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mventres
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 06.09.2008

Jun 28 @ 4:20 PM ET
Berglund's out for like half a season... Again...

Shawn Matthias is a 4th liner.

I want to say Eakin is more 4th liner than 3rd liner at this point in his career so I think we'd be taking a gamble by taking on his ~4 mil AAV. I might prefer to see what Bonino gets and pay the extra.

Backlund and Nelson would be good gets. Both are middle six centers and can slot up to the second line no problem when injuries hit. I don't know how available either are, though. I feel like Calgary is higher on Backlund than they are on Bennett.

I'd be fine with Girgenson as long as he doesn't get an outrageous contract. He's a RFA this offseason.

- Victoro311


If Bennett from CGY is available for less than Backlund I would definitely go that route...
joker10277
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.02.2006

Jun 28 @ 4:24 PM ET
No way GMJR is giving up Maatta for one year of Tyler Bozak!
Mr.FunFacts
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Montreal, QC
Joined: 09.20.2015

Jun 28 @ 4:24 PM ET
Nobody ever said that. Provide the post if you think someone did.
- T-Train

Haha people were talking about Duchene to Pitt in RW last blog. I'm just teasing.
mind you some people really were saying Duchene for Matta 1 for 1 is possible, which is absurd, for once ill give you guy's a Mr.Funfacts trade!


Duchene to Pitt



Matta
Spong or rust
1st round 2018 + 1 more low pick to COL

Reason being befor you all attack me. There is nothing forcing Sakic to move Duchene at this time. You'll see Duchene value go up next year believe it or not. It will only drop in 2019 at the deadline when Sakic is forced to trade him or lose him for nothing. That by the way is also Sakics insane price tag so there it is.
joker10277
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.02.2006

Jun 28 @ 4:28 PM ET
Haha people were talking about Duchene to Pitt in RW last blog. I'm just teasing.
mind you some people really were saying Duchene for Matta 1 for 1 is possible, which is absurd, for once ill give you guy's a Mr.Funfacts trade!


Duchene to Pitt



Matta
Spong or rust
1st round 2018 + 1 more low pick to COL

Reason being befor you all attack me. There is nothing forcing Sakic to move Duchene at this time. You'll see Duchene value go up next year believe it or not. It will only drop in 2019 at the deadline when Sakic is forced to trade him or lose him for nothing. That by the way is also Sakics insane price tag so there it is.

- Mr.FunFacts


That and the fact that he's not a 3C is why is not happening! Pens don't need him unless Kessel is being traded somewhere!
Anyway no way should the pens trade Sprong, he's their best prospect and it's not close.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jun 28 @ 4:28 PM ET
Haha people were talking about Duchene to Pitt in RW last blog. I'm just teasing.
mind you some people really were saying Duchene for Matta 1 for 1 is possible, which is absurd, for once ill give you guy's a Mr.Funfacts trade!


Duchene to Pitt



Matta
Spong or rust
1st round 2018 + 1 more low pick to COL

Reason being befor you all attack me. There is nothing forcing Sakic to move Duchene at this time. You'll see Duchene value go up next year believe it or not. It will only drop in 2019 at the deadline when Sakic is forced to trade him or lose him for nothing. That by the way is also Sakics insane price tag so there it is.

- Mr.FunFacts




They really aren't THAT different...
Dcoms
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Chatham , ON
Joined: 06.22.2014

Jun 28 @ 4:32 PM ET
Say NO to Blowzak and say it often.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jun 28 @ 4:35 PM ET
If Bennett from CGY is available for less than Backlund I would definitely go that route...
- mventres

I'd love Bennett. Loads of skill and a sandpapery type player. He just hasn't put it together yet. If Calgary makes him available, he'd be one of my top targets.

Calgary is really positioning itself to turn the corner though, so I don't think either will be available. Their defense is nuts and they have two of the best youngsters in hockey in Gaudreau and Monahan leading the charge up front. If I'm Calgary I stay put and see how this season goes. They seem to improve their roster each year. They're close.
Mr.FunFacts
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Montreal, QC
Joined: 09.20.2015

Jun 28 @ 4:39 PM ET


They really aren't THAT different...

- j.boyd919

They really are though Larsson imo is a number 1 guy. He completely changed EDM entire look on defence. Larsson is an insanely good shut down man, he plays vs every teams first line and plays well against them.
Mr.FunFacts
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Montreal, QC
Joined: 09.20.2015

Jun 28 @ 4:50 PM ET
That and the fact that he's not a 3C is why is not happening! Pens don't need him unless Kessel is being traded somewhere!
Anyway no way should the pens trade Sprong, he's their best prospect and it's not close.

- joker10277

Oh I'm not saying Pitt should accept the trade I purposed, just that's what it's gonna take as of right now.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jun 28 @ 4:57 PM ET
They really are though Larsson imo is a number 1 guy. He completely changed EDM entire look on defence. Larsson is an insanely good shut down man, he plays vs every teams first line and plays well against them.
- Mr.FunFacts


lol Larsson is not a number 1 guy.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jun 28 @ 4:59 PM ET
They really are though Larsson imo is a number 1 guy. He completely changed EDM entire look on defence. Larsson is an insanely good shut down man, he plays vs every teams first line and plays well against them.
- Mr.FunFacts


Klefbom, Sekera, and Kris (frank)ing Russell all averaged more ice time than Larsson.

No. 1 Dmen put up more than 19 points in a season.

He's not that good.
T-Train
Joined: 06.20.2016

Jun 28 @ 5:00 PM ET
Haha people were talking about Duchene to Pitt in RW last blog. I'm just teasing.
mind you some people really were saying Duchene for Matta 1 for 1 is possible, which is absurd, for once ill give you guy's a Mr.Funfacts trade!


Duchene to Pitt



Matta
Spong or rust
1st round 2018 + 1 more low pick to COL

Reason being befor you all attack me. There is nothing forcing Sakic to move Duchene at this time. You'll see Duchene value go up next year believe it or not. It will only drop in 2019 at the deadline when Sakic is forced to trade him or lose him for nothing. That by the way is also Sakics insane price tag so there it is.

- Mr.FunFacts

EXCEPT THAT NO ONE SAID IT.

I don't mean to jump on you, but literally no one said Maatta for Duchene. That's why I asked for the post. You've posted that someone said that now twice in two different blogs. This is how BS and "alternative facts" get started. And then to make a snide remark about Pens fans because of it?

ONE poster said that he wouldn't do Duchene for Maatta 1 for 1 because it takes from a position of weakness for the Pens (defense) just to add a 3C. He also said he didn't like Duchene's contract. I can't argue with either point. He didn't make a value judgment whatsoever.

That shouldn't be extrapolated into, "Hey, how about Duchene for Maatta straight up?"

Granted, I would do that trade in a second and worry about Duchene's cap hit and replacing Maatta later, but that's beside the point. The point is, no one proposed that trade and the one guy who said that he wouldn't even do it hypothetically for reasons other than objective player value.
T-Train
Joined: 06.20.2016

Jun 28 @ 5:06 PM ET
Haha people were talking about Duchene to Pitt in RW last blog. I'm just teasing.
mind you some people really were saying Duchene for Matta 1 for 1 is possible, which is absurd, for once ill give you guy's a Mr.Funfacts trade!


Duchene to Pitt



Matta
Spong or rust
1st round 2018 + 1 more low pick to COL

Reason being befor you all attack me. There is nothing forcing Sakic to move Duchene at this time. You'll see Duchene value go up next year believe it or not. It will only drop in 2019 at the deadline when Sakic is forced to trade him or lose him for nothing. That by the way is also Sakics insane price tag so there it is.

- Mr.FunFacts

So you are just taking Ryan Wilson's trade proposal and replacing Hornqvist with either Sprong or Rust (and added a worthless low pick).

I would probably do it but there's a reason I'm not a GM.
Mr.FunFacts
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Montreal, QC
Joined: 09.20.2015

Jun 28 @ 5:16 PM ET
lol Larsson is not a number 1 guy.
- j.boyd919

I said imo, Larsson is a number one. He's a beast and a perfect shut down d man.
Mr.FunFacts
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Montreal, QC
Joined: 09.20.2015

Jun 28 @ 5:19 PM ET
So you are just taking Ryan Wilson's trade proposal and replacing Hornqvist with either Sprong or Rust (and added a worthless low pick).

I would probably do it but there's a reason I'm not a GM.

- T-Train

People on RW last blog suggested it, and switching Hornqvist with sprong is a Major difference.
DeflatedPucks
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NYC, NY
Joined: 04.29.2016

Jun 28 @ 5:25 PM ET
Haha people were talking about Duchene to Pitt in RW last blog. I'm just teasing.
mind you some people really were saying Duchene for Matta 1 for 1 is possible, which is absurd, for once ill give you guy's a Mr.Funfacts trade!

Duchene to Pitt

Matta
Spong or rust
1st round 2018 + 1 more low pick to COL

Reason being befor you all attack me. There is nothing forcing Sakic to move Duchene at this time. You'll see Duchene value go up next year believe it or not. It will only drop in 2019 at the deadline when Sakic is forced to trade him or lose him for nothing. That by the way is also Sakics insane price tag so there it is.

- Mr.FunFacts


I'm just triggered by the misspelling of maatta's name (even without the umalut)

And Adam L. is nowhere near a no. 1 dman
Mr.FunFacts
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Montreal, QC
Joined: 09.20.2015

Jun 28 @ 5:27 PM ET
lol Larsson is not a number 1 guy.
- j.boyd919

I mean he posted a + 21 that's a pretty good number for a guy who didn't score. It means while he was on the ice they didn't get scored on much.
Mr.FunFacts
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Montreal, QC
Joined: 09.20.2015

Jun 28 @ 5:29 PM ET
I'm just triggered by the misspelling of maatta's name (even without the umalut)

And Adam L. is nowhere near a no. 1 dman

- DeflatedPucks

Writing on IPhone on this site rocks.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jun 28 @ 5:31 PM ET
I said imo, Larsson is a number one. He's a beast and a perfect shut down d man.
- Mr.FunFacts


5v5

Most shot attempts against of any player on EDM
Most fenwick attempts, so he didn't cover much up with blocks
2nd most goals against
2nd most scoring chances against
most high danger chances against


I would probably attribute most of his "success" to Talbot/McDavid having an awesome year. Those 2 masked a lot of EDM's deficiencies in my opinion
PensFan1962
Season Ticket Holder
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: PA
Joined: 06.13.2016

Jun 28 @ 5:34 PM ET
To be fair, put yourself in their shoes.

I'm not disagreeing with you or saying there should be an asterisk. But I can't imagine the anger that must have caused for Preds' fans.

- jmatchett383


Of course they are angry. I would be too. However, lot of goals were waved off during the playoffs for a variety of reasons. It's part of the game, and you deal with it.
nelson911
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 02.03.2007

Jun 28 @ 5:37 PM ET
If Pens dont get Bonino or Hanzal.... i think they will pay the price to get Duchene, the market will be very weak from there on and I dont see the team being content with a lame 3LC

Just a hunch
Mr.FunFacts
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Montreal, QC
Joined: 09.20.2015

Jun 28 @ 5:39 PM ET
5v5

Most shot attempts against of any player on EDM
Most fenwick attempts, so he didn't cover much up with blocks
2nd most goals against
2nd most scoring chances against
most high danger chances against


I would probably attribute most of his "success" to Talbot/McDavid having an awesome year. Those 2 masked a lot of EDM's deficiencies in my opinion

- j.boyd919

Your right, Larsson had nothing to do with the sucess of the oiler's D this year. So would you accept Larsson for maatta strait up?
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jun 28 @ 5:45 PM ET
Your right, Larsson had nothing to do with the sucess of the oiler's D this year. So would you accept Larsson for maatta strait up?
- Mr.FunFacts

Larsson is more expensive (only by 100k), older by two years, and has a NTC kicking in much sooner. I'd rather bet that at 22 Maatta has a bounce back year away from Trevor Daley than Larson taking the next step forward when he's already towards the end of his development trajectory and entering his prime.
Mr.FunFacts
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Montreal, QC
Joined: 09.20.2015

Jun 28 @ 5:48 PM ET
Larsson is more expensive (only by 100k), older by two years, and has a NTC kicking in much sooner. I'd rather bet that at 22 Maatta has a bounce back year away from Trevor Daley than Larson taking the next step forward when he's already towards the end of his development trajectory and entering his prime.
- Victoro311

If you guy's think Maatta is better then Larsson then that's just being biased but hey to each their own.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jun 28 @ 5:54 PM ET
If you guy's think Maatta is better then Larsson then that's just being biased but hey to each their own.
- Mr.FunFacts

I did not say that at all. I think they're both top 4 guys and I'd rather gamble on the younger one getting better than taking the guy who has a NTC after next season. But I guess if you think he's a legit #1D, we're just not going to agree with each other.
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