Wow, bud. I told you to calm down because you're getting super uptight about a rumor site, and you pull out some sexism BS? Don't compare me to some poopty narrative you've constructed in your head. Take a walk, pal. You're done here.
- JRoenick97

But I wasn't freaking out. Nor said anything out of line. It was something you created all in your head to drive your narrative. That was the point

Done here, Cause you said ??

Delusions of grandeur

I am buying the Hawks and Pens having a discussion around Malkin. For $$$ reasons, I'm very skeptical about a deal getting done.

The main takeaway IMO is that the Hawks are AGRESSIVELY exploring all opportunities to improve their roster as this team was very pedestrian in the 5v5 game.

And while the Hawks are certainly one of many with their balls in a salad shooter with the salary cap, they have several ASSETS that other teams covet. What remains to be seen is "at what price?".
- phantasmo

I could see them wanting to move Kane and his salary to make themselves more flexible in the future and taking on Malkin's salary would save them about $4 mil a year there, but this would have to be a three-way trade to send Kane anywhere but Pittsburgh who can't afford him. The Pens would have to get an adequate replacement at center in the deal (Anisimov at minimum) plus a very high pick(s) or a good but salary manageable top 6 winger.

If there's is any truth to this rumor/tire kicking it would have to be a big complicated deal between more than just the Hawks and Pens.

Interesting for sure. Seems like Zatkoff got them past the Rangers and them they had Murray take most of the workload after that. Thought Murray played great. Liked Malkin's game too during the cup run.
- 93Joe

HELL NO.

Zatkoff had one decent game, then laid a goose egg. Murray should be getting credit for that

If this expansion draft weren't in the very near future, they wouldn't be trading MAF. I'm nervous as hell that Murray will have growing pains next year.
- madmike71

I would hold off trading MAF at least till next years deadline. Make's no sence to deal MAF now. I mean we all did see the team in front of Murray right? I don't take anything from the guy but im pretty sure they win even with MAF in net.

During his NHL career, Enroth has played

50 games with two teams in 2014-2015

28 games in 2013-2014

26 games in 2011-12

16 games in 2015-16

You trade a STARTING Golaie and replace him with ?
- wiz1901

Hey Wiz,

What do you think if the Hawks moved Crawford and picked up a guy like Montoya? He could be a good guy to split/back up Darling.

That's what I've been trying to express to the Hawks fans. Ruth is toooooo honest when talking about personnel. It's very strange for a GM these days to be so....well....honest.
- madmike71

Maybe the only GM like that.

HELL NO.

Zatkoff had one decent game, then laid a goose egg. Murray should be getting credit for that
- DeflatedPucks

It was a while ago. I don't remember everything from that series. My mistake sir.

So Crow for a first (lose 6 million there)

Kooga + AA for Malkin is only about a millionish in more salary.

They will have ample room to add some bodies this year and they should have some dollars to throw some money at Panarin as long as they don't tie their own hands. Shoot, how bad does Nielsen want to win a Cup...

Jeez. That would ruin everyone's day in the western conference.

During his NHL career, Enroth has played

50 games with two teams in 2014-2015

28 games in 2013-2014

26 games in 2011-12

16 games in 2015-16

You trade a STARTING Golaie and replace him with ?
- wiz1901

Welcome to the cap world. Enroth as been successful on good teams, and is just entering his prime. Getting him for around 2-3M a year allows the Hawks to spend that money elsewhere.

Maybe the only GM like that.
- lloyd095

Another GM who always tells the truth:

From a current piece on tsn.com (Frank Seravalli)

"Can the Oilers find a top-four defenceman?

Despite the rhetoric from Avalanche GM Joe Sakic, there is belief the Oilers have not given up on the possibility of prying Tyson Barrie out of Colorado. Barrie, a 24-year-old restricted free agent, is exactly what the Oilers need in a right-shooting, puck-moving blue liner

Sakic told the Denver Post last week “either way [Barrie] will be here” when the season opens in October, whether through arbitration or a new long-term deal, but he also said the same thing last summer when talking about Ryan O’Reilly. Sakic said on June 18, 2015 that O’Reilly was the team’s “first priority” and the goal was to get a long-term deal done before the start of training camp. O’Reilly was traded to Buffalo eight days later, on the eve of the draft."


I don't doubt that Rutherford is forthright.

I do know of trades and situations involving him in CAR that were not made public til very late.

I also suspect if they were talking about Malkin it's not something he's comfortable going out with right now. Because of the kind of reaction this engendered yesterday.

Greiss for Shaw..??
- Ur Not Me

Nope. Besides, the Isles dont need Shaw, they need ANY top winger for JT.

Keith and Panarin for Malkin?

I would not even give them Keith straight up. WTF are people smoking?

Time to give JJ a break and let him do his job....get a life people.

It's rumors, hello! You’re' dealing with maybe’s, innuendo's and people trying to save face and get the best deal etc.....soooo that makes it a very volatile, secretive type of information and not an exact science.

It you want 100% accuracy don't troll on rumor blogs!

Until then enjoy the show and keep doing what your doing JJ....always fun to read.

Kooga + AA for Malkin is only about a millionish in more salary.
- fattybeef

I don't see the Pens needing two centers in a deal for Malkin, just one very good one and some other piece(s). They already have Bonino who's not leaving that HBK line and Fehr and possibly Sundqvist at some point to round out the 4th line. Adding another (relatively) expensive 3rd or 4th line center makes no sense from the Pens side of things.

While I won't disagree that a conversation may have been had, I don't see any way it could have been substantive in light of Chi not having the pieces to entice Pitt to trade Malkin. I would struggle to come up with any package that would suffice.

The phone call was likely (if it happened) kicking tires in the hopes/prayers Malkin would be interested but Ruth isn't dumping him to Chicago to make him happy...

While I won't disagree that a conversation may have been had, I don't see any way it could have been substantive in light of Chi not having the pieces to entice Pitt to trade Malkin. I would struggle to come up with any package that would suffice.

The phone call was likely (if it happened) kicking tires in the hopes/prayers Malkin would be interested but Ruth isn't dumping him to Chicago to make him happy...
- iworkatinitech

Probably, most likely, THIS.

Time to give JJ a break and let him do his job....get a life people.

It's rumors, hello! You’re' dealing with maybe’s, innuendo's and people trying to save face and get the best deal etc.....soooo that makes it a very volatile, secretive type of information and not an exact science.

It you want 100% accuracy don't troll on rumor blogs!

Until then enjoy the show and keep doing what your doing JJ....always fun to read.
- Hawkster

JJ's the victim here? Huh?
Holy confirmation bias

Who's argued that they only want 100% facts? There'd be no website cause they don't have facts! The entire industry is predicated on this.
Did u read the blog?

What responder has suggested the rumour game isn't maybes, innuendos, secrets, guesses, and is anywhere near an exact science ?

The contention here is the opposite bro. It's when these supposed 'insiders' start claiming as something MORE than that. And then attempt to use that innuendo and vague plausibilities as more than what they are.
No insult intended, but I think you've misunderstood the back and forth here

I don't doubt that Rutherford is forthright.

I do know of trades and situations involving him in CAR that were not made public til very late.

I also suspect if they were talking about Malkin it's not something he's comfortable going out with right now. Because of the kind of reaction this engendered yesterday.
- John Jaeckel

Made public until very late is one thing, but I don't see him saying something as boldly black and white as he did about the Malkin rumor and then possibly flip-flopping on it days later. If things had transpired to some degree involving a Malkin trade he could have easily found better words to describe it as to not leave himself looking like a complete hypocritical and 100% liar if something did eventually happen.

The ole 'youre freaking out' to attempt to marginalize and irrationalize ones response.
Men do this nonsense all the time to women.

Anyways, no ones ranting per se or upset or freaking out. Simple disagreement where I think his logic is deeply flawed.

And the blog was sorta deeper than how you saw it imo.
Aside from the fact that sites and sources all feed off each other, so hearing something multiple times is pretty par for the course and doesn't lend much more validity to it (which is proven) I think the blog was more about defending his ideas.
While really only using anecdotal evidence, exaggeration and even trying to marginalize bob Mackenzies thoughts. And let's not even get into attempting to discredit the actual gms words while propping his own up. Which was another point of contention with His ridiculous assertion that gms lies being exposed is somehow in the same stratosphere as disproven rumours from supposed insiders

And again, despite there being not an ounce of verifiable fact (quite the opposite as those in the scenario said no) all it takes it some plausible logic to throw sh1t against the wall

I think the rumour industry seems to be fundamental misunderstood by the vast majority. And this is probably exactly what guys like eklund count on.
The entire logistics of knowing everything gms do is just silly after one does a little critical thinking
- Ihateallofu

Here is the problem though. YOU come off like you know how rumors work. And you're in position to slam everyone who works on them.

I can provide a list of about ten or more rumors I've broken that have panned out. That isn't by divine providence either. It is through cultivating good sources, weeding out the bad ones, double-checking, and being as honest and responsible as you can be while protecting sources.

I want to know where the rumors are you've broken that give you license to comment on how the process works, why it's all made up bs, etc?

Literally, are you "thehockeygod" under an alt. screen name, because this whole finger-pointing (and lets' facet, trolling) and not seeing your own contradiction seems eerily familiar.

Pens' fan here.

There is no reasonable hockey reason to trade Malkin. If the Pens trade Malkin, it would happen for non-hockey reasons. So....

Made public until very late is one thing, but I don't see him saying something as boldly black and white as he did about the Malkin rumor and then possibly flip-flopping on it days later. If things had transpired to some degree involving a Malkin trade he could have easily found better words to describe it as to not leave himself looking like a complete hypocritical and 100% liar if something did eventually happen.
- NJPensfan

Yeah, I don't know. I can assure you, based on all the bs I've dealt with on Twitter the last 20 hours or so, he would have reason to keep it on the down low. Cheers.

JJ's the victim here? Huh?
Holy confirmation bias

Who's argued that they only want 100% facts? There'd be no website cause they don't have facts! The entire industry is predicated on this.
Did u read the blog?

What responder has suggested the rumour game isn't maybes, innuendos, secrets, guesses, and is anywhere near an exact science ?

The contention here is the opposite bro. It's when these supposed 'insiders' start claiming as something MORE than that. And then attempt to use that innuendo and vague plausibilities as more than what they are.
No insult intended, but I think you've misunderstood the back and forth here
- Ihateallofu

I believe it's time for you to show yourself out. Otherwise, I'll be happy to do it for you.

Another GM who always tells the truth:

From a current piece on tsn.com (Frank Seravalli)

"Can the Oilers find a top-four defenceman?

Despite the rhetoric from Avalanche GM Joe Sakic, there is belief the Oilers have not given up on the possibility of prying Tyson Barrie out of Colorado. Barrie, a 24-year-old restricted free agent, is exactly what the Oilers need in a right-shooting, puck-moving blue liner

Sakic told the Denver Post last week “either way
- John Jaeckel[Barrie] will be here” when the season opens in October, whether through arbitration or a new long-term deal, but he also said the same thing last summer when talking about Ryan O’Reilly. Sakic said on June 18, 2015 that O’Reilly was the team’s “first priority” and the goal was to get a long-term deal done before the start of training camp. O’Reilly was traded to Buffalo eight days later, on the eve of the draft."


I don't doubt that Rutherford is forthright.

I do know of trades and situations involving him in CAR that were not made public til very late.

I also suspect if they were talking about Malkin it's not something he's comfortable going out with right now. Because of the kind of reaction this engendered yesterday.

So the story from servalli here is guesswork. What point are you trying to make here?

Sakics said his priority was to sign oreilly. I don't see the trade as some sort of proof of a lie.
What point do you think you've proven here ?


Should I post 59 avs rumours that never took place as a retort now?


Also, maybe we're missing something here. Am I meant to post a thousand rumours from sites that never happened? Is that response needed?

You surely can't still be claiming that the two scenarios are anywhere even close ?

I believe it's time for you to show yourself out. Otherwise, I'll be happy to do it for you.
- EKB13

We're having a rational debate here

Theres no insults or swearing or whatever, even if you feel the intrinsic need to defend home team/writer

Please see yourself out of our hockey related debate. It's not a challenge. Just saying your presence here isn't required

Yeah, I don't know. I can assure you, based on all the bs I've dealt with on Twitter the last 20 hours or so, he would have reason to keep it on the down low. Cheers.
- John Jaeckel

Down low is saying you might have smoked it but did not inhale. JR basically said not only did he never smoke it, but he's never been in the room with anyone who has and wouldn't know what it looked like if you showed it to him.