Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBurpMcKanzie 49m49 minutes ago
Leafs are talking to Jets about a Marner-for-Trouba deal. More to come later.
- eichiefs9

This is very exciting.

So what has Lindholm done that makes him such a commodity?
Lindholm is good but lets be clear here. He is no Drew Doughty. He's not even as good as Morgan Reilley. Your dropping Gardiner down to the third pairing to make room for Lindholm. He's not a proven commodity. He is a young prospect who has shown some success in the NHL Is that really worth William Nylander? Especially with Travis Dermott coming, probably next year.... If anything, the Jake Gardiner experience should make leaf fans hesitant to go all in on a trade for a guy who has shown promise.

And sorry, but I believed Marner was the second best player in that draft. He has done nothing since to prove me wrong. He was just too small. NO way he goes for a second pairing dman.
- B-Wforever

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He is a MASSIVE improvement over Morgan Rielly. He's the best player on a (quickly fading, but still relevant) contender.

There is just as much of a guarantee on those players being top pairing D as there is on Morgan Reilly. Which is more than the guarantee of Marner/Nylander being top line forwards, not to mention top pairing D are generally more valuable than top line F.
- RonPielep

Lindholm is already a top pairing dman. He's already top 15 league wide.

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBurpMcKanzie 49m49 minutes ago
Leafs are talking to Jets about a Marner-for-Trouba deal. More to come later.
- eichiefs9

Would take Rielly. Jets don't need another young forward. We have 39485 guys who can play all 3 positions too.

First of all, no I didn't say that, either learn how to read/comprehend better or learn how to quote properly.

Secondly, the fact that you'd rather see them playing Marincin as opposed to filling the hole on D with a quality young RFA like Trouba/Lindholm is a huge red flag.

Lindholm/Trouba for Marner/Nylander makes the Leafs better today and moving forward. Adding one of those guys would be a huge addition to their D core long term. Losing one of Marner/Nylander would not create nearly the same size of hole in the top 9 F as there is plenty of quality in the system today.
- RonPielep

I don't disagree with you on your opinion of a trade making the Leafs better today.

Thing is, they don't need to be better today. I would rather them have their kids cut their teeth with the team playing how it is at present, as difficult as it is for us fan stuff to watch.

To your point these kids are still somewhat unproven commodities, why trade them away when you aren't even sure what you're trading?

If anything I see Toronto making more of a play for an available D-man either at the deadline or during the off season. A guy like JVR may be what a team like Anaheim thinks may get them over the hump for a Stanley Cup run. If a guy like Lindholm or Fowler is not signed and available then they may be more willing to part with one of them in a package deal.

Leafs need to grow and develop, the kids need to learn how to lose before they taste success.

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBurpMcKanzie 49m49 minutes ago
Leafs are talking to Jets about a Marner-for-Trouba deal. More to come later.
- eichiefs9

That would be a disaster even if Trouba is a great young defender and that's what Toronto may need. I may be overly high on Marner (always have been) but I think he could be be one of the most explosive players in the league a la Patrick Kane in a few years.

Would take Rielly. Jets don't need another young forward. We have 39485 guys who can play all 3 positions too.
- Rexypoo

Is that the Manitoba rec league?

Is that the Manitoba rec league?
- mlindsay

A ya that's not happening Reilly way better you're stuck with a guy who doesn't want to play for your team, good luck with that

Is that the Manitoba rec league?
- mlindsay

Seems like it at the moment. But no. The following Jets have spent time at center: Scheifele, Little, Perreault, Matthias, Dano, Copp, Lowry, Burmistrov, De Leo, Petan, Roslovic, and Thorburn.

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He is a MASSIVE improvement over Morgan Rielly. He's the best player on a (quickly fading, but still relevant) contender.
- Rexypoo

Lindholm is already a top pairing dman. He's already top 15 league wide.
- Rexypoo

I like that you're touting Lindholm, but both of those statements are false. First are we gonna pretend Getzlaf and Perry aren't on the same team? Ask any of the teams in the league who they would take, 10, 15, or 47, and Lindholm comes in 3rd 29 straight times. And second, Lindholm has never played on the first pairing, so to say he's already top 15 is nuts.

Malkin is toronto bound since 2013
- Alexzanki

You dont touch the very young core of Mathews (obviously), Nylander and especially Marner; why this name is in any trade discussion is beyond me. The kid dominated last year in jr and your are going to trade him now? Nylander they've put in time to develop, its time to see what he turns into. Pain didnt mean 1 season. This one is gonna hurt too.

IMO you look at the likes of JVR, Bozzak and even Kadri. That bum should not have been signed IMO. Never liked him and dont understand why everyone does. He needs a change of sceenery and that would be 1 guy I would dangle in a package for help now, only to not burn out Riley.

They should have kept Reims. I seldom care what Cherry says but he is bang on with this one. Anderson has flashes of brilliance, and other times he seems asleep at the wheel.

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBurpMcKanzie 49m49 minutes ago
Leafs are talking to Jets about a Marner-for-Trouba deal. More to come later.
- eichiefs9

Hilarious.

But changing gears, Tavares signing in Toronto is a done deal, amirite?

If Lou was not in Toronto, rumors like these might have wings. Given the fact that he is, no way this is real.

Cant comment on Lindhold, but if he really is that good, the one thing any team doesnt want to become, is the Oilers from the past 10 or so years, defensively speaking. So a trade might make sense.

At the same time, Toronto cant afford to do a Hall for Larsson trade, from Oilers' perspective, so they need to be careful. Organization isnt brimming to the top with 1st line prospects like the Oilers' is/was.

If Lou was not in Toronto, rumors like these might have wings. Given the fact that he is, no way this is real.

Cant comment on Lindhold, but if he really is that good, the one thing any team doesnt want to become, is the Oilers from the past 10 or so years, defensively speaking. So a trade might make sense.

At the same time, Toronto cant afford to do a Hall for Larsson trade, from Oilers' perspective, so they need to be careful. Organization isnt brimming to the top with 1st line prospects like the Oilers' is/was.
- Buggy166

Thank you.

I like that you're touting Lindholm, but both of those statements are false. First are we gonna pretend Getzlaf and Perry aren't on the same team? Ask any of the teams in the league who they would take, 10, 15, or 47, and Lindholm comes in 3rd 29 straight times. And second, Lindholm has never played on the first pairing, so to say he's already top 15 is nuts.
- gtrman09

I see no reason he isn't. Getzlaf and Perry aren't getting any younger and have noticeably declined over the last few years (still top tier guys for sure. But not elite). Lindholm has put up insane numbers, better than any other Ducks dman, and is the youngest of the group. I would take him 10 times outta 9.

I had to edit this ten times just to make it coherent. My new phone doesn't like me or my stupid face/opinion. Also, I am totally a Lindholm fanboy. Want Trouba?

I see no reason he isn't. Getzlaf and Perry aren't getting any younger and have noticeably declined over the last few years (still top tier guys for sure. But not elite). Lindholm has put up insane numbers, better than any other Ducks dman, and is the youngest of the group. I would take him 10 times outta 9.

I had to edit this ten times just to make it coherent. My new phone doesn't like me or my stupid face/opinion. Also, I am totally a Lindholm fanboy. Want Trouba?
- Rexypoo

Lindholm is/will be greater than getzlaf and Perry in 3 years. Let the quack fan think what he wants.

FWIW, No I don't think getzlaf or Perry are bad. They're actually still very good. But I'll take the young top 2 D man over the forwards any day.

I don't disagree with you on your opinion of a trade making the Leafs better today.

Thing is, they don't need to be better today. I would rather them have their kids cut their teeth with the team playing how it is at present, as difficult as it is for us fan stuff to watch.

To your point these kids are still somewhat unproven commodities, why trade them away when you aren't even sure what you're trading?

If anything I see Toronto making more of a play for an available D-man either at the deadline or during the off season. A guy like JVR may be what a team like Anaheim thinks may get them over the hump for a Stanley Cup run. If a guy like Lindholm or Fowler is not signed and available then they may be more willing to part with one of them in a package deal.

Leafs need to grow and develop, the kids need to learn how to lose before they taste success.
- Kinger34

You seem so focused on how Lindholm would improve the team today that you are completely blind to the fact that trading for him now makes them better for the next 8 years at least. If the Leafs acquire him it's not because they care about this year's team. There is no chance in hell you can get him 2-3 years from now (prolly no chance you can even get him now) but you think they should wait. If Bob Murray had said he wanted Marner for Lindholm, the trade would already have been made. DucksNPucks has a nice screen shot of a Bob Murray email where he says that anyone who says the Ducks are considering trading Lindholm is "full of shot, and they should be held accountable."

Would take Rielly. Jets don't need another young forward. We have 39485 guys who can play all 3 positions too.
- Rexypoo

Laughable - a malcontent 9th overall pick that isn't in Winnipeg's top four and was the 7th defenseman taken in 2012 - Jet's dreaming fans would like to get Marner, throw in Matthews and even Reilly. How about Pollack and a 7th? We'll throw in Marner's jock strap - the first overall from 12 just got traded for a 3rd and a bag of peanuts.

Yeah . This whole thing smells of winnapeg tring to get Lindholm . We'll see see if the ducks or leafs bite on it . I mean honestly . The ducks wouldn't trade lindholm straight up for trouba . Then would the leafs trade marner straight up for trouba . And the leafs are foward heavy . And its true that good dmen that you can trade for don't came around every day . But when i look at the leafs, they still don't have the prospect depth to start making trades . Maybe one or two more drafts . But i can see the leafs overpaying shattenkirk next year . Maybe 7million for 8 years . And then leafs fans are gonna wish they traded for trouba or lindholm

How is Toronto going after all these high dollar $4m - $6m players with only $350k under the cap?

How is Toronto going after all these high dollar $4m - $6m players with only $350k under the cap?
- brick1960

This beautiful thing called Long Term Injured Reserve

How is Toronto going after all these high dollar $4m - $6m players with only $350k under the cap?
- brick1960

LTIR

Yeah . This whole thing smells of winnapeg tring to get Lindholm . We'll see see if the ducks or leafs bite on it . I mean honestly . The ducks wouldn't trade lindholm straight up for trouba . Then would the leafs trade marner straight up for trouba . And the leafs are foward heavy . And its true that good dmen that you can trade for don't came around every day . But when i look at the leafs, they still don't have the prospect depth to start making trades . Maybe one or two more drafts . But i can see the leafs overpaying shattenkirk next year . Maybe 7million for 8 years . And then leafs fans are gonna wish they traded for trouba or lindholm
- Eman87654

What a conundrum

What a conundrum
- walshyleafsfan

Wrapped in an enigma