Why?
- Mr Ricochet

Because it was signed after the new CBA same out restricting the cap circumvention stuff.

Two 2nd rounders, prospects, F Mikael Backlund (salary is around $3.5M?) I might have been off on the cap savings.
- 93Joe

Getting someone back like Backlund is doable along with the picks. If that were the case, it frees money to keep Shaw.

Splitting hairs, perhaps nitpicking, possibly angels in the head of a pin, but how can you "fine" an entity for an act that was 100% legal (in accordance with the CBA) at the time - and so judged by the same league that is now fining if?

This is a recapture penalty, legally (if unfairly) instituted in a new CBA.

Either way, it certainly has the potential to screw up future Blackhawk plans.
- StLBravesFan

I wish I knew. The league and GMs voted it in though.

Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun 3m3 minutes ago
Milan Lucic via text message says he's headed to UFA market. No deal with Kings. Huge, huge name headed to July 1.

Lombardi losing a lot of gambles lately. Gave up a lot for 1 year of Lucic and a 1st round exit

Pair with the Sekera disaster, he traded away a small fortune for one playoff miss and one 1st round exit

I could pose the reverse question to you and ask: isn't what you're saying an assumption too? These are all rumors. Mine was an assumption too; never said it wasn't. Nobody knows. Not even the rumors.

He's reiterated numerous times he is happy and wants to stay. This has been the case every offseason. Him and Sid are also best friends. He is being paid well.

And the Russian/English barrier was a joke. Guys like Larinov and Federov have lasted decades here. I just don't understand the misplaced logic: "if you're a Russian nhl player, you would be willing to leave to Russia at a moment's notice"
- DeflatedPucks

And this is the point that seems to be the most contradictory -- clearly he wants to be there-- and Pens fans can site the times he is on the record as saying such--

And that is the most insidious part of the rumor--- that in essence Malkin has asked for a trade because he is unhappy in Pitt-- I call BS on that part of it-- as well as the 'teams' that he said he would waive to--

FFS let them enjoy the Cup win and victory lap!!

BUT I think we would all probably be shocked to hear about which players some GM's talk about-- and WHY they may talk about them-- we just won't know about those private conversations-- and if every time they 'talked' about players the rumor mill exploded--

I remember when Joe Thornton told Doug Wilson to "shut his mouth...and stop lying." good 'ol days

Then why didn't they - especially Daley - do that here? Q's fault? I guess - ok - maybe -

But Daley (and Weise) never fit into what Q wanted of them. At some point, the players have to take some of the responsibility for not performing.
- StLBravesFan

So Daley didn't take responsibility for his play in Chicago but did in PITT?

They all looked fine before, during and Daley after the Hawks.

It's been beat to death and besides saying I liked the move for Daley the day it was made and the day he was chased and was one 3 who stood by it. Liked Daley before the move, like him today and will like his tomorrow. ...If the eye test and results in PITT don't bring one to say the guy can play we see the sport differently. If Q, and any fan, would want Gus and Runblad as a 3rd pairing in a game 7 instead of Daley, well you got what you wanted.

Quite frankly to argue otherwise IMO is defending the indefensible concerning Daley v Q and his stay in Chicago.

It is what it is!

Pierre LeBrun is tweeting that there are a multitude of calls to Bergevin regarding Subban.

Back to my Malkin for Subban idea from last thread....

Getting someone back like Backlund is doable along with the picks. If that were the case, it frees money to keep Shaw.
- z1990z

Up the middle you're looking at Toews-Anisimov-Backlund-Kruger .. Pretty solid C lineup IMO.

Pretty strong faceoff guy and can slide up to 2C. Good PK guy. Can get 35-45 pts/year.

It is what it is!


- walleyeb1

There's NO way the team changes nothing this off-season but adds kids.

No way.

If they re-sign Shaw and are squeezed, they'll find a way to ink veterans at a very minimal cost (a la 2010 when they signed Brunette, O'Donnell, etc.)

They're not going to go into the season with four rookies in their every-day lineup. There are way too many questions in that lineup.

Eklund wrote that the price for MAF is too high for Calgary. Will they take a number on Crawford? That proposed deal yesterday would work. Would free about $3M in cap.
- 93Joe

No Joe, that report originated I believe at Sportsnet that Rutherford asked for their 6th...... That's why I believe it.

Pierre LeBrun is tweeting that there are a multitude of calls to Bergevin regarding Subban.

Back to my Malkin for Subban idea from last thread....
- CanOCorn

I'd take Subban over Malkin for the 'Hawks.

It is what it is!


- walleyeb1

You have to split Kane and Panarin up. 19 needs a finisher on his line. Maybe you have: 14 19 88
72 15 81 or possibly 65 here if he stays. I still think 81 gets a long look on the first or second line to see where he is at. If not, then use 81 with Kruger to make a fantastic shut down line. Leave 72 with 15 in the off chance there is a language issue. If Backlund came back on a CC deal, then he adds another C to the mix.

Not the worst I could come up with in 20 minutes

sans profanity.
- the_dough_boy

Then what happens when we have to re-up 72?

Wideman will have trouble finding a new team...There was no excuse for the hit on the linesman and then he basically lied about it...Not coming here.
- Al

Who's his agent, Tom Lysiak?

If and when you do can you please post? Not sure how the Wings can move Datsyuk's contract when he went back to the motherland when the Hawks couldn't if Hossa did the same........ Did they they sign them at different ages?
- Mr Ricochet

In Datsyuk's case, a team that needs to reach the cap floor could consider taking it on. Especially if Detroit retains some salary and/or sweetens the deal. Datsyuk did sign at age 35, which means the contact cannot be bought out and retirement can't take it off of the books.

As for the cap recapture. It's going to take a lawyer to untangle to wording in the CBA. It's in section 50.5(d)(i) (Page 261) The fun stuff starts on page 267 with examples.

It looks like the cap hit will stay with the team who had the advantage. In the case of Hossa, his contract does not have any cap circumventing years left, which means that a team trading for him wouldn't have to risk him retiring.

The only stipulation about letting teams off of the hook, was that if the player was traded before the CBA was ratified, in which cases the team who traded the player would not be penalized by recapture.

Then again, I may be wrong...

Why?
- Mr Ricochet

Because it is not front loaded.

I wish I knew. The league and GMs voted it in though.
- JRoenick97

If this were a constitutional issue it would be called EX POST FACTO. Unfortunately, the NHL always finds ways to hurt its own brand. This is one example, along with this ultra-rigid cap.

That said, I would not be surprised that at some point Hossa's back puts him on LTIR for a year or two.

I find it ludicrous that the NHL comes up with this recapture penalty retroactively, hence EX POST FACTO, yet Nathan Horton, Marc Savard and now probably this year Pavel Datsyuk, can be traded when they will not play one second of hockey for that team, and just so the low salary and high cap hit helps a team get to the cap floor in a disingenuous manner.

Don't let me forget HOF'er Chris Pronger, who was traded from Philly to Phoenix so the cap hit could be given to the Coyotes and they rise above the cap floor. Not only that but he was given a job in the Player Safety Department while still an active player (LTIR) and his cap hit is still there. Also, notice the abbreviation before his name (HOF). He still has a cap hit as an active player and he is in the HALL OF FAME!!!

No reason to believe in a lack of integrity by the NHL there, yet the Hossa contract is an egregious breach of the rules. Gotta love Bettman!

Pierre LeBrun is tweeting that there are a multitude of calls to Bergevin regarding Subban.

Back to my Malkin for Subban idea from last thread....
- CanOCorn

How would Malkin like playing under Michel Therrien again?

Who's his agent, Tom Lysiak?
- Mr Ricochet

Skypoint!

But the one year deals would have to be replaced as well if they are gone. There wouldn't be room to sign Panarin next year.
- carcus

IF there is one thing I've found to ring pretty true it is worry about next year, next year. Especially with how little time left this core has they have to go for it.

Looking like the Bulls may trade D Rose (to NY) before the Hawks trade anyone today!

IF there is one thing I've found to ring pretty true it is worry about next year, next year. Especially with how little time left this core has they have to go for it.
- the_dough_boy

In regards to the core and how important Shaw is to this team.. I would totally understand Shaw leaving to get his big payday. That guy is like movie material stuff. Gets passed over in the draft what, twice? End up with the Hawks. Comes up from Rockford to be a vital part of two Cup winning teams. Thats good stuff.
He plays the game at 150 mph and is an emotional fire plug. Go get paid Mr. Shaw before your body wears out. You will always have a fan here.

No Joe, that report originated I believe at Sportsnet that Rutherford asked for their 6th...... That's why I believe it.
- Mr Ricochet

My mistake Mr. R. I meant the deal for Bishop. Then today I read the MAF info. Idk why but I was thinking maybe they offered the same package for MAF as they did Bishop. Not a terrible deal for the Hawks IMO... If it is or was ever offered.