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Marlowe
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wild Wild West, IL
Joined: 06.29.2014

Jun 22 @ 3:23 PM ET
@ChrisKuc just tweeted (more smoke for the fire): Source says Brian Campbell has serious interest in returning to #Blackhawks. Defenseman would have to agree to discounted contract.

Would love to see Soupy back at a discount -- provided Q will deploy him...
the_dough_boy
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 07.01.2012

Jun 22 @ 3:24 PM ET
Then what happens when we have to re-up 72?
- tyweb69


cross the bridge before we come to it. I'm a fan of a sweater not a player, if a championship means sacrifice okay. I think that team would have a better chance at winning a cup than the other posters "no additions" line up. But hey, im some rando 20 something with too much time on his hands on a tuesday.
z1990z
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: NW USA
Joined: 02.09.2012

Jun 22 @ 3:25 PM ET
@ChrisKuc just tweeted (more smoke for the fire): Source says Brian Campbell has serious interest in returning to #Blackhawks. Defenseman would have to agree to discounted contract.

Would love to see Soupy back at a discount -- provided Q will deploy him...

- Marlowe



And why not. Soup has made a ton-O-$$$ in his career. Why not take a shot at another Cup.
93Joe
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.09.2015

Jun 22 @ 3:27 PM ET
@ChrisKuc just tweeted (more smoke for the fire): Source says Brian Campbell has serious interest in returning to #Blackhawks. Defenseman would have to agree to discounted contract.

Would love to see Soupy back at a discount -- provided Q will deploy him...

- Marlowe

I can see him returning to Chicago. Helps D core for sure.
the_dough_boy
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 07.01.2012

Jun 22 @ 3:27 PM ET
In regards to the core and how important Shaw is to this team.. I would totally understand Shaw leaving to get his big payday. That guy is like movie material stuff. Gets passed over in the draft what, twice? End up with the Hawks. Comes up from Rockford to be a vital part of two Cup winning teams. Thats good stuff.
He plays the game at 150 mph and is an emotional fire plug. Go get paid Mr. Shaw before your body wears out. You will always have a fan here.

- z1990z


100% agreed. I love shaw as a player, and if I could I'd have 3 of him on the hawks, but the guy could get hurt at any moment. with how he plays its a lot more likely.

He should/will get paid, and unfortunately that might not be on the hawks. Like JJ iterated in the last blog, it comes down to dollar and cents in the end.
spudrock512
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IA
Joined: 08.20.2014

Jun 22 @ 3:34 PM ET
Does Soupy and his wife still have their place in Chicago? If so, I would like it if they could get him for 1 - 1.5 M. Would he take that little? If he does, I think they could package Svedberg in a deal. Maybe with Shaw or Crawford to get a better player or pick in return (not that Svedberg is that big of sweetner for a trade).
Lido_Shuffle
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.10.2012

Jun 22 @ 3:35 PM ET
I can see him returning to Chicago. Helps D core for sure.
- 93Joe


I would love to see Soupy back too. I think between him, TVR, and Kempny, the overall team D would be pretty darn good.

Hopefully Q will remember when Campbell came back in Game 4 against Nashville (2010) in the first round, and the Hawks closed out that series with three straight wins upon his return.
SimpleJack
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago , IL
Joined: 05.23.2013

Jun 22 @ 3:37 PM ET
I would love to see Soupy back too. I think between him, TVR, and Kempny, the overall team D would be pretty darn good.

Hopefully Q will remember when Campbell came back in Game 4 against Nashville in the first round, and the Hawks closed out that series with three straight wins upon his return.

- Lido_Shuffle


I think a D group of Keith, Seabs, Hammer, Campbell, TVR, and Kempny would be outstanding. Major improvement from the past 2 seasons.
EKB13
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.18.2009

Jun 22 @ 3:37 PM ET
Does Soupy and his wife still have their place in Chicago?
- spudrock512


I believe so.
bhawks2241
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.17.2013

Jun 22 @ 3:38 PM ET
Does Soupy and his wife still have their place in Chicago? If so, I would like it if they could get him for 1 - 1.5 M. Would he take that little? If he does, I think they could package Svedberg in a deal. Maybe with Shaw or Crawford to get a better player or pick in return (not that Svedberg is that big of sweetner for a trade).
- spudrock512


Thought they sold it. At least the one in Lincoln Park. Could be wrong though.
TommyHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.23.2013

Jun 22 @ 3:39 PM ET
I know this is a Hawks/hockey forum and not a Bulls/basketball one, but I'm curious:

If Toews/Kane got SERIOUSLY hurt (maybe a couple times), and missed a lot of time, weren't healthy, and definitely not the players they used to be when they returned...

Would we throw them under the bus the way the Bulls, media, and fans did to Rose? They constantly berated him for missing time due to injury. Fans wanted him traded, and towards the end of this season the media did too. He allegedly bumped heads on occasion with another star on the team (Butler). Towards the end of his time here in Chicago he was looked upon more like a villain rather than a hero.

Derrick was a hometown kid, won an MVP, and brought Bulls basketball back to relevancy for the first time since the Jordan days. He made a huge mark here in Chicago, but will be remembered for his injuries/missed games/failing in the playoffs.

I know Toews and Kane helped guide the 'Hawks to three cups, but I actually wonder/am concerned about the possibility should something devastating happen to either of them. Especially considering how much cap space their contracts take up/duration.
MartiniMan
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Santa Fe, NM
Joined: 10.01.2006

Jun 22 @ 3:41 PM ET
Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun 3m3 minutes ago
Milan Lucic via text message says he's headed to UFA market. No deal with Kings. Huge, huge name headed to July 1.

Lombardi losing a lot of gambles lately. Gave up a lot for 1 year of Lucic and a 1st round exit

Pair with the Sekera disaster, he traded away a small fortune for one playoff miss and one 1st round exit

- hawkeytalkman


Not to worry, he still has six more years of Dustin Brown at $5.875M.
Marlowe
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wild Wild West, IL
Joined: 06.29.2014

Jun 22 @ 3:41 PM ET
Thought they sold it. At least the one in Lincoln Park. Could be wrong though.
- bhawks2241

At the very least Soupy's wife is from Chicago so there are still a lot of friends and family. IIRC they were up here last summer around the time of the cup run when she had another baby and he was doing spot duty at the announcers table for CSN (but I could have my deep runs into the playoffs confused)
Hawkeyes1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Evanston, IL
Joined: 06.14.2015

Jun 22 @ 3:44 PM ET
I know this is a Hawks/hockey forum and not a Bulls/basketball one, but I'm curious:

If Toews/Kane got SERIOUSLY hurt (maybe a couple times), and missed a lot of time, weren't healthy, and definitely not the players they used to be when they returned...

Would we throw them under the bus the way the Bulls, media, and fans did to Rose? They constantly berated him for missing time due to injury. Fans wanted him traded, and towards the end of this season the media did too. He allegedly bumped heads on occasion with another star on the team (Butler). Towards the end of his time here in Chicago he was looked upon more like a villain rather than a hero.

Derrick was a hometown kid, won an MVP, and brought Bulls basketball back to relevancy for the first time since the Jordan days. He made a huge mark here in Chicago, but will be remembered for his injuries/missed games/failing in the playoffs.

I know Toews and Kane helped guide the 'Hawks to three cups, but I actually wonder/am concerned about the possibility should something devastating happen to either of them. Especially considering how much cap space their contracts take up/duration.

- TommyHawk


I think the reason everyone threw Rose under the bus was because he was tactless with the media. He said some weird wtf poop that Kane/Toews wouldnt say. I don't think the villain aspect would crossover with someone else in similar circumstance. I also think had Rose had some actual professionals helping him and not his brother who doesnt know what PR stands for, he would be perceived alot differently.
spudrock512
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IA
Joined: 08.20.2014

Jun 22 @ 3:47 PM ET
I know this is a Hawks/hockey forum and not a Bulls/basketball one, but I'm curious:

If Toews/Kane got SERIOUSLY hurt (maybe a couple times), and missed a lot of time, weren't healthy, and definitely not the players they used to be when they returned...

Would we throw them under the bus the way the Bulls, media, and fans did to Rose? They constantly berated him for missing time due to injury. Fans wanted him traded, and towards the end of this season the media did too. He allegedly bumped heads on occasion with another star on the team (Butler). Towards the end of his time here in Chicago he was looked upon more like a villain rather than a hero.

Derrick was a hometown kid, won an MVP, and brought Bulls basketball back to relevancy for the first time since the Jordan days. He made a huge mark here in Chicago, but will be remembered for his injuries/missed games/failing in the playoffs.

I know Toews and Kane helped guide the 'Hawks to three cups, but I actually wonder/am concerned about the possibility should something devastating happen to either of them. Especially considering how much cap space their contracts take up/duration.

- TommyHawk


First, let me state that I hate the NBA today and I don't follow it like I used to (kind of weird since the NBA was probably my favorite sport to watch in the 80s and early 90s). I think the problem people had with Rose was the games he would sit out when he was ok to play. And after his first knee injury, he seemed scared to play. He has never been the same player once he got hurt. But again, it wasn't necessary the injuries, the was the games he could have played and didn't that made the fans upset.

Could you imagine Toews or Keith saying they weren't going to play because they were a little sore from playing the previous game or they didn't feel 100%? If that started happening, then I do think the fans would start to turn on the players.
TommyHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.23.2013

Jun 22 @ 3:48 PM ET
I think the reason everyone threw Rose under the bus was because he was tactless with the media. He said some weird wtf s**t that Kane/Toews wouldnt say. I don't think the villain aspect would crossover with someone else in similar circumstance. I also think had Rose had some actual professionals helping him and not his brother who doesnt know what PR stands for, he would be perceived alot differently.
- Hawkeyes1

Good point. Not to mention that his brother often leaked negative press as well.

I agree that Rose handled the media rather poorly, especially when he went silent during stretches of his injuries, but I don't solely blame him for what has transpired over the past three or so seasons.

It was almost as if people WANTED him to fail because they knew he wouldn't return to being the same player. That's what I don't understand.
SimpleJack
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago , IL
Joined: 05.23.2013

Jun 22 @ 3:49 PM ET
I know this is a Hawks/hockey forum and not a Bulls/basketball one, but I'm curious:

If Toews/Kane got SERIOUSLY hurt (maybe a couple times), and missed a lot of time, weren't healthy, and definitely not the players they used to be when they returned...

Would we throw them under the bus the way the Bulls, media, and fans did to Rose? They constantly berated him for missing time due to injury. Fans wanted him traded, and towards the end of this season the media did too. He allegedly bumped heads on occasion with another star on the team (Butler). Towards the end of his time here in Chicago he was looked upon more like a villain rather than a hero.

Derrick was a hometown kid, won an MVP, and brought Bulls basketball back to relevancy for the first time since the Jordan days. He made a huge mark here in Chicago, but will be remembered for his injuries/missed games/failing in the playoffs.

I know Toews and Kane helped guide the 'Hawks to three cups, but I actually wonder/am concerned about the possibility should something devastating happen to either of them. Especially considering how much cap space their contracts take up/duration.

- TommyHawk


I think it all comes down to how poorly he played when he returned from his injuries(also didn't help that at the same time the other young, up and coming freak talent at PG Russell Westbrook had multiple serious injuries and yet returned the same caliber player if not better after his recovery).

Had Rose returned the same MVP caliber player that he was, i don't think anyone would seem upset at him for missing games/getting injured, definitely don't think anyone in the media or anywhere else would talk about trading him. He would be the Bulls best player and the face of the team. His play went south BIG TIME, and though he made the playoffs in his career he never won anything to warrant any sort of hall pass for unfortunately becoming a poor basketball player. Its a business, and he became a horrible contract. Gotta move on and show no remorse. Not like Toews/Kane at all. Those guys have earned HOF all time great Hawk labels already.
JRoenick97
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Spokane, WA
Joined: 07.20.2012

Jun 22 @ 3:51 PM ET
Thought they sold it. At least the one in Lincoln Park. Could be wrong though.
- bhawks2241

According to this: http://www.chicagotribune...eturn-20160622-story.html, They still live in Chicago over summer.
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

Jun 22 @ 3:52 PM ET
In regards to the core and how important Shaw is to this team.. I would totally understand Shaw leaving to get his big payday. That guy is like movie material stuff. Gets passed over in the draft what, twice? End up with the Hawks. Comes up from Rockford to be a vital part of two Cup winning teams. Thats good stuff.
He plays the game at 150 mph and is an emotional fire plug. Go get paid Mr. Shaw before your body wears out. You will always have a fan here.

- z1990z


It's really an interesting dilemma with Shaw as a RFA. I'd suspect the Blackhawks at a minimum give him a qualifying offer. It gets more complex from there, trade him, sign him, wait in an offer sheet, who knows.
phantasmo
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 01.13.2016

Jun 22 @ 3:53 PM ET
@ChrisKuc just tweeted (more smoke for the fire): Source says Brian Campbell has serious interest in returning to #Blackhawks. Defenseman would have to agree to discounted contract.

Would love to see Soupy back at a discount -- p
rovided Q will deploy him...

- Marlowe



Let me re-rank dominos for roster movements for Hawks:

- Deal Bicks/TT
- Salary Cap of $73M released
- Deal Shaw's RFA rights
- Resign Rosi, sign Campbell
- Deal away salary for?????
JRoenick97
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Spokane, WA
Joined: 07.20.2012

Jun 22 @ 3:54 PM ET
Let me re-rank dominos for roster movements for Hawks:

- Deal Bicks/TT
- Salary Cap of $73M released
- Deal Shaw's RFA rights
- Resign Rosi, sign Campbell
- Deal away salary for?????

- phantasmo


No thank you.
Hawkeyes1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Evanston, IL
Joined: 06.14.2015

Jun 22 @ 3:56 PM ET
Good point. Not to mention that his brother often leaked negative press as well.

I agree that Rose handled the media rather poorly, especially when he went silent during stretches of his injuries, but I don't solely blame him for what has transpired over the past three or so seasons.

It was almost as if people WANTED him to fail because they knew he wouldn't return to being the same player. That's what I don't understand.

- TommyHawk


Yeah, I agree with that. From a 'Chicago Sports' perspective. Derrick Rose is a tragedy. And I think his handling of his situation during his lengthy downfall together with everyones gloom at this homegrown unstoppable MVP led to alot of unfair resentment
DK002
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Evanston, IL
Joined: 06.12.2012

Jun 22 @ 3:57 PM ET
@ChrisKuc just tweeted (more smoke for the fire): Source says Brian Campbell has serious interest in returning to #Blackhawks. Defenseman would have to agree to discounted contract.

Would love to see Soupy back at a discount -- provided Q will deploy him...

- Marlowe



I think this would be a real nice depth move for the backend of the defense. Especially when you look at how lost they were after the top 3 last year. Thought TVR played well but was counted on too much in his first full season.
Lido_Shuffle
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.10.2012

Jun 22 @ 3:58 PM ET
Good point. Not to mention that his brother often leaked negative press as well.

I agree that Rose handled the media rather poorly, especially when he went silent during stretches of his injuries, but I don't solely blame him for what has transpired over the past three or so seasons.

It was almost as if people WANTED him to fail because they knew he wouldn't return to being the same player. That's what I don't understand.

- TommyHawk


I'm not a B ball fan but didn't fans lose respect fro Rose after he was medically cleared to play but refused? I think he took another 2-3 months off??
Hank_Greenberg
Joined: 09.30.2015

Jun 22 @ 3:59 PM ET
Wideman has fallen out of favor over there. Maybe a move to the Windy City could invigorate him. Provided CGY retains like 50% of his salary. Does he still have anything left? I haven't watched him enough.
- JRoenick97


His backcheck on that official was pretty good ....

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