prospects just delays that some. I want a young player ready to play in the NHL and hopefully make an impact.

Why is it always Flyers going elsewhere to win their Cups, instead of other teams players coming to Philadelphia to win their Cup? It's getting old.
- PLindbergh31

I don't have the energy to have this debate again and again but as i've 1 million times before once Hextall decided to build thru the draft I knew this was ahead of us. I don't want to see them trade a bunch of young players for veterans to speed up the process as frustrating as it is sometimes.

I know the team turned it around a bit after switching the lines around but I really don't like Simmonds with Giroux and Coots. I'd rather see Voracek back with them.
I know Patrick is starting to pick it up a bit so is may not be a good idea to change up his line right now but I really would like to see him with more skilled wingers and I know he is just a place holder but honestly I am growing tired of Filppula a bit.

Giroux-Coots-Voracek
Weal-Patrick-Simmonds
Raffl-Filppula-TK
Leier-Laughton-Weise

Honestly I don't think there is a lineup that I look at any 4 lines that I am 100% happy with. I really look forward to the next group of prospects inserted into the lineup.
- nastyflyergirl

THIS

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- ggunky

Why is it always Flyers going elsewhere to win their Cups, instead of other teams players coming to Philadelphia to win their Cup? It's getting old.
- PLindbergh31

I agree, but do you feel the Flyers could be Cup contenders if he signed a deal that put him into his late 30's.

I agree. At some point the Flyers need to move from the rebuilding stage, or whatever you want to call it and start moving forward. Getting just draft picks and or prospects just delays that some. I want a young player ready to play in the NHL and hopefully make an impact.
- MJL

Agreed.
That decision of “when” will tell us if this rebuild was successful. They have enough future draft picks and prospects. Some of these kids will have to hit at the NHL level.

As I've said before I am so torn about this. I like Simmonds and what he brings but the thought of signing a 31 yo player like Simmonds to a long term deal at the cost he is going to command has me really leery. 5 goals in his first 5 games and 6 in the last 30 and hasn't a few been ENGs? he just doesn't seem like himself. Of course that doesn't mean he won't bounce back but I just worry about it becoming a bad contract while they have done a good job getting out from under some bad contracts. If they could get a Richards like trade do you pass it up? I will admit seeing him in another jersey makes me cringe
- nastyflyergirl

Simmonds is a streaky scorer, but the following are all facts:

Simmonds is an average player at ES

He has a very slender frame that will likely start to break down as he ages

He will be 31 going into his next contract. And, that contract will be for big bucks and a lot of years.


While he does bring some intangibles and he's the kind of guy that both teammates and the fanbase love, the smart move would be to start shopping him as they approach this year's deadline. He's both too valuable a trade commodity and too big a risk to re-sign for them not to move him.

I agree, but do you feel the Flyers could be Cup contenders if he signed a deal that put him into his late 30's.
- Pelle31Forever

I would be fine with a 5 year deal in the low 4’s. If he really wants to be here for our run he’ll sign up, and I’d love to have him in the bottom 6 even if your overpaying for that lineup slot

He deserves to be a Flyer for life but also deserves a shot at a Cup. It hurts but a lot of teams could use/need a Simmonds on their team. And pay a nice price to aquire him.
- Pelle31Forever

Why, because he plays hard? IMO, guys who win major awards, are well regarded NHL superstars and/or lead their teams to championships deserve to remain with their teams for life.

Simmonds is a nice player, but lets not get carried away and start treating him as the second coming of Gordie Howe.

I don't have the energy to have this debate again and again but as i've 1 million times before once Hextall decided to build thru the draft I knew this was ahead of us. I don't want to see them trade a bunch of young players for veterans to speed up the process as frustrating as it is sometimes.
- nastyflyergirl

The NHL isn't like other sports. Make the playoffs and who knows what can happen. The Devils and Knights are two teams that had zero expectations this year and they are playing great hockey. I'm not buying into the whole "well they aren't going to be legit contenders until 2020 bullpoop. That is such a crock of poop it's not even funny. How can you predict when a team will be a legit contender? There are so many variables involved. Like for one, who is the goaltender then?

I don't have the energy to have this debate again and again but as i've 1 million times before once Hextall decided to build thru the draft I knew this was ahead of us. I don't want to see them trade a bunch of young players for veterans to speed up the process as frustrating as it is sometimes.
- nastyflyergirl

That would never happen....I think as an organization the training wheels will need to come off....as soon as some of these young d get some seasoning, it’s really about getting the kids in here and adapting to the NHL....easier said then done.

Simmonds is a streaky scorer, but the following are all facts:

Simmonds is an average player at ES

He has a very slender frame that will likely start to break down as he ages

He will be 31 going into his next contract. And, that contract will be for big bucks and a lot of years.


While he does bring some intangibles and he's the kind of guy that both teammates and the fanbase love, the smart move would be to start shopping him as they approach this year's deadline. He's both too valuable a trade commodity and too big a risk to re-sign for them not to move him.
- BiggE

I don't buy that Simmonds is an average player at ES. The same thing was said about Schenn. They just need to find the right combination that Simmonds can mesh with and I have no doubt that he can be a very good point producer at ES.

I would be fine with a 5 year deal in the low 4’s. If he really wants to be here for our run he’ll sign up, and I’d love to have him in the bottom 6 even if your overpaying for that lineup slot
- Just5

I think everyone would be fine with that type of deal, but who are we kidding. Both Simmonds, and more importantly his agent, know that some GM is going to put 6 years and 40 million on the table. Simmonds might give the Flyers a slight discount, but he's not leaving 15+ million on the table.

Simmonds is a streaky scorer, but the following are all facts:

Simmonds is an average player at ES

He has a very slender frame that will likely start to break down as he ages

He will be 31 going into his next contract. And, that contract will be for big bucks and a lot of years.


While he does bring some intangibles and he's the kind of guy that both teammates and the fanbase love, the smart move would be to start shopping him as they approach this year's deadline. He's both too valuable a trade commodity and too big a risk to re-sign for them not to move him.
- BiggE

I don't disagree, GM's have to make moves based on their heads while us fans are the ones that lead with our hearts. its probably the smart move. But like i mentioned they need to get a young NHL ready player in return, not just picks or a kid that was drafted last year.

I agree, but do you feel the Flyers could be Cup contenders if he signed a deal that put him into his late 30's.
- Pelle31Forever

I didn't mean Simmonds per say. I was just saying in general. I like Simmonds, but I don't know if you want to have a potential long term contract at a high cap hit for a player who will be north of 30. Simmonds isn't very good at ES which you would like when you are committing a long term deal to a player.

I don't buy that Simmonds is an average player at ES. The same thing was said about Schenn. They just need to find the right combination that Simmonds can mesh with and I have no doubt that he can be a very good point producer at ES.
- MJL

Over his last 4 full seasons, he's averaged 32 ES points per season. Those are average numbers for a top 6 winger. He's 3 years older than Schenn, do you honestly think those numbers are going to improve as he moves into his 30s. Yes, compared to ALL NHL forwards, he's above average at ES. However, he's not nearly good enough to justify re-signing him to a long term, big dollar deal that will start at age 31. The smart business move would be to trade him.

I don't disagree, GM's have to make moves based on their heads while us fans are the ones that lead with our hearts. its probably the smart move. But like i mentioned they need to get a young NHL ready player in return, not just picks or a kid that was drafted last year.
- nastyflyergirl

I agree 100% with getting a young roster player (preferably a forward) and a 1st for him

The NHL isn't like other sports. Make the playoffs and who knows what can happen. The Devils and Knights are two teams that had zero expectations this year and they are playing great hockey. I'm not buying into the whole "well they aren't going to be legit contenders until 2020 bullpoop. That is such a crock of poop it's not even funny. How can you predict when a team will be a legit contender? There are so many variables involved. Like for one, who is the goaltender then?
- PLindbergh31

by 2020? i sure as poop hope the tandem is Hart and one of the other kids like Sanstrom or Stolarz. Look, all I will say is the Flyers have been chasing the cup from the 90's on by throwing out money on countless free agents, trading away picks and prospects for veterans, etc etc and where has it gotten us? to a few one and done finals appearances and cap hell at times. The teams from the 70's and 80's were built thru the draft for the most part. that doesn't mean you don't make moves for veterans at some point but I just don't see them being there yet.

I am on board with this plan because the other way hasn't worked. Believe me I want the process to move a little faster but I get it. Now if the prospects don't pan out then it will be Hextall's head to roll.

by 2020? i sure as poop hope the tandem is Hart and one of the other kids like Sanstrom or Stolarz. Look, all I will say is the Flyers have been chasing the cup from the 90's on by throwing out money on countless free agents, trading away picks and prospects for veterans, etc etc and where has it gotten us? to a few one and done finals appearances and cap hell at times. The teams from the 70's and 80's were built thru the draft for the most part. that doesn't mean you don't make moves for veterans at some point but I just don't see them being there yet.

I am on board with this plan because the other way hasn't worked. Believe me I want the process to move a little faster but I get it. Now if the prospects don't pan out then it will be Hextall's head to roll.
- nastyflyergirl

Hart and or Sandstrom may turn into franchise goaltenders, who knows. If one of them is the starter in 2020 they will be a young player in their rookie year. There will be ups and downs 95% of the time with young goalies.

You can't build a team strictly through the draft. You have to supplement with free agents, and trades. So far in year 4, what has Hextall done in this capacity to give you confidence in him going forward?

And yes, in the past the Flyers have been aggressive trading future picks away to try and win. That doesn't have to always fail. When you trade picks away for stiffs who can't play that is when it cripples you and sets a franchise back.

Over his last 4 full seasons, he's averaged 32 ES points per season. Those are average numbers for a top 6 winger. He's 3 years older than Schenn, do you honestly think those numbers are going to improve as he moves into his 30s. Yes, compared to ALL NHL forwards, he's above average at ES. However, he's not nearly good enough to justify re-signing him to a long term, big dollar deal that will start at age 31. The smart business move would be to trade him.
- BiggE

The Flyers as a team have been a poor ES team offensively. Yes, if the Flyers as a team are able to improve offensively as an ES team and find the right players that Simmonds can find chemistry with, I have no doubts that he can be a very good ES point producer.

Last year, 32 ES points for a RW puts a player at 32nd in the league in ES points.

I think there are merits to trading him, but there are also merits to re-signing him. It's not a slam dunk decision that you make it out to be.

I agree 100% with getting a young roster player (preferably a forward) and a 1st for him
- BiggE

This is probably the best route to take but I'd be damned interested in dangling Simmonds+ for Karlsson (pending contract extension of course). We have contracts coming off the books and rookies knocking at the door so I'm not worried about the money here.

That's just me though. We know Hextall will never make that kind of move.

This is probably the best route to take but I'd be damned interested in dangling Simmonds+ for Karlsson (pending contract extension of course). We have contracts coming off the books and rookies knocking at the door so I'm not worried about the money here.

That's just me though. We know Hextall will never make that kind of move.
- hereticpride

If Karlsson is traded it will be a huge bidding war for him and the price will be high.